The Heretics’ Hour: Carolyn & Wilhelm Kriessmann discuss Katyn

April 12, 2010

Wilhelm Kriessman

Dr. Wilhelm Kriessmann returns as Carolyn’s guest to discuss:

  • The crash of the airliner carrying Polish dignitaries to the Katyn commemoration
  • The causes of the start of the war between Poland and Germany
  • The murders at Katyn by the NVKD, and the wrongful blaming of Germany for the crime

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5 Responses to “The Heretics’ Hour: Carolyn & Wilhelm Kriessmann discuss Katyn”

  1. Bob in DC on April 13th, 2010 5:04 am

    Carolyn Yeager — Good show (listening again now!).

    Pilsudski was mentioned as an anti-German right wing force, but what of Wladyslaw Sikorski, and the reason for his probable assassination? What was his stance on Germany?

    Also, the ‘Missile Shield’ (Russian Encirclement) Policy of the NeoCons has been nixed, so far, by the Obama administration. Lech Kaczynski’s wing of Polish politics was the most staunch supporter of this Policy. Do their violent deaths neuter any effective resistance the Russians could muster against a renewed effort? Would such renewed effort within the year prove to be the ‘smoking gun’ for the crash?

    I agree with FDR in one thing: “In politics, nothing happens by accident.” — Bob

  2. Carolyn on April 13th, 2010 5:10 pm


    Thanks for listening to the program.

    Are you the Bob who called the Mike Piper show several times about a year ago, objecting to some comments by me about the Poland-German historical context?

    No one on the program called Pilsudski an anti-German right wing force. His name was mentioned only once when Dr. Kriessmann said he had a more reasonable attitude toward Germany that did those who he had installed to follow him (Ridz-Smigly, Beck). Sikorski had a difficult relationship with Pilsudski.

    Sikorski’s “probably assassination?” I don’t see it that way. There is speculation, but no evidence of foul play in his death. Just pointing out that there were many who might have liked to see him gone is not sufficient to support that it was not an accident.

    This is the way with so many “conspiracy theories” and speculations. In real conspiracies and hoaxes, such as the Holo, 9/11, the JFK assassination — to mention three biggies — there is plenty of evidence to contradict the official story, while at the same time there is no (unmanufactured) evidence that supports the official story.

    So I can’t put any credence in your speculation that Lech Kaczynski was so influential and obstructionist that he needed to be taken out, along with 90 other top government officials. It was the Poles’ poor judgement to send them all together in one plane, and to insist on landing where they had been warned not to. That’s the ‘smoking gun’. I don’t believe for a minute you will find another one later on.

    I invite you to read “Poland’s Censored Holocaust” by Marc Roland, and my own “Fateful Decisions; Irreversible Consequences” (dealing with Hitler’s thoughts on and the diplomatic record of the Poland invasion) in the March/April 2010 “The Barnes Review.”

  3. Bob in DC on April 13th, 2010 5:53 pm

    Carolyn — No, I haven’t called Mike Piper’s show for well over 2 years, and that was regarding the “smoking gun” of WTC-7. lol

    Obviously, positive proof of any conspiracy well planned is difficult to obtain; however, my hypothesis is simply that if the Missile Shield (Encirclement) initiative is seriously restarted by the Obama Administration relatively soon, it should be considered.

    Thanks for your reply! — Bob

  4. Carolyn on April 14th, 2010 10:59 am

    Here is the latest on the Polish plane crash from the German “Bild” newspaper (admittedly a tabloid, but the biggest-selling paper in Germany, I believe).

