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The Stark Truth: The EDL, Muslims, and More on Feminist Decay

March 9, 2011

EDL Street Protest

Robert Stark & Mike Conner discuss:

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30 Responses to “The Stark Truth: The EDL, Muslims, and More on Feminist Decay”

  1. A German on March 12th, 2011 2:46 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn4cHm_h0mw

    Mike it totally gives me a pleasure to see that we two agree 100%
    - EDL – WINNING!
    - Zionism – WINNING!
    - Muzzie Question – WINNING!
    - uniforms and swastika in America – WINNING!
    - “feminism” – WINNING!
    - dating – WINNING!

    So we’re not bi-WINNING! but hexa-WINNING! ;-)

    Yes, the EDL is totally delusioned. Sometimes it seems they fight more for Israel than for England. Even if they just use the Jews as figleaf it’s simply disgusting. They’re maniac about the need to love the Jew. But what they, as other jew slave right wing parties, will never understand, the left will call them “eeevil Natzis” anyways and the Jews will go on to hate these Goyim, even if they pretend to be their “friends” and being anxious for Europe.

    Mike you said the BNP is not yet on this path, I agree but there are tendencies to move in this direction.
    For example, Darby and Kemp try to move the party in this direction and said that the Jewish issue is a non-issue and a “conspiracy theory”. And even Griffin on a recent Jim Giles broadcast said that one cannot blame the Jews for Communism, Bolshevism, 66 million dead in Russia and Eastern Europe, immigration-invasion etc.
    For him these are just “bad Jewish individuals”.
    And on one party meeting of the BNP I saw an idiot child with a T-shirt, on which a crossed out swastika was depicted.
    Saying that they, the BNP, are the real anti-fascists.
    Some of these people really go crazy paths and ridicule themselves. They’re really maniac about proving not being an “eeevil Natzi”.

    And for MCP, as you Mike I greatly admire him.
    He’s a brilliant mind and I love his way to speak.
    But on the Muzzie issue he’s totally out of touch.
    He does simply not understand what Muzzies do every day in every European country.
    When you tell him what horrible crimes they commit to Whites and that almost all European prisons are filled 80-90% with Muzzies and that in all big cities 90% of the rapists are Muzzies, you just get a laconic “OH THEM MOOZLUMS!” from him.
    There he’s totally stubborn.

    He also doesn’t understand the deeper layer of the Muzzie conflict.
    He doesn’t understand that religion is just the surface, the thing the Muzzies use to legitimize their crimes.
    In the core it’s the brown race who wants to destroy, or at least conquer, the white race!
    The religion they just use as an ideology, building mosques demonstrate their power and claim of soil.

    So the Muzzies in Europe are exactly what the Chupacabras are in America: Brown people who go after white people.
    In Europe they just use a religious cover.

    Why do you think, when the riots happened in France, the “youths”=black and brown Muzzies said straight into the tv cameras: “We kill everything which is white!”

    Because it’s no religious conflict, but a race war!

    I fear MCP will never understand that.

    So my credo will always be: No JEW! No Muzzie! Just right.

    And for uniforms and swastikas in America, you’re also totally right Mike. To use a swastika in America makes absolutely no sense, because it is branded in the sheeples’ minds as sign of “evil”.
    I think they despise it even more than the Satanic pentragram.
    And that’s kinda ironic, because the swastika and the pentagram have a similar evolution.
    First the pentagram was a Christian symbol, symbolizing the five wounds of Christ and later it became a sign for satanism.
    Same with the swastika, first a sign of Aryan awakening and now stigmatized as a sign of “evil”.

    But besides that, I think Commander Rockwell was the greatest American! HE walked the walk! HE dared it, HE risked all.
    And he was a great orator.

    For Libya and Gadafi:
    Mike, I totally hate this guy!
    This Meth-faced alcoholic said 2-3 years ago:
    “Allah has granted us a great victory, without weapons, we don’t need terrorism. In 3 generations Europe will be a Muslim continent.”
    For that alone we should have poped him out with snipers.
    And for killing Whites in Lockerbie and Berlin.
    So this running Muzzie dog can go to hell in my opinion.

