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The Heretics’ Hour: Friedrich Paul Berg on Allied War Crimes

May 24, 2010

German POWs Murdered by Americans

Surrendered Germans murdered by American troops in April 1945. General Eisenhower later reported, “Our forces liberated and mopped up the infamous concentration camp at Dachau … 300 SS camp guards were quickly neutralized.”

Friedrich Paul Berg joins Carolyn to discuss:

  • Undisciplined, unprepared American soldiers
  • General George S. Patton told troops to rape and kill
  • British/American bombing of civilians were greatest war crimes of all
  • German conduct during/after WWII superior to that of Allies

To learn more about Friedrich Paul Berg and his extensive body of work, visit his personal Web site.

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24 Responses to “The Heretics’ Hour: Friedrich Paul Berg on Allied War Crimes”

  1. jim on May 25th, 2010 7:01 am

    i dispute Berg’s assertion that the primary reason for the atrocities committed by Allied/US troops in Europe was “lack of discipline”;

    for two reasons:

    i/the jewish population of the US is, more likely than not, in excess of 30-odd million (10-15% at any given time); considering this and the (acknowledged) high concentration of Amerinid genes, would put the actual white constituent of the US population, at any given time, as some-thing in the vicinity of ¼ of the total US population;

    ii/many, many (probably, white) US troops opted to fight against the Japanese in the Pacific rather than against fellow white people in Europe!

    all this would seem to indicate that either the majority, or, a very large minority of the US troops in Europe could be categorised as (if DNA tests were available at the time!) as, in fact, non-white!…..hence: the atrocities!…..both “on the ground” and via “the air campaign(s)”!

    i contend that, all in all, this is a more reasonable explanation than “lack of discipline”…..seeing as how the US military, at the time, did, in fact, have the death penalty…..this does not seem a credible reason for its general behaviour towards German civilians and PoWs!

  2. A German on May 25th, 2010 8:33 pm

    John de Nugent stated on his website that 1/3 of the G.I.s in Europe were of German origin.

    If it’s true, that’s quite shocking.
    I presume many of them could have been extra cruel to prove to their slaveholders that they’re more American than apple pie.

    Another issue:
    Today I saw a piece on tv, a young Eastern German woman having the only restaurant on the American continent with special East German food. It’s in San Fransicko.
    It’s named Walzwerk=steel-mill.
    Not really an original name for a restaurant.

    Well, in the dining room there hung some pictures of “great” Commies, Marx etc. and then a picture of Erich Honecker, the Commie dictatator who imprisoned his own people and wanted to send tanks against the East German protestors in 1989 just to hold his rotten ass in power. And later, in 1991 they let him go into exile to South America. And this basterd hangs in her dining room.

    That’s labeled East German nostalgy=”Ostalgie”

    So much to the interior decoration of the “East German specialities restaurant”.
    Now to the food.
    Believe it or not, but the typically German food, Thüringer Bratwurst and Sauerkraut and so on so forth, was actually prepared by 2 chupacabras directly from the hood, Jorge and Sancho.
    XD
    U N B E L I E V E A B L E !!!

    P.S. What happened to the “DOWNLOAD” page? I can’t acitvate it anymore!
    “Error 500 – Internal server error
    An internal server error has occured!
    Please try again later.”

  3. Inquisition on May 25th, 2010 8:56 pm

    The news story on Israel’s nuclear program should result in a bigger protest than any Tea Party, or anything else. How can Americans continue to support this rogue state? Aaaahhhhh!!

  4. Carolyn on May 25th, 2010 10:20 pm

    Jim,

    I alerted Mr. Berg to your comment, but he may not choose to reply to it. I think your ideas are mostly wishful thinking, as there are no statistics to back them up. I don’t think you’re at all right about most German-Americans fighting in the Pacific theater.

    Most white Americans don’t feel any brotherhood with Europe; they see themselves as Americans and many are even anti-European. They may even feel more kinship with amerindians, because they’re “American”, than with Europeans. I’d like to say this isn’t so, but I really can’t. If you or anyone can come up with some proofs otherwise, I’ll pay attention.

    The pressure was on German-Americans and Japanese-Americans to prove their loyalty. Japanese Allied soldiers were segregated into their own units, so it was easier for them. But those of German ancestry were not, and I’m sure they did feel the need not to stand out and be different or hesitant, or to question anything that went on, probably. It’s very sad to think about.

