A few comments for you are in order.
Drew comments that Hayworth and other persons of Italian and Spanish ancestry are “pure whites.” Hogwash. The peoples of Southern Europe, including Spain, Sicily, Portugal, and Italy, have a large admixture of Jewish, Moorish, Carthaginiian and other non-European blood as a result of large-scale miscegnation, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if quite a few of your Aryan goddesses–including Hayworth and Selma Hayek, among many others–carry a portion of the Jewish “baccilus,” as Ranting Rob put it so elegantly on this website.
By the way, you keep stupidly insisting that I am purveying some sort of crypto-Marxism in my arguments to advance some putatiive “Talmudic” agenda. I am quite familiar with Marxist philosophy and reject its economic determinism, just as I reject the pseudo-scientific racial determinism concocted by Gobineau, Chamberlian, and lesser crackpots in the twentieth century. The Talmud, moreover, never “filtered down” to me on the street; I am quite capable of formulating my own ideas without resorting to either religious tracts or to primitive Social Darwinist pseudo-science and crackpot Jungian ideas on the nature of the “collective Jewish psyche,” My etbnic descent, contrary to your absurd racist preconceptions, does not predetermine my line of reasoning in any manner whatsoever, just as Teuitonic origin does not precondition anyone to believe in Asatru or similar neo-pagan nonsense.
It never fails to amaze me, furthermore, how white nationalists ascribe to Jews the very sins that so-called white Eruopids have committed en masse over the past millenia in every part of the world, i.e. an insensate lust for conquest, enslavement, plunder, rapine and mass extinction of native peoples. Start with the Aryan invasion of India around 1500 BC and work forward to colonization of Africa, Central and East Asis, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, and the Pacific Islands. Of course, all this was done in the name of civilizational progress and religious enlightenment, and therefore quite understandable, if not totally free of countless millions of innocent victims.
And, by the way, Drew, as I pointed out previously, the Jews have been proved by DNA studies to be most closely related to the KURDS–an Indo-European people, no less white than any European strain. There is no evidence that I am aware of that links Jews genetically to “Mongols,” and their genotype betrays very littel influence of so-called Khazar or Turkic ancestry in the vast majority of Jewish kinship lines. Why don’t you conduct a modicum of research befroe shooting off your mouth on a subject in which you are clearly out of your depth?.
Jeunose, I haven’t the foggiest notion what you mean by asserting I am vainly seeking “Abraham’s blood.” Do you mean to claim in your subgrade moron fashion that i claim ancestry back to the biblical patriarch Abraham and therefore want to create an Israeli empire stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates? No, I don’t suffer from such delusions, unlike genocidal Nazs whom you admire who sought Lebensraum in Eastern Europe on the grounds that their Nordic ancestors had populated thsoe lands in past eons.
Squirm and equvocate as you may, none of you have been able to formulate a coherent philosophy of white nationalism and the sound biological (as opposed to Boazian) criteria on which it is supposely based. To refresh the memory of the many of you with short attention spans and even less reasoning capacity, can you put forward a halfway solution to any of these problems that will ineluctably face the creators of the future white Volksgemenischaft:
1. What degree of admisture disqualifies an individual from living and breeding therein? One-half, one-quarter, one-eighth, or less?
2. What guidelines will be adopted for this culing–updated Nuremberg Laws, the South African apartheid rules, the Southern “one-drop” Jim Crow order, or some other arbitary system?
3. Assuming that you reach consensus on such a racial classification system, how will you go about implementing it–throguh universal genetic testing?
3. Will “mischlings” of passably white phenotype (e.g. Paul Newman, James Caan, jane Seymour, etc.) be tolerated and allowed to sire progeny? If not, what will be there fate–sterilization, expulsion, segregation?
4. If an individual is found to have no objectionable (e.g. Jewish, amerind, bantu, Mestizo) admixture but may have a genetic defect (eg. Goebbels’s clubfoot) or disagreeable physiognomy (eg. Himmler, Goebbels, Franco, etc.), will they be allowed to breed with Aryan Volksgenossen?
5. If an individual is found eligible to join the Volksgemeinschaft but admits having carnal relations with non-Aryans (I’m thinking here of the countless German and Scandanavians perverts who patronize the sex trade in Thailand, for example), or has a racially impure spouse and children, what is to happen with the entire family?
6. If an entire country (e.g. Denmark, Finland, and Bulgaria during WW II, or the Italian Army that protected Jews in its occuptation zone) shelters Jews or other genetic aliens in its territory, would you sanction invasion of those countries and punishment of the misguided gentiles who protect their genetically challenged compatriots?
7. Lastly, if any of you (including Jeunose and Drew) are found to carry any alien genes, no matter how few, are you going to be virle and consistent enough to refraim from polluting the bloodstream of your Volk? Remember the sacred credo: “Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz”. Surely you will place the genetic integrity of your Volk before your own selfish pleasure in sexual dalliance, nicht wahr?

