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Tom Sunic’s Reply to Joel Stern

December 13, 2009

Note: Joel Stern wrote the following letter to several writers associated with The Occidental Observer and The Occidental Quarterly:

Ladies and Gentlemen:


I’m an American Jew whose aunt and cousins in Czechoslovakia and Hungary were exterminated in WW II (presumably in Auschwitiz, although I have no actual confirmation of their fate).


For the past several months I’ve been reading the articles in TQO and TOO. The common thread between them is the genetically and culturally alien nature of and countless misfortunes inflicted by Jews in their host countries.


Leaving aside the validity or flimsiness of your arguments, what do you personally envisage as the solution to the “Judenfrage”? Mass expulsion from the West? Segregation in ghettos? A quota system in education and other drastic steps to protect the vulnerable gentile population? Conversion to Christianity and eventual assimilation through intermarriage? Massacres by Einsatzgruppen? (I have no doubt that enough volunteers for this task could be found among sundry Christian Identity and National Alliance types.) Nuclear annihilation of Israel?


I have yet to see even one serious, comprehensive proposal put forward by the TQO and TOO writers with respect to this matter.


Tom Sunic replies:

Dear Mr. Stern:


Thank you for your comments. I appreciate your concern for the future of the Jewish people, and I’d also like to extend my condolences regarding the loss of your family .


Of course, I speak in my own name, not on behalf of my TOO colleagues, all of them being outstanding intellectuals and tolerant people. I hope you have read Prof. MacDonald’s work — in which you won’t find any Jew baiting, but rather serious analyses of this most important issue of our times.


Any lumping together of Christian identitarians and National Alliance hotheads with TOO is groundless.


I respect your concerns for the real or hypothetical attacks on your victimhood. But I also expect from you some respect for my own, including respect for the historical memory of my people and my race — wherever they may reside. It would be commendable on your part to extend sympathies to many of my relatives who perished anonymously in communist terror after 1945. While many Jews in America take for granted that non-Jews will constantly reminisce about Jewish victimology and hypothetical threats to the Jewry, few Jews seem to be concerned with the plight of non-Jews under communism in East Europe.


The fact that Jewish intellectuals played a formidable role on the eve and during the Bolshevik seizure of power — however good or bad their intentions may have been — remains a topic that needs to be addressed in detail. This might help us avoid future mass killings and pogroms and secure, more or less, some semblance of cohabitation.


Yet, something tells me that neither myself nor yourself seriously believe in this static scenario.


One of the reasons anti-Semitism occurs is due to the lack of open debate about mutual perceptions and self-perceptions of Jews vs. non-Jews. Hatred of Jews is prevalent among those who mimic Semitism, people who subconsciously try to be more Jewish than Jews themselves. This is part and parcel of ‘genealogical proximity’, between Christians and Jews, and which has historically resulted in mutual hatred. This is a neurotic dilemma of a person wishing to replace his Sameness by someone else’s, i.e. Jewish/Christian Otherness. The classic example of this neurotic mindset are Christian Zionists.


Your concerns reflect standard self-induced fears and self-fulfilling prophecies about anti-Semitic demons — who, as a rule, must sooner or later materialize. The demon architects are not those you suspect of anti-Semitism, but those who claim to be your friends now.


Sincerely,


Dr. Tom Sunic
www.tomsunic.info
Croatia

Source: TOO Blog.

Comments

171 Responses to “Tom Sunic’s Reply to Joel Stern”

  1. RS on December 15th, 2009 4:49 am

    Mr. Stern should be aware that the Palestinians are wondering the same thing — just what do the Jews want of them — 100% of their land, their lives, what ?? All the horrible options Mr. Stern mentioned are basically what the Jews are doing to the Arabs in Israel and Palestine.

    I imagine what will happen to the Jews in Israel will mirror what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians now. Technology will empower Muslims to give to the Jews what the Jews have been giving to the Palestinians. I don’t see Israel existing beyond 15-20 years from now.

    I think the majority of Jews will leave the USA (for W. Europe) if Americans return to their traditional views on race and religion. Those Jews that don’t leave will likely assimilate through marriage and dropping their religion. All natural events, no plan or sinister/violent actions….nothing like the destruction and mass murder that is happening in Palestine.

    FWIW, I’m against violence, and tremendously respect the work of the TOQ and TOO writers as they are giving it their all to win the intellectual and cultural battle.

    RS

  2. Joel Stern on December 15th, 2009 10:26 am

    Reply to RS

    I sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians and do not support Israeli treatment of its subject population.
    It strikes me as odd, however, that many of the respondents to my original question conveniently forget to mention the ongoing genocide of the Chechen people–alslo Muslims–at the hands of the Russian colonizer that has occupied the non-Slavic Caucasus lands for some two centuries. How many of the native peoples there have died in an effort to assert their national identity against an alien occupier? Why don’t the readers of the TOO and TOO show the same solicitude for the Chechens, Ingush, and other ethnic groups of that region?

  3. gt on December 15th, 2009 4:21 pm

    Mr. Joel,

    You spend one sentence to gently disagree with Israel for keeping a whole people into slavery and in the rest of the message you try to change the subject! Is this a tactic? I think so but it is not going to work forever.

    Nobody wants to start persecutions against the Jews or anything like that but, the organized Jewry has a profound negative impact on European societies. If the Jews do not want people to rally against them, they should stop trying to destroy the Western Culture.

  4. RS on December 16th, 2009 7:41 am

    I didn’t bring up the Palestinians because I care about them – I don’t – but to provide context for my answer that Israel will be destroyed. So, what Russia is doing to the Chechens has nothing to do with answering your question.

    Also, another reason why Israel and Palestine will be mentioned is because it exposes the blatant hypocrisy of Jews in the USA.

    American Jews scream tolerance and support liberal policies, but when it comes to Israel then racism is OK, religious intolerance is OK, race-based immigration policies are OK, holding people in jail for decades without a trial is OK, assassination is OK, etc.

    Israel is the true face of Jewish culture — not the nerdy Jewish boy marching for minority rights.

    At some point, Americans will say hmmm… why are Jews so anti-immigration in Israel, but ultra-supportive of immigration in the USA…why the disconnect…why is racism OK in Israel but not in the USA…

  5. Joel Stern on December 16th, 2009 7:45 am

    To GF

    No “tactic” at all. I don’t “gently” disagree with Israeli treatment of the Palestinians, I strongly oppose it, just as I oppose Russian colonization of non-Slavic territories in Asia and the Caucasus region, or Chinese oppression of Tibetans and Uighurs, who have a separate age-old ethnic identity and culture. This goes against my whole concept of the advisability of ethnostates as a guarantor of social harmony and stability.
    By the way, if youI fully support the right of Western cultures to maintain their unique character, I logically assume that you will agree that it was a grave mistake for Western “civilizers” to impose their alien religion (Christianity) and cultural values on native peoples in Siberia, South America, Afirca, South Asia, and other autochthonous regions. The blowback of this colonial effort is the unrestricted immigration of Third Word peoples into the countries of their former colonial masters (France, Italy, Spain, England, etc.). It was NOT organized Jewry that instigated this colonial adventurism, but trather he native governments and business corporations of your own Western countries in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries that were motivated by the “white man’s burden” and the idea of manifest destiny (not to mention the profit motive). You can now see the bankrupcy of that Western, intellectual legacy. So kindly don’t blame Jews for all the multicultural horros befalling your civilization at the present time.

  6. johnUK on December 16th, 2009 10:12 am

    @Sunic

    Jews just didn’t dominate the early Bolshevik regime they were prevalent throughout the Communist regime past the WW2 era.

    Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist People’s Army. Tito’s top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People’s Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.

    http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html

    And wasn’t just Jewish intellectual Tom. Jews created the Marxist terrorist groups prior to 1905 and 1917, occupied majority of government positions and created there institutions. Most of the revolutionaries were Jews during the civil war and financed by international Jewish bankers.

    @Joel Stern

    Jewish hypocrisy and false history perpetuated by Jews to support their geopolitical agenda and classic hatred towards Russia that imposed the Jewish Communist holocaust of 40 million Russians where Jews became an elite class and Russians a slave class and with the outbreak of WW2 later into Eastern Europe.

    There is no Chechen genocide just like there wasn’t any Bosnian genocide a myth created promoted by Soros and western intelligence.
    I fact in 2002 were they were saying an impossible death toll number there population increased nearly 3 fold from the original 89 census.

    The ones who have been genocided in Chechen are the ethnic Russian population with the entire population 200,000 ethnically cleansed from the region with fully compliance with international Jewry and Jews in Russia.
    Just like they helped genocide the ethnic Serb population of Kosovo.

    There is only a presence of troops in Chechen because the two regimes used it as a base to launch terror attacks, organised crime on every scale, terrorist training camps to destabilise the region as part of a CIA/MI6/ Turkish Pan Turkish nationalist agenda across the whole Eurasian sphere.

    Other than Palestine international Jewry supports every single Islamist movement/regime when it suits there agenda.

    The history of the region is bogus.

    1) There was never an independent state called Chechnya there was a series of Turkic tribes who for centuries prior to Russia’s conquest of the region were involved in raids and kidnapping of neighbouring Cossack village and selling women into the Ottoman sex slave industry. They do the same today along with Jews with their connection to KLA, Turkish organised crime, etc.

    2) Russia conquered the Caucasus region to prevent Turkish Ottoman expansion from conquering the Caucasus and had majority support of incorporation into the Russian empire.

    3) At the fall of the USSR western supported Jihadists started coming into Dagestan and the Caucasus region and sponsored Fetullah Gulen pan Islamist mosques and Universities and Saudi and Iranian financed mosques and western front NGO’s.

    4) Chechnya was anything but a peace, peaceful, freedom loving people the regime created militias and warlords attack raped, killed and kidnapped Russian civilian population in Chechnya and was the hub of organised crime in Russia fully subsidised by the Russian state who tried to create a military dictatorship and was fighting other Chechen factions.

