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The Stark Truth: Kievsky on men’s issues

September 29, 2010

Battle of Tours

Robert & Kievsky discuss:

  • Mindweaponization, Roissy and “game”;
  • How feminism came into being;
  • Empowering beta males;
  • How conservatives have adopted the anti-intellectual stereotype of liberal elites; women’s attitudes toward intellect;
  • How religion creates social cohesion; Jewish and Muslim mindweaponization;
  • Interracial relationships; Russian women & Kievsky’s experience is Russia;
  • The deterioration of American culture, and how it affects the rest of the world and recent immigrants.

13 MB / 32 kbps mono / 0 hour 56 min.

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11 Responses to “The Stark Truth: Kievsky on men’s issues”

  1. Ragnar on October 1st, 2010 3:12 pm

    Here we go again! – Kievsky telling us how Islam is the answer to the challenges facing the White Race.

    If nobody else is going to say it, I am going to say it.

    Kievsky, NO!

    The White Race does not need Islam. The White Race has a wealth of European mindweaponization in its arsenal.

  2. Rob on October 2nd, 2010 1:55 am

    I think you guys touched on a point this show which we play down but might be an inconvenient truth. You mentioned that white women are anti-intellectual and the gamesmanship that they fall for or are attracted to. This is borne out by their choices of mates. White women still seem to be evolutionarily wired to choose cavemen. This creates a rift or gap between white men or white women, with white men gravitating towards the more intelligent jewish and Asian women, and with white women tending towards the lower end of the racial spectrum with black and other dark males, whom they perceive to be dominant. You can blame the jew all you want, but though the jew has definitely exacerbated these defects, they were probably already pre-existent. I think an argument could be made that this demonstrates the white race is definitely not the pinnacle of human evolution. We tend to be an intermediary sub-species between the primitive equatorial peoples, and the more highly evolved Asians, and the divide between the intellectual haves and have-nots is precisely between white men and white women.

  3. Rob on October 2nd, 2010 11:28 am

    >>Here we go again! – Kievsky telling us how Islam is the answer to the challenges facing the White Race.<<

    Maybe that's true. I recall reading about Ibn Fidlan and his trip to the Volga back during the middle ages and his perception of the nordic vikings. He stated that the men are given to all manner of vice, particularly drinking and gambling, and that the women have no virtue or modesty. Sound familiar? Europe has ever been the land of drunken orgies and sexual decadence- Greek, Rome, modern age, always the same pattern of self destruction. It's a flaw in our program, and the sad fact is that the only time we've ever been able to sustain any level of civilized behavior is under the impetus of a semitic moral code. Today, our inherent nihilism is once again leading us to destruction. A mass conversion to Islam would in no sense be worse than our current trajectory of destruction. It would definitely mean larger white families, that's for sure, as opposed to the current and all too typical sexual depravity among whites.

  4. Chris on October 4th, 2010 4:39 am

    Sorry, I haven’t listened to the show yet but I really must post in order to correct Rob’s nonsense.

    Rob’s first post really does highlight the silly biological determinism found on WN sites. While, at first, it is a welcome change to the “culturism” found everywhere else, it unfortunately soon becomes the proverbial hammer which views everything else as a nail.

    The female desire to date the alpha male meat head is universal. The only way in which they have been accultured to consider such things as character is in a marriage-oriented society in which a woman is dependent on a man. Once these things are stripped away she will revert to her base self. There are plenty of Asian betas out there in Asian countries doing it tough.

    Although I sympathise with Rob’s concerns about white decadence, Islam is not the answer. Many Muslim countries suffer from all kinds of immorality – pederasty is rampant in Afghanistan. Also, given that Islam is race agnostic, and is 99% non-white, you can be sure that any such conversion would result in mass miscegenation.

  5. Rob on October 4th, 2010 12:52 pm

    >>The female desire to date the alpha male meat head is universal. The only way in which they have been accultured to consider such things as character is in a marriage-oriented society in which a woman is dependent on a man. Once these things are stripped away she will revert to her base self. There are plenty of Asian betas out there in Asian countries doing it tough.<<

    Given the opportunity, Asian females might stray and seek out "alphas", but they do it with higher i.q.ed white men, while white women do it with lower i.q.ed types like blacks. And that IS very much biological, not withstanding your attempt at a refutation.