You can dismiss these matters as “Talmudic” hairsplitting if you want, but refusal to face them squarely bespeaks either cowardice (fear of revealing your own possible genetic inferioirty to your Volksgenossen) or a complete lack of intellectual faculties, as manifested in the Nazi saying “Think with your blood.” I’m afraid that is the primitive level on which the great majority of who operate.
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Will Mr. Stern read it? I think we all know the answer…

http://www.scribd.com/doc/25873220/Judaism-Discovered

Yes, you are correct–part of Rita Hayworth’s family was from Mexico, but they were not Mestizo. They, like many of the more prosperous families in Mexico today, are still entirely European White. Rita came from one of those families, just like my sister-in-law, who is also very beautiful. And you are also correct–European Spanish and Italian women tend to be more ‘hairy’ than, say, Swedish women. So what?

I never said you were a “Polish Jew”. If, in fact, your real name is Joel Stern, you are, in all probability, an Ashkenazi Jew, whose family came from somewhere in Eastern Europe–either Poland, Russia, or the Ukraine. Which one is it? It wouldn’t matter because there is little difference, genetically, culturally, or philosophically between any of them. So Heinrich Graetz’s quote would apply to you, regardless of the literal geographical boundaries that we White people have ‘arbitrarily’ imposed upon the map of Europe.

The genetic differences between an Ashkenazi Jew in Poland and a Jew in Russia, or a Jew in America for that matter, is negligible. An Ashkenazi Jew in America has much more genetically in common with the Jews in Poland than they do with any White European person in America or Europe. That’s a fact. My source for this information is Jews themselves, not “Aryan anti-semites.”

So you think the Jewish historian, Heinrich Graetz, is an ‘anti-semite’ simply because he dared to write something unflattering about Jews? The Talmud would call him a self-hating Jew, a betrayer who deserved to be killed. Unfortunately, Graetz to this day is still respected by Jewish historians and not considered an ‘anti-semite’ Regardless of what particular Ashkenazi ancestry you come from, Graetz’s quote still applies to you, as your predicable response clearly elucidates.

And it doesn’t matter whether you’ve read The Talmud or not, as far as your psychological disposition goes. Most Jews have never read it, and yet the ideas, attitudes, and world-view therein have gotten filtered down to even the street level, non-religious Jews.

That’s why I suggested you read Michael A. Hoffman’s “Judaism Discovered,” which is the only book ever banned from sale on Amazon. Yes, you can buy “Mein Kampf” or “The Turner Diaries,” but because some powerful rabbi complained about the book, Amazon pulled it. The rabbi was not worried that ‘anti-semetic’ Gentiles will read it–they are worried that non-religious Jews, like yourself, will find out what horrors have been unleashed on the world in their name.

For example, here’s a Talmudic inspired quote from Karl Marx, the son of a rabbi, who claimed to have renounced Judaism. Yet clearly he didn’t renounce being Jewish or renounce the Kabbalistic plan for Jewish world domination, using Marxism as a primary weapon:

“The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races…and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order the Children of Israel…will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition…”

–Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, quoted in “Review de Paris,” June 1, 1928, p. 574

These khazars are crazy!! LOL

I was amused to re-read your bilge of March 18 in which you disparaged the “mediocre” beauty of Scarlett Johannsen and Gwyneth Paltrow as compared to the “pure white” beauties like Grace Kelly, Rith Hayworth, Cherlize Theron, etc.
You are aware, of course, that many of your so-called pure white beauties like Marylyn Monroe had plastic surgery to conform to absurd Hollywood standards? Rita Hawyorth (originally Rita Cansino) was a swarthy and hairy Mexican-looking girl who underwent a complete cosmetic transformamtion. Kim Basinger is part-Amerind. I’m sure a more thorough investigation into the lineage of other of your Hollywood goddesses would reveal quite a few suspect genes as well.
I’ll stick with Johannsen; she’s good enough for normal men, if not for the crackpots populating this website.

I’m not a Polish Jew nor have I ever read the Talmud, so your charges cribbed from a myth-rideen anti-semitic screed from 1891 don’t apply to me in the least.

The original questions I posed remain unanswered, and all your equivocations, shilly-shallying, and other twisting and turning cannot obscure the fundamental truth of the matter. You speak of simple honesty and truthfulness but lack the iintegrity to admit what is patently obvious: the white nationalist credo that you and the other bloggers espouse on this and similar venues is intellectually bankrupt. You can’t even formulate a coherent set of criteria for determing what consituttes a “white,” let alone develop any viable mechanism for implmenting them–unless you accept William Pierce’s apocalyptic scenario of nuking areas predominately settled by non-European peoples. Unfortunately, mass nuclear warfare would irredeemiably poison your own gene pool, which is already severely compromised by centuries-long miscegnation with other breeds.
I’m still waiting for the set of criteria to determine eligibility for membership in the whiite nationalist Volkgemeinschaft. Will an Aryan phenotype be the desideratum? Then such Noridc-looking half-Jews as Alicia Silverstrone, Paul Newman, Scarlett Johannssen, and Gwyneth Paltrow may slip in under your radar, and degenerates like Goebbels, Streicher, and Goering will be culled. If, on the other hand, you institute widespread genetic testing, what ARE you going to do with the countless millions of the genitically flawed who fail to meet your arbitary criteria? Expulsion, segregation, sterilization, imprisonment, mass murder?
If you consider these questions “Talmudic”: and unworthy of serious consideration, that is simply a relfection of your own intellectual inability to formulate a coherent reply, apart from citing passages from the scribblings of racist mountebanks.