    5) Starting in 91 western intelligence set up Jewish-Russian and Chechen organised crime network from Russian cities channelled to Grozny and links to contact in the Russian military to smuggle weapons to Chechen warlords and giving them French and British passports to travel abroad.
    In 92 the Chechen president travelled to Bosnia setting up connections to international terrorist organisations in camps under the control of the western supported Bosnian Islamist separatist leader and in military camps in Turkey.

    6) In alliance with the Jewish Oligarchs Boris Berezovsky and Vladimir Guisinky who also ran the World Jewish Congress conspired to bring about the first war as to have a pure ethnic Chechen state and a NATO base for the further destabilisation of Russia who after the first war used there positions in the Yeltsin government like Berezovsky to secretly finance and give sensitive military info to Chechen militants.

    7) The first war started because the situation got so out of hand a civil war ensued and Russia sent in forces to restore civil order in the region which was meant to last 2-3 days.
    This gave foreign intelligence and states mainly Turkey and Jordan the pretext to arm, train and finances militants to fight Russia forces starting the war. The ISI was so active they were actually running the war, Basayeav trained in CIA/ISI Afghan camps in 95.

    8) After the war when they were given de facto independence which included an embassy in Moscow they started extending there network fighting along side and setting up camps in Afghanistan under the Taliban, buying up real estate and moving families to Kosovo, Waziristan, Northern Kurdish Iraq, Bosnia which were running continuous since the Bosnian war, Turkey and the Panski Gorge in Georgia. So they were obviously preparing on mass for a second war.

    9) During the de facto period they commit every single crime imaginable including slave trade, kidnapping and murder, terrorist attacks,

    10) The second war happened due to the fact that militants from Chechnya were using Grozny as a base to launch an assault in neighbouring Dagestan and refusal to let a contingent of special force to enter Chechen territory this which went on for about 3 weeks while the Chechen foreign minister who is now a NED scholar was negotiating in the Chechen embassy in Moscow on 3 separate occasions with then PM Putin.
    Then of course there was the apartment bombings.

    I have yet to see a single criticism by any Jewish commentator or journalist criticizing the Jewish Oligarchs plunder of Russia and Ukraine (3 out of the 4 Oligarchs are of Jewish decent) or Jewish role in the Slavic sex trade industry were it is practically legal in Israel.

  7. Joel Stern on December 16th, 2009 10:16 am

    To RS:

    Israel is no more the “:true face” of Jewish culture any more than Nazi Germany was the embodiement of Western culture. There are numerous Jews who vigorously protest Israeli treatment of Palestinians (e.g Naom Chomsky).
    By the way, the entire tone of your reply is highly offensive and reeks of moronic stereotypes–the so-called “nerdy” Jewish boy, for example. . I have been lifting weights for decades and am ready to wager that I can easily best you in any physical fitness contest you’d care to name. How would you feel if I brought up the stereotype of a beer-guzzling, pot-bellied gentile, as typified by Hermann Goering? And let me remind you that Himmler was no model of Aryan physical beauty.
    However, I must admit that your mentality is about par for the kind of correspondent who appears on the blogs of the TOO and TOQ.

  8. johnUK on December 16th, 2009 10:16 am

    Edit meant to say:

    “I fact in 2002 were they were saying an impossible death toll number of 150,000 in a 2 year period there population increased nearly 3 fold from the original 89 census.”

  9. johnUK on December 16th, 2009 10:20 am

    Sorry another edit meant to say:

    2) Russia conquered the Caucasus region to prevent Turkish Ottoman expansion from conquering the Caucasus and had majority support of the local inhabitants to be incorporation into the Russian empire.

  10. Joel Stern on December 16th, 2009 10:47 am

    To John UK:

    I just chanced upon your rambling screed, which, apart from its disjointed syntax (I will make allowance for the fact that you are probably not a native speaker of English), is breathtaking for the extent of its clinical paranoia.
    Jews involved in a network of Islamist terrorist groups against world civilization (except for Palestine, of course)? No doubt Osama Bin Laden, the Chechen freedom fighters, and the Muslim terrorists in Kashmir would be surprised to hear that they have Jewish support. May I ask you for CREDIBLE sources to corroborate all these assertions?
    Your entire harangue is a farrago of canards lifted straight out of the Elders of the Protocol of Zion, Henry Ford’s I “International Jew,” the scurrilous ravings of Julius Streicher in “Der Stuermer,” and assorted motley crackpots of lesser notoriety.
    It is a hallmark of clinical paranoia that it constructs a self-contained, logically ordered mental universe that is impervious to evidence to the contrary. “Mein Kampf” is a perfect illustration of this genre.
    Any argument that I could present to refute your blanket condemnatioln of Jewry would be tantamount to trying to outshout the roar of a raging hurricane.
    Your discourse is more suitable for a psychatric evaluation than a response in an intellectual forum.

  11. RS on December 16th, 2009 7:16 pm

    Actually, I think Nazi Germany did represent Western Civilization in many ways, in particular from a Germanic point of view. Empire building, anti-semitism, loyalty and duty to a fault, focus on the arts and sciences have all been a part of Western Civilization. So, I don’t have any problem with Nazi Germany, with all of its faults, being listed as a representative of Western Civilization. I never claim Western Civilization is perfect or holy, just Western.

    Nazi Germany is a part of Western culture, and maybe an influential part, for better or worse. I am not running from that.

    You can bring up all the White stereotypes you want, as they all have some basis in the truth…there are many Whites who fit the stereotypes…just as stereotypes of Jews being nerdy, wimpy, greedy, backstabbers, racist, etc. all have a basis in the truth.

    I notice that Jewish film producers/directors are happy with stereotypes of Whites, blacks, Arabs and Muslims but do not portray negative stereotypes of Jews….another sign of racism and hypocrisy by Jews.

    Stereotype a Jew and it is the end of the world; stereotype a White or black and it doesn’t matter. Americans will wake up soon…

    Israel obviously represents what happens when Jewish culture is in control of a nation State. It is the true face of Jewish culture now. To conclude otherwise is moronic and makes no sense. Let’s see, who represents Jewish culture – a nation (Israel) whose leadership is chosen by the Jewish people, or a few unelected Jewish intellectuals in the diaspora ???

    Israel represents a State based on RACE. Israel has a RACE-based immigration policy. Lots of Whites want the same thing — but it is bad when Whites want to protect their race, but OK for Jews ???

    If Jews were honest then they would support the same policies in Israel as they support in America. They don’t. Americans will awaken to the reason why…

    Anyway, the answer to your question remains the same:

    1. Israel will be destroyed by Muslims.

    2. If Americans return to their traditional Western beliefs on race and religion then the Jews will lose their political and economic influence, and will leave voluntarily or assimilate.

    Game over.

    FWIW, I never met an American Jew who had any muscles, so I do doubt your claims.

    Also, I don’t really care what Jews do in Israel, my concern is America. The Jew is Named only to awaken Americans to the fact that if Jews believed that the policies they promote in the US were actually beneficial then they would support the same policies in Israel.

    To reverse the decline of this country means, in part, to point out the ultimate goals of those who push open immigration policies here in the US.

  12. johnUK on December 16th, 2009 7:28 pm

    @Joel Stern

    It is a fact that international Jewry support Islamic separatists most noticeably in Bosnia when Serb resistance fighters were battling Izetbegović’s Islamic forces and SAS trained KLA terrorist takeover of Kosovo.

    http://de-construct.net/?p=7163

    Jews who supported Bosnian Islamist regime in Bosnia and KLA in Kosovo.

    http://sacru.com/

    Jews who support and run pro-Chechen organisations.

    http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/American_Committee_for_Peace_in_Chechnya

    Read Paul Murphy’s book Wolves of Islam to get a grip of what your Freedom Fighters are about.

    He runs Russia Eurasian Terror Watch Analysis in Washington DC. http://www.retwa.com

    Boris Berezovsky finances Chechen terrorism that is a fact a western NGO operating in Central Asia has financial records to prove this.

    The fact is that terrorists and terror attacks in Europe and 9/11 in the US are offshoots of this

    Bosnian-Chechen network established by western intelligence in the Balkans during the 90’s.

    http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1703.htm

    Abu Hafs who is running operations against Russia in Chechnya and the Caucasus network Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades is sending foreign jihadists to fight US forces in Iraq.

    http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Mar1204.htm

    Support of terrorists Chinese Uigher Muslim terrorists in Xinjiang region.

    “Grossman’s predecessor as ambassador in Turkey was Morton Abramowitz – in fact, Grossman actually worked under Abramowitz in Ankara for a number of years. During that period, the US opened an espionage investigation into activities at the embassy involving Major Douglas Dickerson, a weapons procurement specialist for Central Asia. Dickerson and his wife, an FBI translator, later became famous when they tried to recruit Sibel to spy for this criminal network.

    Abramowitz, who is not listed in Sibel’s State Secrets Privilege Gallery, wrote a letter in support of Gulen for his immigration case. He has long advocated the use of Islamic fighters in furtherance of US interests, including the Afghan mujaheddin against the Soviets and the Kosovo Liberation Army during the war in the Balkans, acting as an advisor to the Kosovar Albanians.

    Another player from Sibel’s Gallery is Enver Yusuf Turani – Prime Minister of East Turkistan, a ‘country’ recognized by only one country, the United States. East Turkistan, aka Xinjiang, is officially a part of China, and home to the Uyghur people and the “Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement,” a UN-nominated terrorist organization “funded mainly by Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network and received training, support and personnel from both the al-Qaeda and the Taliban regime of Afghanistan.” In fact, the Uyghurs constitute a significant percentage of detainees – at least 22 – at Guantanamo Bay since 2001. Five of those have been set free, and were eventually sent to Albania, amid much controversy.