    As to my point about Islam, I'm not sure your point about the widespread miscegenation it would entail is valid. While Arab conquerors did miscegenate in Africa, as did Christian conquistadors in the New World, devout Turks, Iranians, and Arabs have been rather race conscious and nationalistic, and from what I've gleaned, are quite contemptuous of, for example, blacks. Likewise, people like Bosnian Muslims, who are people of European Slavic stock, and the Pomaks of Bulgaria, who are also Bulgarians that were forcibly converted during the Ottoman reign, have a very strong ethno/religious identity, and larger families than the surrounding Christians.

  6. Chris on October 5th, 2010 4:23 am

    Rob, Asian women come from societies which are still marriage-oriented and hence seek out character in men. This is fast disappearing, especially in the richer Asian countries. White men still do well with them because a white man is considered “alpha” to many Asian women (thank Hollywood for that). Drop Asian women in Western countries and within two generations they ape the behaviour of white women.

    As for Arab racial consciousness – rubbish. The only real arabs live in the Peninsula. The rest of the “arabs” in the ME are nothing more than a linguistic category. The true arabs that conquered the ME in the 7th century were absorbed into the various semitic groups and essentially disappeared. Not very race conscious.

  7. Rob on October 5th, 2010 9:57 pm

    >>Rob, Asian women come from societies which are still marriage-oriented and hence seek out character in men. This is fast disappearing, especially in the richer Asian countries. White men still do well with them because a white man is considered “alpha” to many Asian women (thank Hollywood for that). Drop Asian women in Western countries and within two generations they ape the behaviour of white women.<>As for Arab racial consciousness – rubbish. The only real arabs live in the Peninsula. The rest of the “arabs” in the ME are nothing more than a linguistic category. The true arabs that conquered the ME in the 7th century were absorbed into the various semitic groups and essentially disappeared. Not very race conscious.<<

    Conquerors who haven't brought women with them will tend to mate with the conquered when they're away from home. As to Arabs getting absorbed into various Semitic groups, they themselves are Semites, so they'd be getting assimilated by the same race. How does this refute my prior statement? Also, would you deny that Turks, for example, in addition to being Muslim, are also extremely nationalistic to the point of chauvinism? Islam has never seemed to get in the way of their pan-Turanism. In fact, it's being pushed especially hard now by the neo-Ottoman hardline Islamic government currently in power in Turkey. In fact, I don't know how much you know about that part of the world, but aside from Jews, you would be hard-pressed to find a more fanatically nationalistic people on the planet. And they are not to be underestimated.

  8. Rob on October 5th, 2010 9:58 pm

    >>Rob, Asian women come from societies which are still marriage-oriented and hence seek out character in men. This is fast disappearing, especially in the richer Asian countries. White men still do well with them because a white man is considered “alpha” to many Asian women (thank Hollywood for that). Drop Asian women in Western countries and within two generations they ape the behaviour of white women.<<

    Chris, not to belabor this, but I live in L.A., and now matter how unpalatable it may be for us to accept, even 2nd and 3rd generation Asian girls are not aping white girls with the darkie loving. And if you see some exceptions, it will be nowhere near the degree you see it with white women. Sorry, but that's just the fact, no matter how much you try to rationalize it away. Why? Because race IS real, and those realities are even manifested in who women from the respective races choose to mate with. My point stands. After all, it's not 70,000 Asian women from Asia OR America that are flying to Jamaica every year to pay blacks to bang them, is it.

  9. Chris on October 6th, 2010 4:56 am

    Turks may well be nationalistic but they are not really a race, running the gamut of European turks to small, dark Asiatic turks. I am not aware of any Turkish imams railing against miscegenation, are you?

    I don’t think that arabs and the various semitic tribes of the ME are of the one race, unless you consider arabs and whites to be of the same race, as they are both classified as Caucasians. The fact is, the phenotypical variation in the ME is quite large and defies and attempt to classify it as racially homogenous.

    Finally, on the issue of Asian and white women. Yes, the behaviour of many white women disgusts me as much as it evidently does you and I also think that, generally speaking, asian women are a cut above white women in terms of class, femininity, behaviour and general civility. The difference in our opinions appears to be slight. You put white/asian female behaviour down to genes or put it down to culture.

    A couple more points why I think this is so. The root of the behaviour is female hypergamy – the desire to snag the alpha male. Given that women have economc independence from men this means getting the most masculine male. White men are more masculine than asian men, hence making them a more attractive option. For a white women to date someone more masculine, she must choose a black, who are more masculine than whites.