  5. A German on May 25th, 2010 10:43 pm

    Fritz is totally right!
    There was napalm used over Germany!
    My grandma told me about that: when the people came in contact with that, they burnt, even when they sprang into the river, the burnt until death. This is totally true.

    And since Irving’s monumental book ‘Dresden’. we know that the Brits scientifically calculated, before every attack, how much fire bombs and how much explosive bombs they have to use to kill the highest percentage of a city’s population.

    Another thing, we’re all deluded by the 1960s WW2 propaganda movies. How bad it was and how strong the attacks on England were. But in fact, the ‘Blitz’ endured almost a year, but during that time no more Brits were killed than during the big attack on Hamburg! Der Feuersturm von Hamburg – 40,000 victims!
    And why so relative “less” victims in Britain?
    Because the Germans mainly attacked the weapon’s industry, that was the reason why Coventry was attacked.
    The people who died were actually workers or people who live near by the factories.
    But Churchill explicitly wanted to bomb residential districts in the Ruhrgebiet and other parts of Germany. Which even shook the infamous “Bomber Harris”, which he later told in an interview to David Irving.

    Taking all that in consideration, Churchill would be absolutelly convicted as a war criminal under normal circumstances. As Bush too.
    But as Hermann Göring said: “The victors are always the judges and the defeated are aklways the accused!”

    I also know one example of killing and raping from Zerbst/Anhalt.
    On the last day of the war in that city, a German woman intended to stop the Americans with an machine gun.
    They gang raped her, killed her and one G.I. even stung a dagger into her vagina. A gruesome picture.
    That was our “liberation”.

    Another thing:
    Recently I used all official casualty numbers, the ones which are also used in Yad Va Shem, for all concentration camps, ghettos, mass executions in the east and the extermination camps and added them up.
    The result was not 6 million!
    But 3.5 million, that would exactly match to the number we would normally have if they would have changed the total number after they changed the plaques in Ausschwitz and deducted 2.5 million victims!
    That clearly shows there’s something not ok with the victims number.

    3.5 million victims of the Holocau$t vs. 8 million dead Germans in WW2 and 2 million dead Germans in WW1.

    Even if the 6 million are true, everyone knows what the real genocide was!

  6. Bud Frank on May 26th, 2010 12:21 am

    @Jim,

    watcha smokin’ man?

    Re. the residential bombings, I remember seeing on mainstream cable a doc. that showed how the USAF or a related planning branch built large scale “model cities” complete with furnished residential dwellings (grotesquely including children’s toys) in order to determine bombing patterns that would cause optimal civilian carnage.

    @A German,

    Your country (my ancestral home) has endured so much for the last century. I want to say how much I admire even the post war version of the German nation, in particular how they steadfastly got on with life after suffering such horror.

    Carolyn,

    thankyou for having the courage to broadcast these shows.

  7. jim on May 26th, 2010 3:23 am

    @ Carolyn…which part of my “ideas” do you claim are “wishful thinking”?

    surely, you don’t believe the official estimates of US jewish population stats as the palty few million commonly touted?

    US census forms do not, i believe, require you to specify “race”….only “religion”;

    as for the large Amerinid component in the, supposedly, US population…..there are other studies on that…….easily accesible on-line!

    as such: i stand by my ratio of “¼” for the actual component of the white US population at that time…..now, of course, it would be considerably less….maybe, even, as low as 10%….although, more likely, in the 15% range……i guess the only way this could be “nailed” would be mass DNA testings for racial origins……

    again…..i maintain that race is the categorical determinant of behaviour (numerous studies on this…..too numerous to mention…..J P Rushton’s being the most recent!)…..and, so, this was the primary causative factor in the behaviour of US troops in Europe…..compare their behaviour to that of Canadian and, even, British troops at the time……from the evidence, (and i cite James Bacque’s work!)…..totally different….very few “atrocity accounts” of Canadian and British troops exists……except, for the latter, where there were special Jewish units involved!…..that is, of course, discounting the “air offensive” by the RAF……but…again, that was organised and promoted by some very dubious characters who’s racial origins are doubtful, to say the least……Churchill, Harris and Lindermann………(Prfsr Lindermannn…..Churchill’s “adviser”…..i think that’s the correct spelling…..just “off the top of my head”)…

    but………*please note*……..every-thing else on yr show i agreed with, of course……just that one single claim……that the behaviour of US troops was due to “lack of discipline”…..i contend that there were much deeper rooted causes than that!