    According to TurkPulse:

    “One of the main tools Washington is using in this affair in order to get Turkey involved in the Xinjiang affair is some Turkish Americans, primarily the Fetullah Gulen team who are prosecuted in absentia in Turkey for trying to found a theocratic State order in this country because he runs his activities from the United States, his protégé. Another Turk used in this affair is Enver Yusuf Turani, who is the self styled Foreign and Prime Minister of the East Turkistan Government in exile. He has been an American citizen since 1998. Enver Yusuf is in close cooperation with Fetullah Gulen… Their activities for the government in exile are based on a report entitled “the Xinjiang Project” drafted by Graham Fuller in 1998 for the Rand Corporation and revised in 2003 under the title “the Xinjiang Problem.” It emphasises the importance of the Xinjiang Autonomous region in encircling China and provides a strategy for it.”

    In fact, Abramowitz and Fuller were key players in the establishment of ‘East Turkistan,’

    “proclaiming the government in exile within 4-5 months, starting in May (2004) and completing the proclamation in mid- September. The ceremony was held at Capitol Hill under American flags in Washington.”

    http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/07/court-documents-shed-light-on-cia.html

    Western backed terrorism in the Balkans, Russia and Eurasia

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/15/551916/-Sibel-Edmonds-Case:-The-Central-Asia-Islamization-Cocktail:-Mosques,-Madrassas,-HeroinTerrorism

  13. Mike Conner on December 17th, 2009 6:44 am

    John, sometimes long comments or comments with a lot of links get caught in the spam bin. When that happens please hang in there.

  14. Ba Racknophobe on December 17th, 2009 10:41 am

    JohnUK, or maybe rather JohnSerbia?

    Is there any subject under the sun where the supposed victimhood of Serbs isn’t warranted?

    You may fool uneducated Americans as to the role of Serbs in the Bosnian war, but there are others here who don’t regard Segio Trifkovic’s self-deluded fables as Holy Scripture. The Serbs lost, remember? And they were hardly “resistance” fighters. They were agressors.

    The American White Nationalist movement can be summarized as a collection of incredibly uneducated “dreamers”, if one would want to put it diplomatically. One could also call most them what your Serb buddies have been, at the battle of Kosovo, and in the Yugoslav dissolution wars.

    So this Jewish guy has nothing to fear.

  15. Joel Stern on December 17th, 2009 1:10 pm

    To RS

    You doubt my claims about Jewish physical prowess and never saw a Jew with muscles.?
    Max Baer, heavyweight champion of the world in the mid-1930s, demolished Aryan superhero Max Schmeling in 1933 and the lumbering ox Primo Carnero in 1934 (after 13 knockdowns). So much for your claim of vaunted Aryan supremacy.
    Mark Spitz won 7 Olympic gold medals in swimming.
    Barney Ross was a welteweight champion who regulalry dispatched Irish and Itlalan fighters. Maxie Rosenbloom was a light-heavyweight champion with over 300 victories. Joe Choysnki (who only weighed 172 lb). regularly beat up heavweights, including Jack Johnson, at the turn of the twentieth century. Daniel Mendoza (at 160 lb), the first Jewish heavyweight champion, (around 1775) originated the modern scientific style in boxing and regularly dominated men who outweighed him by 50 pounds or more. Dana Rosenbloom was a U.S. kickboxing champion and middleweight boxing champion in the 1990s. Mike Rossman, a half-Jew, was light-heavweight champion in the 1980s and had a paralyzing punch.
    As for your doubting my claims regarding my own physical fitness, I see plenty of gentiles in the gym with fat bellies who can’t do a single decent pushup or pullup. I’d like to see your own physique, but I have a felling you’re not going to measure up to my high standards, either physical OR intellectual.

  16. Joel Stern on December 17th, 2009 1:17 pm

    To John UK:

    One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
    I happend to believe that the Albanians in Kosovo, the Chechens, Ingush, and other colonzied Muslim peoples of the Caucasus, and the Uiguhurs in Central Asia all have the right to their ethnostates for the preservation of their unique cultural and genetic identity. The fascist-minded sources you cite reflect the bias of their authors and fail to corroborate your flimsy arguments.

  17. johnUK on December 17th, 2009 2:03 pm

    Actually I don’t have a problem with Israel in regards to the Palestinians in fact I like nationalist right wingers like Avigdor Lieberman what bothers me about Israel like my own country Britain, EU and the US that it gives sanctuary to these thieving mafia Oligarchs and condones the sex slave industry of Russian and Ukrainian girls.

    Are the Palestinians capable of running an organised democratic Palestinian state if they were to be granted a state tomorrow? No

    I fact Palestinians have been at the forefront usually supported by western intelligence to weaken Arab nationalist government of radical Islamic movements and part of this pan Ottoman movement with Hamas fighting and supporting in the Bosnian war and support the Chechens with Palestinian groups in Jordan fighting in the Jihad in Chechnya most famous being Jordanians Zarqawi who was fighting US lead forces in Iraq and Abu Hafs signatory of the Golden Chain document.

    @Ba Racknophobe

    Pro-Jihadist Ba Racknophobe supporting a regime aligned with international terrorism and personal contacts with Bin Ladin himself.

    BRITISH JOURNALIST EYE-WITNESSED OSAMA BIN LADEN ENTERING ALIJA IZETBEGOVIC’S OFFICE IN SARAJEVO

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg020306.htm

    “The exhaustive definition of the Islamic Order is: the unity of religion and law, education and force, ideals and interests, spiritual society and State…the Muslim does not exist at all as an independent individual… […] It is not in fact possible for there to be any peace or coexistence between ‘the Islamic Religion’ and non-Islamic social and political institutions.”

    Izetbegović’s Islamic declaration 1970.

    Are you a Bosnian?

    No they were not Serbs were fighting against international Jihadist’s under Izetbegović’s command with the main charges levelled at the Serbs being debunked by forensic examination like Racak which was KLA units dressed in civilian clothing and documented evidence of NATO involvement with the KLA.

    You can read the trail reports yourself.

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/hague.htm

    Here is one of those Albanian “freedom fighters” convicted of terrorism in Britain.

    “A bank has sparked outrage by handing over a 100 per cent mortgage to an Al Qaeda terrorist who smuggled himself into Britain.

    Albanian Krenar Lusha, 30, was given £93,000 after NatWest failed to complete full checks on his UK status.

    He used the cash to buy a house in Derby, where he stored bomb-making equipment and information on how to carry out attacks.

    The illegal immigrant also managed to get a UK driving licence, secure a £30,000-a-year engineering job and was even offered a second mortgage – which he declined.

    Lusha opened a NatWest bank account in 2000, soon after he sneaked into Britain on the back of a lorry.

    When bank staff were asked about its dealings with Lusha, one mortgage advisor told Preston Crown Court: ‘He was just a pleasant natured person and there was nothing untoward.’

    Yesterday Lusha was jailed for seven years after he was convicted of five out of 10 terror charges following a three-week trial.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1236301/Bank-blasted-giving-Al-Qaeda-terrorist-100-mortgage.html

    There were territorial disputes during the civil war when Serbs, Croats and Bosnians were aggressors depending on the area and circumstances.

    The Serbs in Kosovo were the new Spartans who for 78 days they fought the largest force military and economic force the world has ever known who had total air, ground and media supremacy.

    The concept of WN where you can base a culture purely on race is idiotic. You need something more than skin colour like religion and culture, etc. I think Sunic references this in some of his talks.

  18. johnUK on December 17th, 2009 3:22 pm

    @Joel Stern

    When it suits Jewish interests you support them.

    Then Germany had the right to expel the Jews who they collaborated with the Jewish leaders out of Germany as they were the driving force behind Communism in Germany prior to WW2, sold out Germany to allied nations during WW1 (Benjamin H. Freedman) and bought up the German economy on the cheap during the Weimar era.

    In September of 1933, Dr. Manfred Reifer, a well known leader of the German Jews wrote in the Jewish magazine Czernowitzer Allegemeine Zeitung:

    “Whilst large sections of the German nation are struggling for the preservation of their race, we Jews fill Germany with our vociferations. We supply the press with articles on the subject of its Christmas and Easter. We ridicule the highest ideals of the German nation and profane the matters which it holds sacred.”

    The other countries who also kicked out Jews who feared there statehood threatened by Jewish supremacism and usury they were justified to then?

    http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/HistoryJewishPersecution/

    So you support the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

    What about the preservation of their unique cultural and genetic identity of the Russian, Serb, Chinese, etc who created these regions as they were never an independent state.

    Don’t mask your own fascist hatred of Russians and other non-Jewish people under the guise of self determination.

    The same tactic was used for the Jewish Bolshevik takeover of Russia.

    “Groaning are the oppressed nationalities and religions in Russia, among them the Poles and Finns. Groaning are the unceasingly persecuted and humiliated Jews, deprived even those miserable rights that other Russian subjects enjoy the right to live where they choose, the right to go to school, etc. Groaning are the Georgians, the Armenians and other nations who can neither have their own schools nor be employed by the state and are compelled to submit to the shameful and oppressive policies of Russification.”

    -Joseph Stalin, article in Brdzola newspaper (December, 1901)

    My sources are a former CIA counter terrorism official in Russia Paul Muphy, independent terrorism analysis organisation run by Israeli Yossef Bodansky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yossef_Bodansky Director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare of the US House of Representatives from 1988 to 2004, FBI whistleblower Sidel Edmonds as well as citations from main stream news sources like the Wall Street Journal and the Times which are hardly Russian friendly sources.

    Unlike the pro-Kosovar, Chechen, etc supporters and propagandist like the Neocon’s, Soros and the CIA through NED/USAID just to name a few.

  19. Joel Stern on December 17th, 2009 4:08 pm

    Some commetns for RS (and those who share his stereotypes about Jewish “nerdiness”)

    Ever hear of Benny Leonard? He was king of the lightweights in the 1920s, a defensive wizard who retired unbeaten and unmarked. Hired by Gene Tunney to train him for the Dempsey fights. Along with Roberto Duran considered the greatest lighweight champion ever.