    But unfortunately I think he will stay.
    He has tanks, jets and other modern weapons and tons of money to buy Negroes to do the dirty job,
    The rebels just have old rifles and weapons they capture.
    So I think he will prevail at the end.

    I loved the “chauvinistic” “sexist” part at the end!
    I call it MANLY and NATURAL!
    But I wonder what Carolyn has to say about that. ;-)

    P.S. Mike can you do anything about the volume of the intro music of ALL shows? It really drones and my ears almost fall off.

  2. Luke on March 12th, 2011 6:15 am

    I agree wholeheartedly with The German, regarding the obsession that Michael Collins Piper has about constantly kissing up to Muslims. However, I will say that it is a huge stretch to continue to shower undeserved praise on MCP – this man, per The German – has a ‘brilliant mind’? Well, let me ask everyone a very important and insightful question. This question will require us all to physically engage our brains and actually do some heavy thinking, okay? Ready?

    Over the last decade, since the Israeli-Mossad/CIA false flag event of 9-11, we all have seen the relentless efforts by the jews who occupy all the major choke points in our government to demonize and to create the impression in the public’s mind that patriot and white nationalist groups or organizations are just as dangerous as those already heavily demonized Muslims and Islamic radicals, right? Anyone who votes for the Constitution Party, anyone who supports the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, anyone who correctly see’s the government as the biggest enemy and biggest threat to our precious liberties and freedom, anyone who opposes fighting endless wars for jews around the world, anyone who resists the idea that Whites should stand idly by and allow hundreds of millions of third world non-white aliens to flood into their nation and displace them, anyone who basically opposes any part of the jewish agenda – these are the people who our Zionist Occupied Government have been constantly trying to demonize and insinuate are connected at the hip with these Muslim and Islamic terrorists. Endless ‘advisories’ and ‘special reports’ are being written by the anti-white racist jews at the SPLC and ADL, passed along to the Homeland Security/KGB Department that are then released which seek to demonize these patriots and white nationalists and anyone else who is awake to the evil jewish agenda, right? So, along comes Michael Collins Piper – a well known figure and voice in the American patriot movement – but, not really what anyone would call a white nationalist, per se. MCP starts his pro-Muslim tirades, using his radio program to try to convince his mostly white listeners that – hey – we need to form an alliance with these Muslims, because after all, they are fighting the jews, too!

    Question: Would it not be the biggest wet dream that ZOG could ever hope to experience, for patriots and white nationalists to take MCP’s advice? Would patriots and white nationalists not be playing right into the hands of ZOG – giving them the very sword they desperately need to prove their dream-come-true guilt-by-association connection? Hey, I can even envision the Homeland Security/KGB Department arming those drones and sending them out with missiles to be fired at buildings or other meeting places where white nationalists and patriot groups have gathered for meetings or conferences. Or, as they’ve been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, using predator drones to fire missiles at cars or vans or SUVs driving down the road – with ‘suspected’ domestic terrorists inside them. No trial, no probable cause, no evidence needed – just a jewish ‘hunch’ and presto! You get vaporized! So, let me ask The German and anyone else who clings to the idea that MCP has a ‘brilliant mind’. Does this effort by MCP to snooker white nationalists and patriots into forming alliances with Muslims sound like the product of a ‘brilliant’ tactical thinker?

    I think not. And, either MCP is amateurishly naive and dangerously short sighted – or else there is some other motivation for his sloppy behavior, and this possibility carries with it some pretty unsavory thought patterns.

  3. johnUK on March 12th, 2011 11:52 am

    We have already allied with the Muslims and always supported them since 79 against Christians especially Pan Turkish fascism from the Balkans to China so the US/British empire can control the Eurasian energy sphere.

    MCP is right in regards to the Muslim threat that it is completely phoney given the fact that the main financiers of international terrorism are billionaire individuals linked to the establishment like the Saudis and the other Gulf states like Qatar.

    Most if not all of the terrorist attacks that do not turn out to be phoney in the US and Europe have a Balkan connection like the latest incident in Frankfurt.

    In Germany the domestic BND intelligence working with Turkish intelligence allowed Germans of Turkish descent to be recruited from Mosques and Universities to fight there proxy wars starting in Bosnia.