    (compare, also, the behaviour of US troops in Vietnam with those of Australian troops…..the US military at that time, even more so now, of course, had a large component of non-whites……both overt and covert…..the Australian military, OTOH, was ALL WHITE…..consequently, their general behaviour as far as civs were conerned was totally different!)

    *sorry about the length*

  8. jim on May 26th, 2010 3:32 am

    ohh….one other thing……….re: the behaviour of the French troops immediately after WWII….again…..i would claim “race” as the determining factor….why?……because, prior to the French Revolution, most of the French population was of noticeably “fair” complexion…..after-wards….they appeared noticeably darker…..especially by the early twentieth century…..and……by the time of WWII……a very large “non-white” component was obvious….this, in fact, was what the French Revolution was all about……it was A RACE WAR (as almost all wars/revolutions are!….especially the big, nasty ones!)…….contrary to popular belief, only a small n° of Aristocrats were guillotined….the vast majority of those executed (well into the millions!) were the noticeably white/fair/Nordic component of the French population (read “The Dispossessed Majority” by Wilmot Robertson on this; he cites numerous sources!)

  9. Chris on May 26th, 2010 3:59 am

    Jim, I was going to attempt to rebut your entirely unsubstantiated and simplistic genetic determinism but you don’t even seem abe to write a coherent sentence so why bother?

  10. jim on May 26th, 2010 5:34 am

    “simplistic genetic determinism”….k……..well….i’m in good company, then…..Carleton Coon, Madison Grant, Sir Arthur Keith, Carleton Putnam, William Shockley, William Gayley Simpson, J P Rushton and James Watson (co-discoverer of the DNA molecule)…..you’d have to “rebut” all of them first, i think, eh?

    good luck with that!

  11. Mike Conner on May 26th, 2010 5:57 am

    Jim, you really need to use proper capitalization & punctuation per standard English, as you might have been taught in fifth grade, or else you will have to go. If you weren’t taught how to write English properly because of no fault of your own, I am willing to help you. But either way, your atrocious writing style needs to go.

  12. jim on May 26th, 2010 7:03 am

    relax, Mike!

    i’ve said all i have to say on this matter!

    i think that it should be pretty clear what i’m getting at ….

  13. Carolyn on May 26th, 2010 10:09 am

    Jim,

    The problem with your comments is not that “race is a big determinant of behavior ” — that is agreed — but the careless way you’re concluding that wherever there was bad behavior, it was because they weren’t “white.”

    I’m not going to try to answer for Mr. Berg, if he doesn’t want to answer himself. For myself, I generally agree with genetic arguments, but they don’t cover the whole story. This is why you are too simplistic. There are plenty of instances, unfortunately, of “white” soldiers anxious to murder their “white” captives, although I would argue not nearly as many as for non-whites.

    The big part that preliminary propaganda played in demonizing the enemy was also brought up. There are numerous factors involved, but the fact that American troops were, and probably are, far less disciplined than German, and even to a lesser degree British, troops in WWII is obvious to see. The length and type of military tradition may play a large role in that.

    I appreciate your comments, and your effort to make your point. You do have a point.

  14. kelvinator on May 27th, 2010 12:44 am

    I can’t wait till people start waking up to what a monster Abraham Lincoln was,and the genecide commited on women and children in the south.

  15. kelvinator on May 27th, 2010 12:54 am

    Yea good grammer that’s the important objective .Facts Truth and Justice come in a close second.

  16. Bud Frank on May 27th, 2010 4:47 pm

    @kelvinator,

    Well, you gotta admit a righteous message can be lost to the reader if said message is written in a boorish manner.

  17. Steve(Codex) on May 27th, 2010 6:46 pm

    It’s good to see that someone understands Mike’s point. He was not advocating that one should jettison facts, truth, and justice at the expense of avoiding comma splices and split infinitives. If someone has a point to make on a topic he believes to be important, basic grammatical skill should be used so as to bolster the message. It’s hard to take someone seriously whose prose appears to be that of a teenager who is cell texting while walking to lunch.