    Does the name Shlomo Arouche ring a bell?
    It should for you experts on the Third Reich. He was a Greek Jewish boxer who was middleweight champion of the Balkans until deported with his family from Salonika around 1942. At Auschwitz he was forced, for the entertainment of sadistic SS guards, to engage in gkadiator-lie fights to the death with comers from all countries, some of whom outweighed him by over 100 pounds (I believe Arouche himself would be considered a light-welterweight today, about 140 lbs). Not all of these bouts were with prisoners; he also beat the living daylights out of those SS supermen who were foolish enough to challenge him. Arouche never lost a any of his 200 matches despite suffering from intermittent dysentery and having to subsist on camp rations. After liberation, despite his weakened condition, he was nonetheless able to beat two U.S. servicemen who wanted to test his mettle.

    Why I am writing this? Not to boast of Jewish superiority, just to say that your idotic stereoty[pes about weak, nerdy Jews derive from a time when Jews were confined in shtetls and had no opportunity to participate in any kind of organzied sports activities available to their gentile peers. When offered these opportunities, Jews have proved time and again that they can excel not only in all areas of the arts and sciences, but in physical endeavors as well.

    RS, Since you have the termerity to question my physical prowess, may I ask what you have accomplished in any field of endeavor, athletic or otherwise?

    I have a feeling about you, and about many of the TOO bloggers as well, that they are abject losers who compensate for their failure in business, relationships, whatever, by identifying with something larger than themselves, such as the Aryan race, which gives them a feeling of superiority over more succesful and intelligent persons of a differnet racial or ethniic makeup. There is nothing mysterious about this psychological aberration; it is well known in psychology as a compensatory mechanism. A familiar example: a man of small stature might buy a large vicious dog, a huge car, or sport a big gun to compensate him for self-perceived physical shortcoming. Similarly, the pasty-faced, knock-kneed, narrow-shouldered bespectacled Himmler fashioned a praetorian guard of Aryan “Herrmenschen” to give him a sense of power that he inwardly lacked (read the “Anatomy of Human Aggression” by Erich Fromm for a good description of Himmler’s obsessive-compulsvie psychopathology). The same holds true for Hitler, who emphasized brute strength and cruelty as a cover for his sexual perversions; hence his notorious misogyny (all the women who knew him closely eventually committed suicide, not without good cause, I’m quite sure. Read “The Psychopathic God” by Robert Waite and the aforesaid Fromm book for more on this subject).. To cite a more recent example, which I’m sure you are all familiar with–Kevin Alfred Strom, erstwhile director of the National Alliance after William Pierce’s fortunate demise through cancer. Strom, you may recall, was arrested and jailed for possessing child pornography and pedophilia. Another typical example of an Aryan superman who had feet (or penis?) of clay.

    Lastly, I”m glad, RS, that you were honest enough to admit that the Third Reich had its “faults,” which, however, you neglected to mention. When you have a chance, would you be kind enough to specify them? Could the scrupulous “loyalty to a fault” that you admire in the Third Reich also be such a shortcoming? (I’m thinking of the German troops who machine-gunend over 40,000 people at Babi Yar in 1941; they were dutifully follwoing orders of course, but was their “Unsere Ehre is Treue” sense of obligation in this circumstance a praiseworthy quality in your opinion? If you believe it was, I have no doubt that you are a dangeorus sociopath who is quite captable of committing a similar act under the right circumstances.

  20. Joel Stern on December 17th, 2009 4:35 pm

    To John UK

    Yes, I favor the independence of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Dagestan, and numerous other areas of eastern and southern Russia that were colonized by the Slavs and forced to adopt a relgion and culture alien to their native traditions. They have the same right to their ethnostates as the Basques (who also never had an independent state), the Kurds (also never independent), the Gaugaz Turks, the Corsicans, the Sardinians, the Uighurs, and countless other peoples I could mention. Your emphasis on “statehood” is a red herring meant to distract from the real issue of self-determination, which has nothing to do with the abstract concept of statehood.
    I have no “facist” hatred for Russia or any other people, as I have studied Russian for forty-five years and have friends of Russian, Polish, and Ukrainian descent, among others. I do, however, intensely dislike fools like you who make blanket accusations against Jews as fomenters of communism in Russia and Eastern Europe. The Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Tsarist Empire, and the Second Reich fell because of the stupidity of their leaders, who engaged in a bloody and senseless war with one another for the sake of continental domination. Their demise was a logical consequence of interethnic strife and interstate competition for dominance. Yes, there were opportunisit and unscrupulous Jews who were involved in and took advantage of the postwar chaos, but the ulimate blame for the situation that arose can be laid at the feet of stupid Kaiser Wilhelm, Nichoas II, and Franz Josef, among others, of course. By the way, the vast majority of Jews in those countries loyallly supported their fellow citizens in the First World War; one-hundred thousand in the German Army alone.
    By the way, what is your own ethnic origin?

  21. johnUK on December 17th, 2009 9:30 pm

    @Joel Stern

    But Jews were behind Communism emanating from the conflict from the Pale of the Settlement. All the major western intelligence sources at the time mention this as well as Jewish publications and was financed by the world’s wealthiest Jewish bankers most noticeably Jacob Schiff who lead a decade’s long crusade against the Tsar a financed Trotsky and other Jewish exile revolutionaries in New York to lead the revolution through his Marxist front group “Friends of Russian Freedom”.

    “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type, who have been in the United States and there absorbed every one of the worst phases of our civilization without having the least understanding of what we really mean by liberty.”

    -CAPTAIN MONTGOMERY SCHYLER, American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia, in a military intelligence report dated March 1, 1919, to Lt. Col. Barrows in Vladivostok

    “The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent away in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.”

    -The American Hebrew September 10, 1920

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYvbIAXveVk

    And what about Jewish organised crime popularly known as the “Russian” mafia which Jewish journalist and author who was considered the authority on the Jewish-Russian mafia Robert Friedman in his book Red Mafiya: How the Russian Mob Has Invaded America revealed to be mostly Jewish and the Jewish Oligarchs who looted and stole 60-80% of the wealth of the country through gangster methods with some being Israeli citizens and transferring abroad a trillion dollars in offshore accounts during the 90’s and involved in prostitution rackets and child pornography.

    “Because the Russian mob is mostly Jewish, it was a political hot potato, especially in the New York area.”
    Robert Friedman,
    [Houston Chronicle, 5-14-2000, p. 15

    http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/criruss.htm

    http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/capitalists.htm

    And I say again that Russia entered the Caucasus region to stop Ottoman expansion into Russia and had the majority support of the local population.

    And they did not adopt an alien religion and culture their religion and culture was preserved during Tsarist period.

    http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/ethnic.html

    I don’t actually support independent South Ossetia and Abkhazia because like the other states they are not independent and supported by a third part in this case Russia like the other states in the Caucasus are supported by the US but at least South Ossetia and Abkhazia did not use their region as a terrorist and organised crime haven to destabilise and attack neighbouring regions and is part of an international Jihadist movement.

    And the Chechens and other groups in Eurasia as well the Balkans and China who are all interlinked are trained, supported and financed by the CIA and other western intelligence as well as Turkey and there Arab puppet states in the Mid East. Chechens, Kosovars, Uighers and their organisations are on the payroll of the CIA through NED.

    The Dalia Lama has been on the CIA payroll since the 50’s.

    And there not independent states there part of US and Western colonial outpost for a clearly stated geo-political agenda. Read Brzezinski’s The Grand Chessboard.

    “A Jew cannot be a true patriot. He is something different, like a bad insect. He must be kept apart, out of a place where he can do mischief – even by pogroms, if necessary.
    The Jews are responsible for Bolshevism in Russia, and Germany too. I was far too indulgent with them during my reign, and I bitterly regret the favours I showed the prominent Jewish bankers.”

    -Kaiser Wilhelm II CHICAGO TRIBUNE, July 2, 1922

    And I take it you do not think the international organised Jewish community especially their power and influence in the US did not push us towards war against Iraq?

    Scottish.

    You are an American Jew I take it.

  22. Joel Stern on December 18th, 2009 7:40 am

    To RK

    The Muslim people sof the Caucasus fought for decades in the nineteenth centuries to preserve their freedom against Slavic interlopers, who are not native to the region. And where exactly is your proof that the “majority population” supported the Russian invasion? Was a poll held at the time?. Or are you psychic and able to read the minds of the those who died two centuries ago?
    As for quoting Kaiser Wilhelm, the one-armed blowhard and incompetent whose troops invaded Southwest Africa and what is now Tangynika, (slaughtering about 100,000 Hereros in the process, I would hardly consider him a model of wisdom, seeing the mass destruction that he and other gentile monarchs wroght in the First World War.
    It alwyas strikes me how often people ignorant of history and devoid of logic cite all the supposed harm caused by Jews throughout history while conveniently overlooking the hecatombe that resulted from centuries of colonial oppression and exploitation throughout every corner of the globe. A few select examples:

    1. North America – decimation of hundreds of Indian tribes thorugh deliberate genocide; countless victinms of the Atlantic slave trade
    2. Algeria – one million Arabs and Berbers murdered in the 1946-1954 period by French occupiers, not to mention those destroyed in the intitial conquest in the 1830s.
    3. Indochina (1946-1954) – likewise, in additon to the natives butchered in the initial conquest
    4. Indonesia – countless insurgents slaughtered by the Dutch forces after WW II in the liberation struggle
    5. China – long exploited by the British and other Western predators (e.g. the Opium Trade)
    6. The Indian subcontinent (plundered by the British for two centuries)
    7. South America – centuries of genocide and exploitation of the native population

    I won’t dwell upon Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa because I doubt the fate of illietrate blacks would be of litte concern for you.

    Corrobration of this can easily be found in authoritative studies.
    Before accusing Jews of mass subversion and genocide, I suggest you take a very close look at the history of your own Aryan kinsmen, whose record in this regard is surely unsurpassed.

  23. RS on December 18th, 2009 8:44 am

    Yawn…one thing Jewish-American comedians do make fun of is the _fact_ that Jews in America are spectacularly unsuccessful when it comes to athletics. Yet another stereotype, along with being greedy, conniving, deceitful, backstabbing, racist, etc., that has its roots in the truth.

    I’m not sure why it touches a nerve with you. Jews in America are overrepresented in the brainy side of things, and underrepresented in the physical side. That’s life.