    And now like here in Britain they have a problem with their native Muslim population which they helped ferment and support. Boo hoo!

    @A German

    German TV documentary in 98 couple of years said that the Berlin disco bombing was a Mossad and US were behind the 86 Berlin disco bombing and we know from Mossad defector Victor Ostrovsky that Mossad faked the communications traffic coming out of Libya that implemented them in the attack.

    http://100777.com/node/101

    With the case of Lockerbie there is serious doubts that Libya was behind the bombing.

    “Evidence used against Abdelbaset Ali Mohamed al-Megrahi, the Libyan convicted of the Lockerbie bombing, was subject to deliberate destruction and manipulation for political reasons, according to leaked documents from his defence team. The allegations suggest authorities on both sides of the Atlantic attempted to mislead the original inquiry into the 1988 disaster to divert attention away from the original Iranian-backed suspects to Libya, with evidence apparently tampered with, destroyed and overlooked. In a decision that could send shockwaves through the Scottish legal system, the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) is expected to conclude this week that the conviction of Megrahi – jailed in 2001 for his part in the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 which killed 270 people – is unsafe. Amid claims from his defence team of a ‘co-ordinated effort to mislead the court’, tantamount to a perversion of the course of justice, the SCCRC is studying hundreds of documents and photographs that suggest evidence was deliberately fabricated, manipulated or ignored by police and CIA operatives. Should Megrahi’s case be referred back to the appeal court, his legal team intends to lodge an application for him to be freed while the court decides whether to quash his conviction or order a retrial. Megrahi’s team believes the evidence was manipulated to avoid antagonising Iran at the time of the first Gulf War. Tam Dalyell, a long-term Lockerbie campaigner, last night said the SCCRC report should be made public, followed by a public inquiry.”
    Lockerbie evidence ‘was tampered with, destroyed and overlooked’

    http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=989552007

    “A senior Scottish police officer, now retired, claims that American intelligence agents planted one of the fragments of the cassette-player in order to implicate the Libyans. Doubts have been cast on the reliability of an expert forensic scientist who gave evidence about the detonating of the bomb — three other convictions in which he gave testimony have been quashed. And it now seems that tests on the suitcase may have been misrepresented to the court. All this might easily be dismissed as the conspiracy fog that tends to gather around cases of this kind. Except that last weekend Lord Fraser himself, who was in charge of the Crown evidence, suggested that he too had begun to have doubts. In an interview with The Sunday Times he said that the Maltese shopkeeper, Tony Gauci, whose identification of the two Libyans was central to the prosecution case, might not have been a reliable witness…. Gauci’s evidence was critical in linking al-Megrahi to the attack. Without it, al-Megrahi would certainly have walked free. Lord Fraser’s remarks have been described as ‘an extraordinary development’ by Tam Dalyell, who was a key figure throughout the investigation. Senior legal experts in Scotland have expressed amazement at his comments. And William Taylor QC, al-Megrahi’s defence advocate, has called for a review of the case….Does any of this matter now, so many years after the event? After all, there have been no noticeable protests from the Libyan Government. So long as al-Megrahi is allowed to serve the rest of his sentence in Libya, rather than in Scotland, it is unlikely to want to resurrect a case that could undermine its newly established relationship with the West.”
    It’s time to look again at Lockerbie

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1062-1843063,00.html

  4. Carolyn on March 12th, 2011 6:05 pm

    @German,

    Thanks for thinking of me. You wrote:

    “I loved the “chauvinistic” “sexist” part at the end!
    I call it MANLY and NATURAL!
    But I wonder what Carolyn has to say about that. ;-)”

    Oh, it’s not a topic I’m too concerned about, but I thought Mike made sense. But speaking of ‘manly’ traits, I like what you said here:

    “I think Commander Rockwell was the greatest American! HE walked the walk! HE dared it, HE risked all.
    And he was a great orator.”

    Rockwell wore a uniform and made it work! That’s because he was authentic, the real deal. And quite a man. The women loved him … hundreds wanted to sleep with him! It was the same with Adolf Hitler. So guys, don’t be too quick to dismiss uniforms … but it depends on who’s wearing it. Haha ….