    I lived in Japan for three years and there was a sub-culture of black-loving Japanese women. This was moderated to some degree by the healthy anti-black attitudes found there but absent the white option, I am sure many more would go for blacks. Also, if Asian women where on the receiving end of pro-black propaganda that white women have been then I am sure they would start exhibiting such behaviours.

  10. Orion on October 10th, 2010 6:44 pm

    Rob – “the only time we’ve ever been able to sustain any level of civilized behavior is under the impetus of a semitic moral code.”

    Yes, because there no civilisation under the sun before Constantine outside of the deserts of Judea! What utter philo-semitic nonsense.

  11. A German on October 12th, 2010 5:41 pm

    Stark&Kievsky you’re right!

    We only can change society by changing its smallest unit, the family.
    But even that became difficult, because by totally destroying our workbench, i.e. productive jobs, the white man is often pauperized and can hardly feed himself, let alone a woman or even kids!

    That’s the big problem.

    Another problem is, that the media has put an image of Mr. or Ms. perfect in the peoples’ minds.
    Men want a “Claudia Schiffer”, nothing less, and women a “Brad Pitt” and nothing less.
    That’s also a big problem for our race and reconstructing the traditional family.
    Both sexes became much too demanding.

    And so men become 25, 30, 35, 40… and had no chance to get married, nor build a household or get kids.
    Like Jimmy D. Giles (Radio Free Mississippi). A pretty handsome guy, but with a failed marriage and no kids.
    And so he ended up unemployed on his compound with the age of 50, supporting his 100 year old grandpa Frank Abernathe (who recently deceased) of who’s pension Giles lived too, and supporting his 75 year old mother.
    He’s totally penniless and a good example for this pauperized childless white man.

    Because he has a very good physis he could still father a child, but beacuse of his bad social background and also political beliefs, he cannot attract a woman who could give life to a child.
    A total misery.

    And there are hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of white men out there like him.

    There’s always this trash talk about “inner values”, but in fact most people search for perfect looking partners, wealthy partners, partners with a good postion in society.
    Nobody lowers one’s sights and really values the INNER values of a potential life partner anymore.

    For example, I know a woman who dumps all her fiances immediately if they show the slightest charcter flaw. And so she had perhaps 20 or more fiances in the last 10 years.
    In her milieu, upper middle-class, very catholic, this is considered slutty behaviour. Nobody says it directly, but everybody thinks it.
    And so she’s almost 40 now and has no partner, but 2 kids from a failed marriage 12 years ago.

    And this shows, even the most traditional social backgrounds are in the state of decay.
    Her parents are of the old school, they are married for 50 years now and such behaviour would be unthinkable for them.

    But in the younger generations, even with a traditional background, the traditional family is in total decay.

    Just imagine how it feels for the 2 kids, to get used to 20 new “daddies”. Ridiculous.

    Everything caused by the sick ideology of the 1968er liberals and the Chosenites who control our media!

    Yes, Kievsky you’re totally right.
    The group with the strongest cohesion will dominate the others.
    That’s what made the 3rd Reich so strong.
    Absolute Volksgemeinschaft (people’s community – folkish bound) in which every kinsman considered the others relatives, of their blood.

    And in such a society “socialism”, i.e. social welfare, social security, healthcare, pensions… do function!

    Folkish-socialism, nationalsocialism.

    Socialism is not equal to Communism, as most Americans misunderstand it.
    That’s international-socialism=Marxism, which leads to Communism and Bolshevism.

    Like universal health care, also for racial foreigners, like the Chupacabras, which destroys the system.

    It only can function in a homogenous society, like in the society of the pilgrim fathers. Kinsmen-socialism. Nationalsocialsm.

    So, Kievsky your example of group cohesion in Islam might be good, but all the other stuff, even the cohesion, WAS part of European heritage before 1945!
    So we don’t have to mimicry Islam, but simply return to our old values.

    And for an white man to adopt Taqiya is not possible, his moral structure is totally contrary to such a system of decieve.
    MuzzieCabaras can do it and Jews can do it, because they have other moralic standards.

    We shall weaponize our mind with our OWN heritage and traditions! Not with ones of racial foreigners!

    But your beta male concept was really good Kievsky.
    That’s totally right.
    Alpha males attract women, eve if they know that they are scoundrels.
    But the beta male is the one who builds and maintains our healthy white families.

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