    Yes, I see plenty of fat White guys at the Club too, but I also notice a lot of White guys playing football. When a Jewish guy, or any Middle Eastern person for that matter, plays football though it is like a major event because it is so unusual…I think Jews even compile lists of their athletes because such persons are so rare…

    Me being 1) dangerous, 2) sociopath, and 3) capable of machine-gunning 40,000+ under the right circumstances….well, I’m really touched at your kind thoughts…I didn’t even know I was so transparent….but I have to admit that I can only claim two of these three traits…

  24. Joel Stern on December 18th, 2009 10:04 am

    Yawn…one idiotic stereotype after another. “Middle-Eastern guys” not liking football…why should they? Soccer is part of their tradition, why do they have to bash their heads and knees on the gridiron and cripple themselves for life? Or lose their teeth in hockey games? Stupid activities that count on mindless violence rather than finesse.
    The fact of the matter is, Jews can and have beat your gentile butts over over in the boxing ring and outside of it. You see, boxing is far more than brawn, it requires SMARTS, as you yourself acknowledge Jews have.
    My “kind thoughts” for you are sincere, but I’m not sure what two qualites you possess–the ability to machine-gun unarmed civilians, sociopathy, or dangerousness?
    And I would still like to know the “faults” you deplore in Nazi Germany, which you consider the quintessence of Germanic civilization.

  25. Ba Racknophobe on December 18th, 2009 3:21 pm

    JohnUK

    I believe you’re not entirely honest with us.
    That fanatically pro-Serb attitude of yours couldn’t come from a Scotsman. I guess you’re a Serb, perhaps dwelling in Scotland, who thinks he’d appear more trustworthy when pretending to be an outside observer.

    Connecting Serbs to Spartans is like comparing manure to ice cream. During WW1, the entire Serb army fled to Greece, instead of fighting the enemy. In the war in Croatia, in the 1990-ies, their entire army fled to Serbia, instead of fighting the enemy. Does it start to sound like a broken record? Read about the “War Of The Captains” and then tell us about Serb Spartans. No, the proper word here would be more like “Chicken”. Don’t you think?

    If you want to know about true modern Spartans, read about the Battle of Vukovar, which was defended by some 2000 brave Croatians against som 30-40.000 Serbs.

    Give the Serbs a rest, will you? Only thing they could possibly win is a bragging contest. And leave that Jew guy be. Your own professed country, the UK, is a joke. It should be renamed Rotschildistan. One Jewish banker owns you all, the queen, the parliament, the lot.

    What’s the point of you two accusing each other?

    Better answer one question each:

    Mr Jew guy; What do you want here and why do you insist living among us non-Jews?

    JohnUK; Did you know that the Serbs built the Egyptian pyramids? No, I’m not sarcastic. There’s some Serb historian saying so. Really. And the Serbs invented everything and all great explorers were Serbs. Kolumbovitch, huh?

    I’m not Bosnian and not a personal friend of either Bin Laden or any other islamic leader. Happy now?

  26. RS on December 18th, 2009 4:58 pm

    Middle Eastern guys, which all Jews are ethnic wise, may actually like football, but they just can’t play it…that was the point, I wasn’t trying to say they don’t like it.

    To me a Jew is a Middle Easterner, just like a black is an African. Nationality doesn’t matter since Jews, as proven throughout history, are not loyal to the nation in which they live.

    I suspect Jews are overrepresented with respect to the percentage of all those who have committed treason or spied against the US.

    Run the numbers and you’ll see that American Jews in boxing are extremely underrepresented as well…just a little better than Africans in swimming.

    Yes, boxing is a sport for the brainy that’s why Mike Tyson and a whole host of African morons have done so well.

    If one looks at the results of athletic competitions for the past 60+ years, Jews simply don’t fare and are extremely underrepresented. Israeli’s first Olympic Gold Medal (in Wind Surfing !!!) in 2004 !!! Come on, the notion that Jews have a history of athletic success is pure fantasy…

    The future is bright though, the IQ of Jews in Israel is lower than the Jews in the diaspora and is trending lower toward the Middle Eastern average IQ. This is nicely balanced by Israeli Jews being more physically robust than Jews in the diaspora.

    I got a feeling that tough Jews died young in the early decades of the Jewish experience in America, so we ended up with a legacy of brainy untrustworthy wimpy connivers…

    Have a nice weekend, Happy New Year…I’m off to the desert until early 2010…

  27. johnUK on December 19th, 2009 12:34 pm

    Offtopic but an amazing video if true of CNN propaganda during the first Iraq war.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIZh1nm8Lzg

    @Joel Stern

    Shamil Iman who lead forces fighting Russian troops retired in St Petersburg.

    And they attacked and expanded into Russia first by launching raids into Southern Russian Cossack regions making them slaves (the women sex slaves and the children brainwashed into becoming Muslims). The Ottomans did the same thing when they occupied the Balkans.

    “The Sandzak area had important strategic and military importance because it provided supply lines from Istanbul to Bosnia. This was known as the “Green Belt”, a strategic interconnected route or corridor from Istanbul to Sarajevo to Travnik to Bihac. The Ottoman Turks settled this region with Muslim Slavs to ensure this vital link. Orthodox Serbs were cleansed and resettled out of this strategic belt. Christians were perceived as a potential security threat to this corridor. The Ottoman Turks settled this route with Slavic Muslims, Islamicized Slavs who were referred to as poTurcenaci. This conversion was achieved through economic inducements, property grants, and a dominant status in the Ottoman society. For centuries, there was the devshirme or boy tribute system, where Slavs had to give up their children to be raised up as Muslims. This genocidal nature of the Ottoman Islamic system has rarely been seriously examined in so-called Western scholarship. Naturally, there was considerable animosity, but also sympathy, towards the Islamicized Slavs of the Sandzak. They were in a tragic position once the Ottoman Empire had collapsed and the Turkish Army and civil administration was withdrawn.”

    http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/072.shtml

    By the way Kosovo was always Serbian due the policies enacted by the colonial regimes to weaken the Serb dominance of the region from a pre-WW1 population of 90% ethnic Serbian.

    http://www.rusjournal.com/faqkosovo.html

    And they are part of the CIA sponsored Fetullah Gulen Pan Turkish movement who want to create a Caliphate of Turkish origin tribe from the Balkans to China supported by western governments and there intelligence agencies so western oil companies can annex it to control Caspian oil and gas.

    So you support that act of colonialism?

    So by you’re logic the Nazis had the right to expel Jews from Germany.

    Does it not matter what type of state it is, that it is a parasitical state based on organised crime of the host nation and that it attacks neighbouring regions?

    The financial power behind the British Empire was the Rothschild dynasty which continues today in colonisation of foreign countries. Who owned Yukos and financed George Soros? Who does George Soros work for?

    And I don’t see you complaining of the Jews who looted Russia and Ukraine during the 90’s and are protected by international Jewry Berezovsky, Guisinky, Nevzlin (Yukos shareholder convicted of killing 5 people who recently attended a conference of the World Jewish Federation in Washington DC), etc.

    “In his lively introduction of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the recent General Assembly in Washington, Leonid Nevzlin reminded the audience just how unexpected and unusual a role this was for him.

    “There was a time not so long ago when I couldn’t even imagine standing here in this place, in this country, only blocks from the decision-making capital of the world, with this responsibility,” Nevzlin said, describing his life as a businessman and apathetic Jew in Moscow before he made aliyah in 2003 and became a heavyweight among Jewish philanthropists.

    His prominent speech — which earned him a standing ovation by the collected leadership of the American Jewish federation world — was the privilege given to him as international chairman of the yearly gathering and its major sponsor. And though the exact figure has not been disclosed, organizers of the G.A. have told the Forward that his money played a significant part in making the three-day event happen. Nevzlin’s charity, NADAV, was also conspicuous as one of the main organizers of the conference’s many forums and workshops.”

    @Ba Racknophobe

    I am not fanatically pro-Serbian unlike you who fanatically anti-Serbian.

    100% Scottish my friend and have not left the country on holiday for a decade.

    “Did you know that the Serbs built the Egyptian pyramids? No, I’m not sarcastic. There’s some Serb historian saying so. Really. And the Serbs invented everything and all great explorers were Serbs. Kolumbovitch, huh?

    What does that have to do with anything?

    Ever heard of Nikola Tesla?

    “I’m not Bosnian and not a personal friend of either Bin Laden or any other islamic leader. Happy now”

    Yet you support a regime that is the base for Islamic terrorism in Europe and has personal contacts with Bin Ladin and financed money to Atta in the US.

    There’s talk of civil war now in Bosnia with Bosnian Croats moving to the Serbian Republic of Bosnia. I’m surprised Sunic actually hasn’t talked about the potential of Bosnia breaking apart and what will happen to the Croatian community there.

    Don’t know about Vukovar but here is a good presentation about media propaganda during the Balkans war, some of it actually quite clever.

    http://www.slideshare.net/marktwain381/media-war-presentation.

    Fighting the largest military and economic power the world has ever known the Kosovo war operation which was only intended to last a couple of days which last 78 days was pre-planned as early as 98 who had total air and ground dominance and intelligence against an enemy who deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure and targets.