    BTW, I thought it was a real good program. I find Luke’s comments interesting too.

  5. Carolyn on March 12th, 2011 6:24 pm

    @Luke,

    I think your last paragraph is wrongly stated. Mike Piper is just being Mike Piper. He never was a “white nationalist.” He’s been a nationalist and a populist in the past. In today’s United States of America, populism means something different than it did in the 1950′s. Nationalism is also not the same. I think Mike Piper is simply seeing nationalism and populism in today’s environment, and accepting what that is.

    We don’t accept it that way. That’s the difference.

    He’s also promoting something he calls International Nationalism. Does that sound helpful?

  6. A German on March 12th, 2011 9:28 pm

    Here we go again!
    johnUK[flame deleted] spreading occidentphobe propaganda again!
    Lad do you have no soul?
    ” the Muslim threat that it is completely phoney”
    YOU live allledgedly in Britain, YOU know what Muzzies are doing to our people every FKN day!

    But you can only repeat this ***** again and again.
    Telling the people of “a Western conspiracy” and smearing your own homland!
    If you love the Soviet Union so much, why then you don’t move there? Or better, move to North Korea!
    Then you are secure and have not to fear “eeevil Western conspiracies”. Especially not from Germany.

    You [flame deleted]!

  7. A German on March 12th, 2011 9:31 pm

    johnUK[flame deleted] judging for your lingu and reapeating “the eeevil Western conspiracy” again and again,
    I think you’re an RT troll sitting in Moscow and spreading NeoSovietism.

    At least be a man and confess it towaritsh!

  8. A German on March 12th, 2011 9:35 pm

    In North Korea you can also worship Stalin openly johnUK[flame deleted]!
    And additionally kiss the beloved leader’s arse.

  9. Chris on March 13th, 2011 1:56 am

    The women loved him … hundreds wanted to sleep with him! It was the same with Adolf Hitler.

    So we should get into white nationalism in order to get laid?

  10. Carolyn on March 13th, 2011 11:44 am

    Oh Chris, you are always such a dud and show no imagination whatsoever. You are the “picky” sort, too.

    Both Rockwell and Hitler demonstrated great imagination, charisma and leadership. Naturally women are attracted to that. Nature has deemed it to be that way; it aids and abets evolution of the species of the best kind

    We need more men like that — not to criticize them.

    But, of course, you are trying to criticize ME … again.

    Why don’t you answer your own question as to why anyone should “get into white nationalism.” And you might also try to define it.

  11. Carolyn on March 13th, 2011 12:48 pm

    http://www.ejpress.org/article/49527#addCommentary

    In Paris, Muslim and Jewish leaders pledge to stand together against the rise of extreme-rightist parties

    Quote:
    Citing studies which show that anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are both growing rapidly in countries across Europe, the communal leaders affirmed that “Jews and Muslims are equal stakeholders in Europe, not expendable guests, and must therefore enjoy the same rights as everybody else. Appeasing those that sow the seeds of hatred and division is not only morally wrong, but will have disastrous consequences for Europe if allowed to continue.”

    “If Europe wants to remain true to its ethical and spiritual foundations, it must embrace people from different cultures, religions and ways of life. If not, it will not only fail as a concept, it will lose its soul,” said FFEU President and World Jewish Congress Vice President Rabbi Marc Schneier.

    My comment: “Jews and Muslims are equal stakeholders in Europe, not expendable guests,” This is exactly where the battle must be fought, in the U.S. and Canada similarly. If anyone is not up to this battle but thinks they can find a more peaceful way to solve it; or just wants to talk, talk, talk until they go to their grave and don’t have to face it any longer, they are worthless and ought to be exposed as such.

    Arguing about uniforms is part of the cop-out. Stand up as a real man or shut up about being one.