  18. August Gross on August 10th, 2010 1:21 pm

    I’ve had numerous Germans tell me that the first American soldiers they saw were Black and that they were allowed to go in first to rape and terrorise the civilians. Ditto for the French colonial Moroccans and Africans.
    There was a mass rape carried out in the famous tunnel in Stuttgart where civilians were hiding to get away from the fighting.
    I’ve also been told by many German women who were teenagers at the time that US fighter planes would deliberately strafe columns of refugees after they had no real German fighters to deal with. Chuck Jaeger mentions this in his book.

  19. Mishko on September 20th, 2010 10:25 am

    Carolyn, can you have your guest explain where he got his information regarding Patton telling blacks to rape and murder. From what I’ve read that’s a complete opposite of what Patton was about. It sounds like jewish propaganda.

    Thanks,

    Mishko

  20. Carolyn on September 20th, 2010 11:43 am

    Mishko,

    It’s not jewish propaganda. Below is from Berg’s website, http://www.nazigassings.com. Once the war was over, and Patton was actually dealing with real live Germans and real live Jewish refugees, he realized how mistaken he had been. Before that, he was a victim of American propaganda. If you want more, write to Berg personally at hoaxbuster@earthlink.net.

    GI-Joe six-packs murdered German prisoners and wounded at Normandy—oh, my!!
    The donuts and coca-cola must have gotten lost at the beach. War is Hell! Maybe this explains Malmedy?
    Gen George S. Patton had actually called for killing ALL German prisoners and raping German women.. His message to kill all prisoners was repeated often and he was not alone.
    See: Hirshson, Stanley P. General Patton (New York: Harper Collins, 2002) p. 374.
    For June 27, 1943, according to Captain Howard Cry: “He [Patton] said to kill and to continue to kill and that the more we killed then the less we’d have to kill later and the better the Division would be in the long run.” If such words had been scripted for a psychotic Hitler or Himmler in a Hollywood farce, they would seem perfect.. If they could be found in a Hitler or Himmler diary, the Jews would jump for joy.
    There is much more in Hirshson’s Chapter Ten: “Atrocities amid the Triumphs, ” pages 363 through 406. On page 317 we have the quote from Patton: “We’ll rape their women and pillage their towns and run the pusillanimous sons of bitches into the sea.” Patton had helped set the stage for the Normandy massacres with at least five well-documented, prisoner massacres of his own in Sicily.He also helped set the stage for the treatment of members of the SS, especially those who had anything to do with concentration camps—the worst of the worst—whose “voluntary confessions” became the best evidence for the holocaust hoax. On page 593, Hirshson quotes a high-ranking American officer who had told Fred Ayer, Patton’s brother-in-law, that “the Americans shot four or five prisoners for every prisoner killed by a German…”

    The image to the left (click image to enlarge) shows Patton after he allowed someone to photgraph him deliberately peeing into the Rhine River in March, 1945—an inspiration to us all! Patton’s war crimes and incendiary speeches make his views after the war all the more surprising: *General Patton’s Warning.* http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ncoM0nr7ZjoJ:www.natvan.com/national-vanguard/assorted/patton.html+%22General+Patton%27s+Warning%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Did Patton redeem himself before he was “accidentally“ killed by one of his own soldiers in December, 1945? Decide for yourself. There may even be hope for you!

  21. Carolyn on September 20th, 2010 8:50 pm

    Mishko,

    Listening to this again, Berg didn’t say Patton “told blacks to rape and murder”, but told his troops before battle to rape and kill, and some who raped were apparently black because Berg said the black ones found guilty were hung while most whites found guilty were not!

    That’s all he said about it.

  22. Mishko on September 20th, 2010 9:06 pm

    Carolyn while I do love your show, I think in this case your guest is wrong. Patton was very aware of the jew, so for people to state that he would tell his soldiers to rape etc is ridiculous. I don’t know Mr. Berg, but lets keep something in mind. The jews from America and England created the “Morgenthau Plan” http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=907

    Patton was on to the jews, and he was assassinated for his convictions and his big mouth. God bless him.

    I recommend Mr Berg read this.

    http://www.rense.com/general92/patton.htm

    I’d like to potentially interview Berg myself, and cross check his references, because they seem to jewish.