  28. Joel Stern on December 28th, 2009 11:14 am

    To RS et al:
    Bad news for you–the world junior middle-weight title was just won by Yuri Forman, an Israeli Jew who is studhying to be a rabbi. One more refutation of your claim to Aryan superiority.
    As for Mike Tyson and other Afro-American “morons” in boxing I would rate them far more highly on the Binet scale than you and most of your fellow-bloggers, judging from the primitive level of your cognitive processes. Jews have excelled not only in all areas of intellectual endeavor (even an ignorant fool like you can’t deny the obvious) but in every field of athletics (yes, even in the traditionally “gentile” sports of football, baseball, and basketball, e.g. Hank Greenberg, Lyle Azado, Sandy Koufax, Dolph Hayes, and many others).
    If you think you’re such a tough and macho dude, by the way, I challenge you to go to the Krav Maga center in the nearest large city; I’m sure the Jewish trainer will be only too glad to rearrange your Aryan physiognomy for you; I estimate it won’t take him longer than 30 seconds, if that.
    As for John UK, let’s cut out the self-deluded rationalizations. You and I both know that Russians loathe and despite the people of the Caucasus and Central Asia, who are victimized and even killed regularly upon sight in Russian cities. The Russian invaders did not conquer the Caucasus and Central Asia out of any love or respect for the native peoples there, but solely for crass geopolitical considerations. This conquest, however, will prove to be the downffall of your Slavic empire, inasmuch as the Muslims breed prolfiically and the Russian gene pool is being vitiated by the well-known proclivity of Slavs for imbibing alcohol. The demographic statistics bear me out.
    I wanted to wish you all a merry Christmas, but since Christ was a circumcised Jew and rabbi, I don’t think crude knuckle-draggers like you should be honoring his memory. Find someone else to worship–say, Bacchus, the Greek god of drunken revelry and violent orgies. That would be a suitable deity for those of your porcine mentality.

  29. johnUK on December 29th, 2009 12:41 am

    @Joel Stern

    “let’s cut out the self-deluded rationalizations. You and I both know that Russians loathe and despite the people of the Caucasus and Central Asia, who are victimized and even killed regularly upon sight in Russian cities.”

    What gibberish nonsense.

    “The Russian invaders did not conquer the Caucasus and Central Asia out of any love or respect for the native peoples there, but solely for crass geopolitical considerations.

    You are right they did it to prevented becoming absorbed into the Ottoman Empire.

    “This conquest, however, will prove to be the downffall of your Slavic empire, inasmuch as the Muslims breed prolfiically and the Russian gene pool is being vitiated by the well-known proclivity of Slavs for imbibing alcohol. The demographic statistics bear me out.”

    http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2009/12/07/myths-russia-demography/

    Happy Hanukkah!

  30. Joel Stern on December 30th, 2009 3:12 pm

    A minor correction is needed on my part.
    Bacchus was the ROMAN, not the Greek god of liquor and orgiastic revelry; Dionysus was his Greek equivalent.
    And John of UK, I realize that reality is exceedingly hard for you to accept, but the aversion of Slavs (I include Poles, Bulgarians, Serbs, Slovaks, Czechs, and Ukrainians in this category) to the peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia is well known and palpable. Not only blacks, but Asians and swarthy people like Armenians, Roma, Chechens, Ingush, etc. are regularly beaten and suffer worse a worse fate at the hands of Russian skinheads, as even the most rudimentary knowledge of current events in Russia readily indicates. If the native peoples of the Caucasus and other colonized regions want to break away from their centuries-long bondage under Russian oppression and join their Islamic brethren in Turkey or elsewhere, they have every right to do so, no matter what aspersions you may cast on their culture. Who the hell are you to dictate the destiny of tens of millions of people if they desire something contrary to your own narrow prejudices?
    In addition, the decline of the Russian birthrate through such factors as rampant abortion, venereal diseases, alcoholism, AIDS, drug addiction, and other social factors is well attested and indisputable. The longevity of average citizens has plunged to the level of sub-Saharan Africa in many areas. The burgeoning Muslim population poses a direct threat to the survival of your cherished Slavic gene pool; Putin’s natal policy is a direct response to that demographic challenge.
    Lastly, I don’t celebrate Hanukah, or any other religious holidays; I’m an agnostic and adherence to a monotheistic tribal religion makes as little sense to me as belief in Odn and the Yggdrassil Tree. But I do suppor the right of any people to practice their faith, no matter how absurd, provided they do not try to impose it forcibly on others. So, if you and your fellow-bloggers wish to revert to Wicca, Asatru, and other pseudo-pagan cults, I certainly have no objection.

  31. Russ on January 1st, 2010 3:15 pm

    Joel, your objections to TOQ and TOO are, on their face, absurd.

    First you claim that you had an “aunt and cousins in Czechoslovakia and Hungary [that] were exterminated in WW II” and then immediately after making that ridiculous claim you go on to say that they were exterminated, “presumably in Auschwitiz, although I have no actual confirmation of their fate.”

    If you have no actual confirmation of their fate, then how do you know they were “exterminated.” Especially in light of recent studies that show no Jews were ever exterminated in Germany. This isn’t the same as saying no Jews died. Certainly, many did, after all, people do die in wars.

    Then you list a number of ways (implying that these are TOQ’s and TOO’s intentions) in which the West could rid itself of unwanted Jewish influence. After which you say you have “yet to see even one serious, comprehensive proposal” from either TOQ or TOO as to how the West could deal with that unwanted influence.

    Somehow it never occurred to you that every possibility on your list would certainly qualify as “serious” and in aggregate would be “comprehensive.”

    But I have a better solution.

    In one of your posts, above, you write that the current invasion of the non-White third-world into the the West is “blowback” from the prior Western colonization of that third-world. This is equally absurd. You’re saying that because Whites realized that the colonization of one people’s land by another people is wrong and voluntarily pulled-out of those lands, to correct that wrong, that now they should be colonized by their former subjects. If colonization is wrong, then it is wrong. Non-Whites shouldn’t be doing it to Whites any more than Whites should do it to them.

    Using your logic you have struck-upon the answer to the West’s Jewish Problem. Since Jews have wrongfully colonized Western lands for the past 2,000 years, they need to voluntarily pull-out of those lands – leaving all of the vast wealth they’ve accumulated behind.

    And they need to welcome as many Whites into Israel as see fit to come. Offering them financial incentives and welfare as well as race-based social privileges like Affirmative Action in education and government hiring.

  32. johnUK on January 2nd, 2010 9:52 pm

    @Joel Stern

    Caucasus groups are involved heavily in organised crime in Russia prostitution rings, sex trafficking, drug smuggling, etc far out ways any assault by a handful of racist thugs.

    Because the states themselves and their borders were created by Russia. This is the same rhetoric these Pale of Settlement Marxist Jews and there international brigades used as a cover to overthrow the Tsarist government in Russia.

    “Groaning are the oppressed nationalities and religions in Russia, among them the Poles and Finns. Groaning are the unceasingly persecuted and humiliated Jews, deprived even those miserable rights that other Russian subjects enjoy the right to live where they choose, the right to go to school, etc. Groaning are the Georgians, the Armenians and other nations who can neither have their own schools nor be employed by the state and are compelled to submit to the shameful and oppressive policies of Russification.”

    -Joseph Stalin, article in Brdzola newspaper (December, 1901)

    They tried self governing twice and it was a disaster and the second time they had de facto independence including an embassy which they used their status to import hundreds of foreign jihadists and train thousands of Chechen militants in camps in Afghanistan and turn into a base for all the major organised crime and every criminal activity imaginable.

    So Russian minority groups are allowed to splinter in the near abroad neighbouring states?

  33. Joel Stern on January 12th, 2010 10:27 am

    To Russ:

    I could reply to every one of your arguments, which are just as absurd to me as mine are to you, but frankly, what’s the point? There’s no way I could convince hardened racists and historical revisionsts that their view of reality is warped. But I would like to respond to one of your comments–that western colonizers pulled out “voluntarily” from the lands they had occupied for centures. I don’t know what you’ve been smoking, but the most callow student of history knows of countless protracted and bloody struggles by oppressed peoples in non-European countries to free themselves from the western colonial yoke. A few of many examples:
    1. The Indochina campaign to oust the French (and later Americans) from Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam–millions of dead, the environment permanently destroyed by chemical warfare0
    2. The Algerian campaign to oust French settlers; perhaps a million dead, and countless others tortured.
    3. The Mau-Mau struggle to oust the Brtish from Kenya
    4. The revolt of the Herero people in German Southwest Africa in the early 1900s–about 100,000 natives slaughtered.
    5. The campaign in Angola and Mozambique to expel the fascist Portuguese regime–total casualties unkinown
    6. The fight in Indonesia to expel the Dutch–total casualties unknown
    7. The liberation struggle in the Philippines against the U.S. occupation regime after the Spanish-American War—many hundreds of thousands butchered.
    8. The ongoing heroic struggle by the Muslim people of Central Asia and the Caucasus to free themselves from the two-century yoke of Russian physical and cultural genocide–unknown losses, but probably in the millions, if we count Stalin’s genocide of Chechens and others in the 1940s.

    I could expand the list indefinitely to show you the absurdity and utter vapidity of your “argument,” but again, what’s the point? The necessary information is readily available to the few of you who have a reading knowledge above the first-grade level.
    I will agree with Russ on one point; I believe that separation of western peoples from others will be necessary for universal peace and stability. Ethnostates are the only sure guarantor of this, including for the Jews, who should learn the lessons of history over the past two millennia.

  34. Joel Stern on January 12th, 2010 1:23 pm

    I forgot to answer Russ’ queston about the fate of my European relatives–my aunt and cousins in prewar Czechoslovakia and Hungary. How do I know they were “exterminated?”