  12. misterfox on March 13th, 2011 1:17 pm

    I wish to congratulate you two for keeping a grip on reality. As I said last week there are old-fashioned Jews influential in Europe and waging race war on Europeans but they are stupid and forget that Muslims hate them more than they do us. These fools are bringing about the ultimate demise of Israel because if Europe falls Israel will be surrounded by hostile states through the European-Mediterranean Partnership which was driven by people of Jewish origin like Sarkozy and David Milliband. This same myopia governs their war on America and will yield the same result as Israel can not do without you.

    http://www.eeas.europa.eu/euromed/index_en.htm
    http://www.ejpress.org/article/49527#addCommentary

    There is more on the sabotage of the BNP from within

    http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/guest-writers/760-this-honourable-and-noble-cause-part-1-state-interference-in-lawful-political-parties

  13. misterfox on March 13th, 2011 1:49 pm

    I’m afraid that last link was censored. There a lot of people masquerading as nationalists who hold us back. I’m sure there are plenty of blind alley’s in the States.

    http://sarahmaidofalbion.blogspot.com/2011/03/this-honourable-and-noble-cause-part1.html

  14. A German on March 13th, 2011 7:01 pm

    Carolyn: “In Paris, Muslim and Jewish leaders pledge to stand together against the rise of extreme-rightist parties”

    Here too Carol!
    Here the new president of the Jewish central council in Germany aka the German ADL, Graumann,
    now also supports the Muzzies and says:
    “Islam is part of Germany!” after one new conservative minister dared to object president Turk-Wulff’s loony statement that Islam is part of Germany.
    The new minister said. “The Islam is no part of Germany historically!”

    And now the uber-Jew Graumann defended the Muzzie organisations and Islam with his statement.

    That’s how the Jew goes.
    He supports everything which undermines Goy states and desolves Europe’s fatherlands and nations.

    That’s simply his eternal nature.

  15. Carolyn on March 13th, 2011 7:17 pm

    Re: The Occidental Observer article about the English Defense League you linked to in your “topics.”

    I found a better one there: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/03/whites-do-not-have-the-right/
    This is the first article by Alex Kurtagic I fully agree with. Everyone needs to understand: Force/power is the only thing that carries the day. Good will and good intentions never count in the end.

  16. johnUK on March 13th, 2011 11:37 pm

    @A [flame deleted] German

    YAWN!!! Conspiracy fact not theory gatekeeper.

    In 1997, it will be reported that the German parliament’s Control Commission, which oversees Germany’s intelligence services, is investigating media allegations that the BND German intelligence agency covertly and illegally armed the Bosnian Muslims and Croats during the Bosnian war. The BND allegedly infiltrated the European Union’s monitoring missions that were supposed to help arrange ceasefires and assist with humanitarian aid. The Germans used that cover to smuggle weapons and money to Bosnian Muslims. In one instance, Christoph von Bezold, head of the German EU monitors in Zagreb, Croatia, was allegedly actually a BND agent and on March 27, 1994, he shipped munitions across enemy lines to the Bosnian Muslim controlled pocket of Bihac, Bosnia, in boxes supposedly containing powdered milk. Apparently this was just one of many such shipments using EU monitors as cover.

    http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?complete_911_timeline_al_qaeda_by_region=balkans&timeline=complete_911_timeline

    As for your boring, gibberish remarks about Communism, Stalin and North Korea.

    LENIN AND GERMAN ASSISTANCE FOR THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION

    http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_03.htm

    In North Korea you can also worship Stalin openly johnUKommunist!
    And additionally kiss the beloved leader’s arse.

    Unlike you apparently I haven’t visited North Korea so I wouldn’t know

    You can go to Bosnia, Kosovo, etc and worship your Muslim god.

    Seems your Albanian friends are taking a dislike to US military presence in Germany.

    http://moderntokyotimes.com/2011/03/06/frankfurt-airport-jihad-who-is-to-blame/

    think you’re an RT troll sitting in Moscow and spreading NeoSovietism.

    Neo-Sovietism is your field with your Trotskyite Neocon agenda trolling and sitting at the offices of the Heritage and Jamestown Foundation and AEI.

    I would comment on your other remarks but they are just drivel.

    @Mike Connor

    What happened to the rule you laid out? [I deleted the flames (name calling) of both of you on this thread. -Mike]

  17. Mike Conner on March 13th, 2011 11:41 pm

    Carolyn wrote:

    Rockwell wore a uniform and made it work!

    Arguing about uniforms is part of the cop-out. Stand up as a real man or shut up about being one.!