    BILD, April 13, 2010
    [...] “Speculation over the cause of the tragedy has been rife ever since, but a clear picture is starting to emerge.
    The jet’s pilot, Arkadiusz Protasiuk (age 36), is said to be at fault over the crash, BILD has learnt from investigation sources.
    And contrary to early reports that he had tried to land in Smolensk four times, it is now accepted he only made two approaches.
    Before the second, fatal attempt, the pilot was advised for the last time by the tower to abandon the landing and divert to another airport.
    But he declared: “I’m trying it one last time. We have enough fuel to divert to Moscow or Minsk in an emergency.”
    The provisional findings of the Polish-Russian investigators have concluded that the plane was blown by crosswinds out of the approach corridor. The left wing then hit an antenna mast, before the plane rotated around the mast and twisted up by almost 90 degrees to the ground.
    The front and the rear of the aircraft then separated off. The front part contained Lech Kaczynski and the two pilots, which explained why their bodies were found so quickly.
    Most of the passenger, probably including Maria Kaczynska, had been in the middle section and were scattered across the area.”
    (Carolyn: note that Kaczynski was in the front of the plane [in the cockpit?] with the pilots.)

    The day before — April 12, 2010, BILD article
    [...] “We will look in more detail in Moscow, but I repeat: the recording that we have confirms that there were no technical problems with the plane.
    “The pilot was informed about the difficult weather conditions, and yet he decided to make the landing.” (Carolyn: this is from the head Russian investigator)
    “It makes the crash all the more puzzling – why did the pilot repeatedly try to land in the fog at the military airbase in Smolensk despite the conditions?
    What is certain is that the Presidential flight was going smoothly as it entered Russian air space:
    Saturday April 10, from 4am: The 88-strong delegation gathers at Frederic Chopin airport in Warsaw.
    7.23am: The plane takes off according to plan, flying over Belarus towards Moscow and Smolensk. Air traffic controllers advise that Smolensk, where the weather is poor and foggy, should be avoided.
    But the Tupolev pilot remains on course.
    Shortly after 8am: President Lech Kaczynski calls his twin brother Jaroslaw on a satellite phone – everything is in order, we’ll be landing soon!
    Jaroslaw should actually have been on the plane, but at the last minute he gave up his seat to his party colleague Zbigniew Wassermann.
    8.20am: The aircraft begins its approach into the Smolensk-North airbase. The temperature is just above freezing and heavy fog hangs over the region. Visibility is less than 400 metres, and the base does not have Instrumental Landing System (ILS) capabilities which enable blind landings at bigger airports.
    Just half an hour beforehand, a Russian plane had turned around and headed back to Moscow after two unsuccessful landing attempts.
    A first evaluation of the Polish Tupolev’s voice recorder will later reveal that the pilots were also urged to divert to Minsk or Moscow.
    8.56am: Three landing attempts are aborted as the pilots cannot make out the runway lights through the fog.
    Now they start the final, fatal try: The plane is far too low as it approaches the runway. It first touches treetops before going out of control and crashing into a small birch forest. The fuselage of the Tupolev breaks up and the kerosene fuel explodes. Fire, smoke – there’s no chance for the passengers.
    Politicians and aviation experts are also speculating on this possibility in Poland.
    The President had been struggling for weeks to be invited to the Katyn massacre commemorations, writing letters of protest to the Russians, and he would have been desperate to have taken part in the ceremony to mark the Polish heroes of 1940.
    A diversion to an airport in Moscow or Minsk, both hundreds of kilometres away, would have put paid to his plans.
    And Kaczynski has a history of clashing with pilots. In 2008, he flew to Tbilisi in his Presidential plane during Georgia’s war with Russia. The Polish military pilot refused to land in the Georgian capital, insisting it was too dangerous, and the plane diverted to Baku in Azerbaijan.
    The pilot was later threatened with being sued for refusing to obey orders, but the case was thrown out.
    Did the Polish President try the same thing again, this time more successfully? Did he pay more heed to his schedule than to the warnings of the Russian air traffic controllers?
    In Warsaw, which has been overcome by grief and mourning, politicians and journalists are starting to whisper exactly that.
    But the official position remains the same: “No comment!”
    The question of who took the decision to attempt a landing in Smolensk will probably only be answered after the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder are examined. Both devices are being worked on by Russian and Polish investigators in Moscow.
    Reportedly, only two voices can be heard over the airwaves: An air traffic controller desperately warning against a landing and a pilot who repeatedly ignores the advice.”

  5. Carolyn on April 14th, 2010 11:45 am

    Some may want to read this at the StevenWarren blog.