    It is well known that German troops and their local myrmidons swept through that part of Europe and murdered on the spot or rounded over hundreds of thousands of Jews, most of whom ended up at Auschwitz, Treblinks, Sobibor, and other death camps. I have no idea whether my relatives lost their lives in an extermination camp (like most of the Jewish population in the subcarpathian region of Czechoslovakia, which was annexed by Hungary), or died at the hands of local fascist militia such as the Arrow Cross. But there is no question of their demise; they disappeared during the war, all contact with them was lost, and it is therefore logical to assume that they shared the fate of countless other innocent victims of fascist barbarity.
    Second, I have no idea what dubious historical “sources” you are citing to prove that German Jews were not deliberately targeted for destruction, but your claim is so insane that it is is unworthy of comment. Over 200,000 German Jews (not counting “Mischlings”) remained in Germany prior to the outbreak of the Second World War; the vast majority of them were not herded together in ghettos but rather shipped to the killing grounds of Poland, where they were either shot or gassed; some were deported to a “show camp” in Czechoslovakia, but that was really a halfway station to Auschwitiz. Neither the elderly not decorated Jewish veterans of WW I were spared after 1942; only a few “cryptp-Jews” escaped under the radar or were hidden by righteous gentiles at the peril of death.
    As for your your bewailing the immense wealth suppsedly garnered by Jews over the course of two millenia in Western society, the vast majority of the Jewish population throughout the centuries lived in poverty and enforced isolation. In any case, whatever evils resulted from the Jewish presence in Europe pales in comparison with the incalculable plunder, rapine, enslavement, mass genocide, and environmental havoc perpetrated by western colonziers in every corner of the world since the time of the Roman Empire down to the current oppression of Caucasus and Central Asian peoples by Slavic interlopers.
    If you want to regain the riches earned by Jews, kindly repay the same favor to the native peoples who had experienced the dubious blessings of your so-called civilization over the past centuries.
    By the way, I NEVER said in any of my postings that I unconditionally endorse the unlimited immigration of Third World peoples to Europe and the United States; quite the contrary, I believe in monoculutral and monoracial ethnostates as the best guarantor of social harmony and stability. You deliberately twisted my remarks to fit your own warped logic, which is beyond my ability to correct in a forum such as this, where primitive stereotypes , unsubstantiated allegations, and lurid fantasies about Jewish omnipotence run rampant.

  35. Captainchaos on January 13th, 2010 12:32 am

    Joel,

    You seem conflicted, you seem to be at least as interested in registering your support for the right those of European descent have to the necessary conditions to ensure the survival of their people as with assigning blame to them, as if to settle in your mind some cosmic score, a balancing of the karmic ledger, to the effect that Europeans have done as much if not more harm to other peoples than Jews have done to Europeans. Do I read you aright? And if, as seems to be the case from what you imply, that we cannot help but injure each other, would not separation on as peaceful and fair terms as can be had for our respective peoples be in order?

    I’m asking you now.

  36. Captainchaos on January 13th, 2010 1:08 am

    Also, Joel, I notice a motif in your commentary that is quite common to Jewish pronouncements regarding those of European descent: the attempt at shame inducement. Of course you won’t get past square one in shaming me, and I could readily refute the ‘reasoning’ behind what is ostensibly your attempt to do it. But I don’t care to get bogged down in that, what is of more interest to me is, are you conscious that that is what you were in fact doing?

  37. johnUK on January 13th, 2010 3:16 am

    @Joel Stern

    The Central Asians support Russia in fact it was Russian intervention on behalf of Tajikistan from western backed Jihadist’s that prevented them becoming a Taliban style Islamic state.

    Your concern is expanding the US/Israeli Empire in Central Asia to get there Caspian oil and gas reserves and world dominion. Typical Trotskyite mentality.

    What about Jews and there oppression of Russia and Ukraine with the Jewish Oligarchs worst is there treason with the likes of Berezovsky, Nevzlin, Guisinky, etc using there power in government and media to aid Chechen and Jihadist militants giving them money who are also involved in the mass sex slave trade industry of Ukrainian and Russian girls with the primary destination being Israel as well as prostitution rings amongst other things and child pornography.

    2000 child snuff film child Jewish child pornography ring busted in Italy.

    http://www.ety.com/HRP/jewishstudies/snuffporn.htm

    Police were not even to seriously investigate it until investigators leaked some of the footage to an Italian news station who broadcasted some of the footage.
    And what did the local Italian Jewish community do? They pressured the TV station to fire the journalist who created the news report.

  38. Joel Stern on January 13th, 2010 7:49 am

    To Captain Chaos:
    Yes, in a nutshell, I support separation for those who desire it. I also support mutliculturalism for those who desire that. In other words, freedom of association. I have no problem if a group of white nationalists wish to establish an enclave where they can, to their heart’s content, admire the statutes of Arno Becker, listen to Wagnerian operas, read “Blut und Boden” potboilers, look at Veit Harlan’s “Jude Suess” and “Der Ewige Jude,” and ponder the turgid prose of Rosenberg’s “Der Mythus des zwanzigsten Jahrhunderts” and Hans Guenther’s “Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes,” as long as they don’t forcibly impose their obsessions on any other peopel.
    Does that answer your question?
    As for John of UK’s unsubstantiated assertions about Central Asian’s partiality for Russian culture, where is your corroboration? Why were those states so eager to break away from the USSR in the early 1990s? And why are their Islamioc co-religionists in the Caucasus still fighting heroically for their independence after two centuries of racist Russian oppression?
    You keep harping on the Jewish control of the “sex trade,” again, without any iota of corrobration. I suspect that you yourself have some kind of morbid sexual perversion in your own makeup and, like a typical paranoid, ascribe your own twisted pyschic impulses to a convenient stereotype–the Chechens, the Jews, the Gypies, some other swarthy race. Hitler was a classic clinical case of paranoid projection (read “The Psychopathic God” by Professor Robert Waite), but I doubt you will be capable of understanding him, judging from your fractured grammar and disjointed reasoning), and you are clearly following Der Fuehrer’s example.
    By the way, the countless halfbreeds and mestizos in North and South America, Central Asia, and South Africa–were they also the product of Jewish-inspired miiscegantion? I have every reason to believe that they resulted from the couplings of your lustful “Aryan” conquerors who raped the native women with whom they came in contact. The modern sex-trade in Thailand, which is patronized heavily by German and other European perverts, would tend to bear me out.

  39. johnUK on January 13th, 2010 12:43 pm

    @Joel Stern

    You keep harping on the Jewish control of the “sex trade,” again, without any iota of corrobration.

    Did you not click on the link I provided or any of the previous ones?

    “Because the Russian mob is mostly Jewish, it was a political hot potato, especially in the New York area.”
    Robert Friedman (Jewish),
    [Houston Chronicle, 5-14-2000, p. 15

    http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/criruss.htm

    http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/capitalists.htm

    Most of the backbone of the "heroic" fighters in the Caucasus are foreign jihadist with western intelligence ties mainly Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc.

    Chechens are not a race but an ethnic group. Jews I cosider to be white supremacists. So you consider Jews not mearly a religous group like Christians but a race?

    Jews collabarated with Hitler just like your Bosnian and Chechen friends

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569802351/counterpunchmaga

    And is it not Jews and the US State department that are supporting historical revisionism of Nazi nationalist groups in East Europe like those affiliated and made with the Orange revolution and promoting Nazi propaganda about the Ukrainian “man-made” famine hoax.
    Jewish Village Voice 1988 article “In Search of a SOVIET HOLOCAUST: A 55-Year-Old Famine Feeds the Right”

    http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/vv.html

    Researcher Douglas Tottles (citied in the article) book

    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

    “But the OUN storm troopers, like any terrorist group, prized action over theory. Their wartime brutalities have been amply documented (Voice, February 11, 1986, "To Catch a Nazi,"). They recruited for the Waffen SS, pulled the triggers at Babi Yar and Sobibor, ran the gas chamber at Treblinka. During their brief interludes of Nazi-sponsored "independence" (in the Carpatho-Ukraine in 1939 and in Galicia in 1941), pogroms were the order of the day, in the spirit of their revered Simon Petlura. They strove to outdo the Nazis at every turn.”

    “From the Anglo-Saxon point of view, this investment was not useless as it provided a framework to assume power after the collapse of the Soviet Union. And that process is far from over. Thus, when during the recent orange «revolution» [5] , agents of these networks – regrouped in the heart of the Congress of the Ukrainian Nationalists (KUN) and the Pan-Ukrainian Party of Liberty (Svoboda, former SNPU) – joined «Our Ukraine» – the so-called democratic coalition of Viktor Yuschenko and gave it the necessary political structure – there was absolutely no doubt about the Nazi identity of these groups. The first one explicitly includes in all its documents the phrase: «Facción Stefan Bandera» («Faction, Stefan, Flag») while the second one uses the trident and the swastika as symbols. Not to mention the friends of Mrs. Timoschenko (Ukraine’s Foreign Minister): the UNA-UNSO, a paramilitary organization created after the 1991 putsch in Moscow that is comprised of more than 1,000 combatants, men who went to fight in Croatia with the CIA and later together with the insurgents in Chechnya and Georgia.

    Of these groups, only the Svoboda (Freedom) has been kept inactive after its leader, Oleh Tyhnybok praised those who, during World War II, had «cleared the country of Jews and Russians» and urged everyone to follow their example returning «Ukraine to the Ukrainians» and «setting the country free from the Muscovite Jews that exploit it» [6] . They were very careful not to show swastikas during the orange «revolution» that was televised when most of the paid demonstrators had been recruited in these Nazi organizations. Anyway, the KUN and the UNA-NAS have been considered appropriate, or «clean», interlocutors, known for such a long time that the general secretary of the European Union and NATO, Spain’s Javier Solana, accepted to talk to them.”

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article30079.html

  40. Joel Stern on January 13th, 2010 4:37 pm

    To John of UK:
    The Bosnian, Uighur, Chechen, Gauguz Turk, Crimean Tatar, Kurdish, Kosovar, and other Muslim ethnic groups are not my “friends” by a long shot, (I reject fanaticism of the monotheisitc variety as well as the racial mania propagated by the wannabe Aryan supermen posting on this blog), but I do fully upport their right to self-determination free of oppression by Slav or any other occupiers of their historic homelands.
    You failed to answer my previous question. Who begat the countless millions of mulattos, octoroons, quadroons, mestizos, half-breeds, coloreds, and other “mischlings” in every corner of the world during the many centuries of western–and Russian–colonial expansion? Was it the Israeli mafia? You accuse the Jews of doing exactly what your miscegnating brethren did to native women for many centuries.
    You categorize Jews as “white supremacists” but yourself condone Slav oppression of the peoples of Central Asia and the Caucasus, all of whom would glady expel the Russians from their midst (just as the Baltic nations would gladly do, after the genocide perpretrated against them by Stalin’s myrmidons in the 1940s).
    I see you as an embittered loser and crackpot whose one and only satisfaction in life is to spend hours in front of a computer, spinning conspiracy theories with other like-minded misfits concerning the array of Jewish supremacists, jihadists, Chechen sex-traders, Orange Revolutionairies in Ukraine, and other assorted bogeyman that obsess your beclouded mind.
    I’m curious about your background; do you have professional training as a historian, sociologist, anthropologist, or other professional? Or do you cherry-pick your information selectively from such “reputable” sources as David Duke’s website, Stormfront, the blog of Kevin Alfred Strom (the convicted pedophile leader of the National Alliance), or other fellow cretins?