    The problem is not with uniforms per se. If the American resistance ever acquires a real need for some sort of street security section, then there is nothing wrong with adopting some sort of uniform, so long as it is native, novel, and respectable — not foreign, anachronistic, and ludicrous.

    Rockwell’s Nazi uniform was in the latter category. It and his other publicity stunts were, at best, tactics arguably necessitated by a total media blackout, born of desperation aiming to break that blackout. It brought some attention, but ultimately attracted relatively few adherents of quality or ability. The late Pierce, an early gifted adherent, always spoke of his disdain for Rockwell’s Nazi uniforms, because he witnessed first-hand the sort of nuts that it attracted, including sadly the nut who murdered Rockwell. So much for making it “work”. Much of Rockwell’s rhetoric was reasonable and fitting given the cultural-marxist foment at hand, but he should have avoided the Nazi branding of his movement.

    In the Internet age, there is no longer any excuse for this blasted silliness. We have the opportunity to build independent media, so we don’t need to act like clowns to get airtime. Most of us realize this. Besides, these costume guys aren’t really NS. They are not political at all, because they aren’t interested in serious goals. From what I can tell, they appear to be interested in forming a clubhouse where they can fit in, socializing with one another, and indulging in a little live-action role playing in which they can relive the hard but glorious days of the Beer Hall Putsch inside their minds. I don’t want to begrudge their futile hobby if that’s what they want to do, but I prefer that they rather play Dungeons & Dragons, instead of helping the ADL & SPLC make their annual fundraising goals. Because raising money for our enemies is the only thing that these fools accomplish.

    I tried to keep my comments brief and respectful on this topic, but if I am going to be challenged on something so obvious, then the costume clown brigade will get some ridicule.

  18. Chris on March 14th, 2011 12:06 am

    Hi Carolyn,

    Yes, I am “picky” but your comment seemed so bizarre.

    White nationalism (or neo-nazism if you prefer) is at the moment, the quickest way to ensure a man’s celibacy. Women follow power and given that WNs are the lowest on the power totem pole they attract very few women. Hitler’s popularity with the ladies was a function of his power (or his ascent to power). I doubt Rockwell got much action as he never got anywhere near power. In fact, his wife left him and took his four children.

    Anyway, I do enjoy your shows and appreciate your responses to my comments. I don’t think I am “attacking” you but rather challenging you on certain points. No need to take it personally, we are on the same side.

  19. Mike Conner on March 14th, 2011 12:34 am

    A German wrote:

    Mike it totally gives me a pleasure to see that we two agree 100%

    Thank you. I appreciate the kind remarks and all the commentary.

    P.S. Mike can you do anything about the volume of the intro music of ALL shows? It really drones and my ears almost fall off.

    I’ll see what I can do about it. A new voiceover guy is coming on board, so it’s a good time to calibrate things.

  20. Carolyn on March 14th, 2011 10:38 am

    Re program music — Mike and German,

    The Heretics’ Hour music is perfect, so please don’t mess with it. It is not too loud. Just right.

  21. Carolyn on March 14th, 2011 11:38 am

    Mike Conner,

    You’re mistaken if you think I was addressing what you said on the program about uniforms, though I see how you would take it that way.

    I was actually responding “in general” and also to my own previous comment, which I thought was quite clever. Uniforms didn’t hurt the appeal of some of our greatest “icons” [not clowns!] that we have to look up to. The program was also about white men getting white women to marry them and be mothers. It all ties in. I’m not advising the use of uniforms, certainly not NS uniforms, just saying they don’t REALLY turn women off, even if the women might say so. There’s a difference between what a woman’s instincts tell her, and what the social mores tell her.

    And when I speak of Rockwell as an icon, I mean Rockwell himself and not any of his followers. He is a man to admire and NO ONE who thinks of himself as caring about white interests should ever tear him down … unless he can show himself to be more effective.

    Another thing, being willing to wear a uniform shows a true committment to your cause, a sort of “no going back”, that says “I’m not afraid.” Most of our “white nationalists” don’t even reveal their names. Just some points. I am not advising uniforms; I just don’t believe in criticising predecessors who really did something. The biggest problem is infiltration … a serious problem.