I find it amusing that you compare yourself to Socrates. If you were a little more self-aware you’d been comparing your form of argumentation to the ‘learned’ rabbis in the Talmud. You engage in intellectual hairsplitting, which, as Martin Luther pointed out, is the foundation of the Talmudic deconstructive mindset. There can never be an end to it, because it has the potential to reduce everything to meaninglessness. Once you go down that road, nothing can stop it from crushing every human thought into absurdity, as Bill Clinton demonstrated on the witness stand when he asked the prosecutor to explain what he meant by “is”. That’s textbook Talmud. That was never the intention of the Socratic Method.

You try to build yourself as the only one here who consults reputable researchers in the fields of genetics and ethnography, yet you fail to recognize that those fields of study are highly politicized, and since the end of WWII have been dominated by Marxist/Jewish ideologues, such as Franz Boas and all of this politically correct worshippers and intellectual descendants.

Simply put, any academician who does not toe that Marxist party line can forget about getting a PhD and being published. And for you to somehow suggest that research coming out of those ideologically biased boot camps, aka “universities”, is somehow more reliable or accurate is simply absurd, and self-serving.

You’re viewpoints on race and ethnicity are completely 100% Kosher approved, and I’m sure you’d have no trouble finding a publishing house that would love to hear what you have to say.

I would strongly suggest you read Michael A. Hoffman’s excellent book, “Judaism Discovered,” which will help you see how you are unwittingly regurgatating the self-destructive age-old Talmudic mind games. This recommendation comes out of compassion, not hate.

But don’t take my word for it–read these profound words by the eminent Jewish historian, Heinrich Graetz:

“To twist a phrase out of its meaning, to use all the tricks of the clever advocate, to play upon words, and to condemn what they did not know. . . such were the characteristics of the Polish Jew. . . Honesty and right thinking he lost as completely as simplicity and truthfulness. He made himself master of all the gymnastics of the Schools and applied them to obtain advantage over any one less cunning than himself. He took a delight in cheating and overreaching, which gave him a sort of joy of victory. But his own people he could not treat in this way: they were as knowing as he. It was the non-Jew who, to his loss, felt the consequences of the Talmudically trained mind of the Polish Jew.”

–from “History of the Jews from the Earliest Times to the Present Day,” 1891

I suppose that you are right in a way: I am a “provocatuer” in that I am trying to provoke the less otiose among you to engage in critical thinking instead of mouthing empty platitudes that have little or no grounding in reality.
Socrates who similarly condemned as a provocative and subversive by the smug citziens of Athens who sentenced him to death for questioning untenable verities.
It is not I who am playing games, but rather the mindless fools on this and other racially oriented blogs who clamor incessantly for a “judenrein” white homeland without having formulated the sound scientific criteria–and the means for implementing them–that would be necessary for dtermining precisely who is to populate and breed there. If you and John of UK regard the Nazis and their epigones lke Wiliam Pierce, Don Black, Tom Metzer, K.A. Strom, as radicals, and thus reject the Nuremberg Laws as a guideline for your future Heimat, whose ideals will you be following? Theodore Bilbo of the Jim Crow era in the U.S.? Henrik Voerward of South Africa? Or are you going to concoct some new racial theory out of whole cloth?

Would you mind citing those “passably coherent” replies to my questions? Apart from seeing an endless repetition of moronic stereotypes about the collective Jewish psyche and other pseudo-scientific manure, I have yet to find here a halfway exposition of the genetic criteria on which white nationalists plan to build their future white Heimat.
Are you just going to accept into your racial utopia everyone who has a suitably white appearance, without thoroughly vetting their lineage back to several generations by means of genetic testing? Then I’m afraid you will be missing countless millions of crypto-Jews (Bantus, Amerinds, Turks, etc.) with whom European colonizers and their descendants have been miscegenating for many centuries. While that prospect doesn’t appear to bother you, I imagine it will be extremely disturbing to the more fastidious white nationalists such as Nordicist Richard McCullough.

These issues were already clearly addressed by several of the posters here. If you think you haven’t received a passably coherent reply, the confusion is all yours. Maybe you should just reread the thread and stop wasting people’s time. You’re an obvious provocateur simply trying to get a rise out of someone by playing games.