    All the best,

    Mishko

  23. Carolyn on September 20th, 2010 11:07 pm

    Mishko,

    “Patton was very aware of the Jew.”

    Yes, after May 1945. Not before then. At least, I haven’t seen any evidence of it.

    It’s as I wrote above: Once the war was over, and Patton was actually dealing with real live Germans and real live Jewish refugees, he realized how mistaken he had been. Before that, he was a victim of American propaganda and just a military man doing his job. He was no different that the others that allowed, even encouraged, killing German prisoners. Not all did though.

    Patton met with Eisenhower at Ordruf concentration camp, a sub-camp of Buchenwald, in April ’45 and went along with Ike creating all his propaganda about the German “atrocities.”

    I haven’t looked into the raping accusations and I’m not speaking for Friedrich Berg. He won’t write something here because I ask him to. You’ll have to contact him. Good idea to ask him to be a guest and really hash it over.

  24. Carolyn on September 21st, 2010 11:01 am

    More on Patton:

    Scrapbookpages.com presents a fact-based account of the Eisenhower-Patton visit to Ordruf, even though it’s given through a Holo-believer’s point of view. It reveals that Patton had no critical understanding of what he was looking at, and was filled with the moral superiority of the Americans.

    Selections from http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Ohrdruf/index.html
    The American military knew about the Nazi forced labor camps and concentration camps because Allied planes had done aerial photographs of numerous factories near the camps in both Germany and Poland, and many of these camps, including Buchenwald, had been bombed, killing thousands of innocent prisoners. In fact, General George S. Patton bragged in his autobiography about the precision bombing of a munitions factory near the Buchenwald concentration camp on August 24, 1944 which he erroneously claimed had not damaged the nearby camp. Not only was the camp hit by the bombs, there were 400 prisoners who were killed, along with 350 Germans.

    General Patton wrote in his memoirs that he learned from the surviving inmates that 3,000 prisoners had died in the camp since January 1, 1945. A few dozen bodies on a pyre, constructed out of railroad tracks, had recently been burned and their gruesome remains were still on display. According to General Patton, the bodies had been buried, but were later dug up and burned because “the Germans thought it expedient to remove the evidence of their crimes.” But after all that effort to cover up their crimes, the SS guards had allegedly shot sick prisoners when they ran short of transportation to move them out of the camp, and had left the bodies as evidence.

    Five years after seeing the Ohrdruf camp, General Bradley recalled that “The smell of death overwhelmed us even before we passed through the stockade. More than 3,200 naked, emaciated bodies had been flung into shallow graves. Others lay in the streets where they had fallen. Lice crawled over the yellowed skin of their sharp, bony frames.” The presence of lice in the camp indicates that there was probably an epidemic of typhus, which is spread by lice.

    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Ohrdruf/Ohrdruf01.html
    General Patton wrote that he suggested that the rest of the inhabitants of Ohrdruf be brought to the camp the next day, and that the army had “used the same system in having the inhabitants of Weimar go through the even larger slave camp (Buchenwald) north of that town.” German civilians were brought from the town of Ohrdruf to exhume the bodies in the mass grave and bury them again in individual graves.

    In a letter dated April 15, 1945, addressed to Ike (General Dwight D. Eisenhower), Patton wrote the following regarding the man who had served as their guide at Ohrdruf:

    “It may interest you to know that the very talkative, alleged former member of the murder camp was recognized by a Russian prisoner as a former guard. The prisoner beat his brains out with a rock.”

    Note that General Patton referred to Ohrdruf as a “murder camp” in his letter. It is clear from Patton’s letters and his memoir that he did not have a clear understanding of the purpose of the concentration camps and labor camps because he believed everything that the prisoners told him.

    It would be hard to find a German town, however small or obscure, that is completely lacking in historic or cultural importance. After describing the crimes of the Germans in his autobiography, General Patton went on to tell about how the Americans wantonly destroyed every village and hamlet in their path. On the same page of his book, in which he describes the atrocities of the Germans, Patton wrote the following:

    “We developed later a system known as the ‘Third Army War Memorial Project’ by which we always fired a few salvos into every town we approached, before even asking for surrender. The object of this was to let the inhabitants have something to show to future generations of Germans by way of proof that the Third Army had passed that way.”

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