    I know it’s not about attracting women, but your program combined the two topics. I do think white men should stop blaming women for our current problems; women’s basic nature has not changed and we used to do just fine in our societies in the past. That’s why I think all this kind of talk is a waste of time, and we should keep our eye on the cause of our problem — the Jew being dominant in our society, and now even totally in control. We need to take back our societies; that’s really the only thing we need to do. Discussion on how to do that is the only important discussion for VoR.

    There are those who say we need to reach more middle class whites with “our message”, so the message has to be tailored to what they can receive. When has that worked??? The mass, including the middle class, goes along with who is in power. They can switch their allegience overnight! It’s all about power. Ponder on that.

  22. Carolyn on March 14th, 2011 11:57 am

    Hi Chris,

    I thought my comment, as I said to Mike, to be very clever [in the context], and humorous.

    FYI, Hitler attracted women, including wives of rich men who gave him gifts of their personal jewelry, etc. that he could exchange for money for his party, from at least 1921 on … once he put on that uniform! Haha. He probably designed it himself; certainly approved it.
    That’s at least 12 years before he assumed real power.

    Maybe you need to read up on Rockwell. Lots of good-looking women wrote to him saying they wanted to have his child. It’s perfectly understandable that a wife with 4 children could not tolerate finally what kind of life R. led. That’s the sacrifice of a leader. AH knew better than to even start a family.

    It’s appalling to me that these men are criticised for little things like wearing uniforms, or for not succeeding in the end, by those who don’t even come close to their accomplishments. They should be seen as our heroes, in spite of the fact that they both happened to be “Nazis.” Please realize you are following the Jewish order when you denounce them. They like nothing better. We should throw the word “Nazi” and “neo-nazi” right back in their face. Along with “anti-Semitism.” Instead, so many agree with them!!!!

  23. Mike Conner on March 14th, 2011 3:42 pm

    Sure, women like uniforms. There’s no need to belabor that. You now write:

    And when I speak of Rockwell as an icon, I mean Rockwell himself and not any of his followers. He is a man to admire and NO ONE who thinks of himself as caring about white interests should ever tear him down … unless he can show himself to be more effective.

    Another thing, being willing to wear a uniform shows a true committment to your cause, a sort of “no going back”, that says “I’m not afraid.” Most of our “white nationalisst” don’t even reveal their names. Just some points. I am not advising uniforms; I just don’t believe in criticising predecessors who really did something.

    I am not interested in upholding icons. I am interested in producing effective, independent media. Desperation was the main motive behind Rockwell’s tactics, which may have been justified at the time, but no longer. It’s not even worth discussing except that the counterproductive Nazi uniform tactic is still being used today. I don’t mean this as an attack on Rockwell’s entire being, but he’s the inspiration for this foolishness.

    The biggest problem is infiltration … a serious problem.

    I don’t know why you add this here. Are you implying, as it appears you are, that willingness to wear a uniform or to express admiration for an icon is somehow a reliable counterindication against being an infiltrator? The SPLC types would have a hearty laugh at that idea! In fact, the evidence is the exactly the opposite. Look at actual infiltrators: Gung-ho loudmouth Hal Turner, setup man Tony Evola and costume clown associate Dave Gletty, for example. All showed “true commitment”; none criticized Rockwell that I know of; all were infiltrators.

    That’s why I think all this kind of talk is a waste of time, and we should keep our eye on the cause of our problem — the Jew being dominant in our society, and now even totally in control. We need to take back our societies; that’s really the only thing we need to do.

    Even were it true that Jewish dominance is the cause of all our problems, it doesn’t follow that it’s the only thing worth discussing. That’s because solving the problem of Jewish dominance is a lot more complicated matter than simply harping on it to people. Otherwise, the problem probably would have been solved a long time ago.

    Unfortunately, a person who doesn’t identify with something other than his own atomized individual self is simply not going to care enough to do something about the problem of Jewish dominance even when it’s brought to his attention. The predicament that we’re in, in a nutshell, is that a solid majority of our fellows are thoroughly atomized individuals. Granted, it’s a chicken-or-the-egg problem; Jewish dominance promotes the atomization of individuals and atomized individuals enable Jewish dominance. The goal of the independent media should be to break this vicious cycle both by exposing Jewish dominance and other problems and by strengthening our atrophied White Western identities. Until the cycle is broken, there is no real chance of “taking back our societies”. In the meantime, it’s definitely not a waste of time to talk on all manner of cultural topics. Anything that draws people into our discussion and way of thinking can be of value. Harping on Jews 24/7 is off-putting and it is not the answer.

    There are those associated with VoR that don’t want to talk about the Jew.

    VoR covers the topic sufficiently. It’s important, but it’s not the only thing; in my opinion, affirming a proud, healthy White Western identity in its various facets, taken as a whole — race, history, hertitage, culture, religion, and yes, even our proper gender relations — ranks at the same level as, or higher than, exposing our enemies. There are hosts want to talk about these other things, and I for one am glad they do. It would be boring to have only one kind of show!

  24. A German on March 14th, 2011 3:49 pm

    Carolyn: “The Heretics’ Hour music is perfect, so please don’t mess with it. It is not too loud. Just right.”
    NO it’s not my dear!
    All intros are much too droning!
    That hurts.

  25. Carolyn on March 14th, 2011 4:52 pm

    Mike :

    C: The biggest problem is infiltration … a serious problem.

    M: I don’t know why you add this here. Are you implying, as it appears you are, that willingness to wear a uniform or to express admiration for an icon is somehow a reliable counterindication against being an infiltrator?

    NO. I said uniforms are not the problem, infiltration is. Has nothing to do with uniforms. Infiltration is the big problem for white movements and will continue to be. What to do about it? We need better scrutiny, somehow. Good people get destroyed by the powers that be, and bad people move in and take their place. Happens all the time.
    *****
    The Jew is the cause of all our troubles because without the Jew we could begin to tackle other problems that are legitimately ours. The Jew in the U.S. and Europe is the elephant in the living room; when there’s an elephant in your living room, how can you pretend to think there is anything else to talk about? You first need to do something about getting the elephant out.

    Now there may be a fox running around at the same time, and you don’t want the fox there either. But the elephant can’t be ignored, even for a minute.

  26. Carolyn on March 14th, 2011 4:56 pm

    German:

    Droning???!!! Where is your musical appreciation? You are not the only listener, but you are the only complainer. Turn your volume down.

    Sincerely,
    Carolyn

  27. Mike Conner on March 14th, 2011 5:14 pm

    Carolyn wrote:

    NO. I said uniforms are not the problem, infiltration is. Has nothing to do with uniforms.

    Nazi uniforms aren’t a problem at all because infiltration is a bigger problem? I’m not trying to be obtuse, but the transitions between your thoughts could be written more clearly.

    Infiltration is the big problem for white movements and will continue to be. What to do about it? We need better scrutiny, somehow. Good people get destroyed by the powers that be, and bad people move in and take their place. Happens all the time.

    Good question. How about, just for starters, staying clear of the obvious possible suspects: Gung-ho loudmouths like Hal Turner, agent-provocateurs like Tony Evola, and costume clown representatives like Dave Gletty? Make sense to you? Or should we cozy up with every fool with his perennially failed movementard tactics, just because he “means well” and is on “our side”?

  28. Carolyn on March 14th, 2011 7:58 pm

    Mike,
    I must say, you are getting irritated and misrepresenting my words on purpose. I have never spoken up for “perennially failed momementards” yet you keep putting them on my plate — because that’s what you want to talk about.

    I have only praised Adolf Hitler and George Lincoln Rockwell.

    FYI, it is not the “obvious suspects” that are a danger, but the “non-obvious” ones. So it’s not as easy as you want to make out, nor are you as good at judging it as you might think. No one is. That’s why it’s always a danger.

  29. Carolyn on March 14th, 2011 10:17 pm

    Mike,

    Sorry I confused you with my jumping from uniforms to infiltration. You are a solid thinker. And logical. Those are good traits. I’m glad to have you running VoR. Most of the time. :-)

    German,

    I didn’t think the HH music was too loud tonight.

    I am signing off of this thread now for good. Thanks to all for your courtesy.

  30. Chris on March 15th, 2011 4:51 am

    Mike Connor, excellent post @3.42pm.

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