  41. johnUK on January 13th, 2010 9:43 pm

    @Joel Stern

    “I see you as an embittered loser and crackpot whose one and only satisfaction in life is to spend hours in front of a computer, spinning conspiracy theories with other like-minded misfits concerning the array of Jewish supremacists, jihadists, Chechen sex-traders, Orange Revolutionairies in Ukraine, and other assorted bogeyman that obsess your beclouded mind.”

    Most people in the Caucasus support Russian protection from your wahabists/ terrorists in the Caucasus including the mountain Jews in and Russians have every right to be there because a) it is recognised as being part of Russia and b) Russians have settled in the region for decades.

    You categorize Jews as “white supremacists” but yourself condone Slav oppression of the peoples of Central Asia and the Caucasus, all of whom would glady expel the Russians from their midst (just as the Baltic nations would gladly do, after the genocide perpretrated against them by Stalin’s myrmidons in the 1940s).

    Most people support Russian protection from your wahabists in the Caucasus including the mountain Jews in and Russians have every right to be there because a) it is recognised

    What oppression in Central Asia they are all independent countries with there own leadership some hosting

    Why do millions of immigrant workers come to Russian for work?

    You mean when they fought against the Jewish Communists or when the white Russians fought against the Jewish tyranny of Trotsky’s Red Army financed By Jewish bankers Jacob Schiff and Olef Ashberg.

    “Two Jewish cultural organisations, Licht (light) in Tallinn and Schalom Aleichem (Peace be to you) in Tartu, played an important role in the introduction of Bolshevism into Estonia. The same pattern of events was repeated in the other two Baltic states.

    Licht was founded in 1926. It was a subversive movement from the very beginning, according to a document (2197-2-3-227) in the Estonian National Archives. The organisation received its instructions primarily from Moscow. Licht co-operated with MOPR or the International Red Aid, a subversive organisation that camouflaged its activities behind aid contributions to various (Red) political prisoners. Licht kept in touch with the Estonian Communist Party’s organisational office, which was in Sweden. Licht also distributed underground Communist literature, (Everything according to the Soviet-Estonian Encyclopaedia, Tallinn, 1972. Vol. 4, p. 432.)”

    Most of Licht’s approximately 120 members were Zionist Socialists or Communists, who began systematically planning the coup against the Estonian Republic as early as 1936. Many activists (Moisei Pekker, Simon Perlman, Lazar Vseviov, Ksenia Aisenstadt, Leo Aisenstadt, Hans Grabbe, Sosia Schmotkin, Josef Goldman, Viktor Feigin and others) became members of Estonia’s Communist Party (EKP) in 1936. I must point out here that this party had 387 members in 1934, of which only 133 remained in 1939. In the meantime, Stalin had had 254 Estonian Communists murdered. (Vladimir Karassev-Orgussaar, “Molotov, Voroshilov and We”, Stockholm, 1988, p. 115.) Until now it has been concealed how many of the 133 remaining members were Jews, but information from 1945 has been found which puts the number of Jewish members in EKP at 69. (“EKP in Numbers, 1920-1980″, Tallinn, 1983.) This almost certainly means that over half of the Communists in Estonia in 1940 (just before the Communist take-over) were Jews. In 1979, 1131 of the 4966 Jews in Estonia were members of the Communist Party. Compared with other groups, the Jews were very faithful to the Communist Party and were greatly over-represented in its activities, as was also the case in other countries. New Jewish Chekists arrived in Estonia after the Second World War and committed terrible atrocities against the Estonian people. Licht’s chairman in 1938 was called Moses Sachs. He worked closely with other Communists connected with Licht, like Idel Jakobson, Viktor Feigin and Gerschon Zimbalov.

    Marxist literature and the newspaper Kommunist were printed in the flat of the bank director Leo Aisenstadt. The printers were Ksenia Aisenstadt and Sosia Schmotkin. The Estonian Security Police, who did not then understand the Zionist connection, could hardly suspect a bank director of something like this.

    The leader of the Jewish community, Hirsch Aisenstadt (of the same family) was, according to a formerly secret document, also an agent of the Jewish agency in Estonia. He later joined one of the NKVD extermination battalions under the name Grigori Aisenstadt. He became a victim of the arbitrary punishments in 1949.”

    “I see you as an embittered loser and crackpot whose one and only satisfaction in life is to spend hours in front of a computer, spinning conspiracy theories with other like-minded misfits concerning the array of Jewish supremacists, jihadists, Chechen sex-traders, Orange Revolutionaries in Ukraine, and other assorted bogeyman that obsess your beclouded mind.”

    Did I touch a nerve there?

    Do Jewish groups not preach against marrying outside of their tribe?

    Do they not have racial laws in Israel?

    Does the Jewish religion not teach supremacy over non Jews as well as Jewish organisations like Chabab-Lubavitch?

    “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.” (Leviticus 25:44-46)

    Why do you think Hitler and the 108 other locations were Jews were kicked out of their countries?

    I cite my sources like the Jewish paedophile and murder ring from The Guardian (owned by the Jewish Rothschild family) newspaper in Britain and other mainstream newspapers as well as professors and Jewish sources themselves.

    Jerusalem Post citing Amnesty International that Israel traffic’s hundreds of Russian and Ukrainian girls each year.

    “According to Amnesty International, hundreds of women are brought to Israel from the former Soviet Union every year.”

    Even if I did cite Dr Duke would you be able to refute his accusations which he cites primarily Jewish sources as evidence?

  42. Rob on January 13th, 2010 11:12 pm

    JohnUk, it’s been amusing following this thread. This jew demanded citations from you and got them in spades. You’ve crushed this sophist worm with overwhelming facts which it is obviously itself totally unaware of. But rather than conceding it is in over its head and ceasing to pontificate about things it is totally clueless about, what was its response to your good faith effort at an honest debate? None, except the verbal equivalent of throwing feces at you with ad hominems and claiming you cherry-pick information without countering with any of its own. Jews don’t give a rat’s ass about facts. All they understand is force, and as certainly as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, once again the world is tiring of their machinations and will administer the spanking these spoiled foul runts so richly deserve.

  43. Joel Stern on January 14th, 2010 7:32 am

    To John of UK, Rob et al:

    I have cited quite a few sources for you in my repies, which are clearly beyond the ken of your befuddled hate-filled minds: Here are a few to start with:

    1. “The Aryan Myth” – Leon Polakov
    2. “The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness” – Erich Fromm
    3. “The Nazi Doctors” – Robert J. Lifton
    4. “The Psychopathiic God” – Robert Waite

    These books will require a certain amount of brains and intellectual honesty to read, so I don’t expect many of you would want to undertake the challenge.

    The various accusations leveled against Jews (by the way, you schmuck Rob, the word should be capitalized, but igonrance of grammar and punctuation is typical of your ilk) are but a paranoid projection of the evils lurking in your own disturbed psyches. There is not other race in history that has engaged in more rapine, plunder, enslavement, and mass slaughter over the course of many centuries than the European white–not only among non-Western peoples, but in your own historic homelands as well (e.g. the innumerable wars of religion in the medieval period and the genocidal conflicts of the twentieth century, including in the former Yugoslavia). Blaming Jews for your own miserable failures and incompetence is a typical ploy of paranoids of every stripe, as one can see with perfect clarity from the sophomoric bilge oozing from your pathetic minds.
    And, John of UK, “Dr. Duke” (the PhD is a bogus degree from a bogus mail-order in Ukraine) is a convicted tax cheat and former Ku Kluxer without a shred of academic background except perhaps a thorough acquaintance with the scribblings of Julius Streicher, is no authority for me or anyone else with a brain above the simian level. You’ll have to do much better than that, I’m afraid.
    It wasn’t necessary for me at all to throw “feces” at John or anyone else on this website, since you have plenty of them already wihin your cloaca-like minds.
    Lastly, I don’t know what Rob means by “spanking” the Jews for their supposed transgressions, but I’d very much like to see any one of you attempt to make that effort against me or any of my family. I can assure ;you of a most unpleasant reception. Consider that a friendly piece of advice.

  44. johnUK on January 14th, 2010 9:02 am

    @Joel Stern

    “Blaming Jews for your own miserable failures and incompetence is a typical ploy of paranoids of every stripe, as one can see with perfect clarity from the sophomoric bilge oozing from your pathetic minds.”

    Were Oligarchs of Russia and Ukraine (who still are in fact) not Jewish?

    Is the head and leaders of the so called “Russian mafia” not Jewish? Who are not even Russian but Ukrainian Jews.

    Is George Soros (Nazi collaborator) and British Rothschild agent not Jewish?

    Most of the people involved in supporting the break up of Yugoslavia from Albright, Holbrooke, Pearle, Clark, Lantos, etc to Kouchner in France were Jews and Jewish media pundits that were urging actions against Bosnian Serbs who were fighting Iranian/Hezbollah/Hamas/CIA/MI6/Bin Laden backed Muslim terrorists in the Balkans. In fact Atta and KSM were given Bosnian citizenship and lived in Bosnian during the war operating through Abdullah Bin Ladens Benevolence Fund.

    Of course there are always exceptions like Jared Israel who runs Emperor’s New Clothes http://www.tenc.net/ and Yossef Bodansky’s ISSA http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Balkanindex.htm.

    Nazi collaboration with Zionist Jews is well known.

    “Incredibly, Avraham Stern, the leader of the notorious “Stern Gang,” late in 1940, made a written proposal to Hitler, by which the Jewish militias in Palestine, would fight on “Germany’s side,” in the war against England, in exchange for the Nazis help in resolving the “Jewish Question” in Europe, and their assistance in creating an “historic Jewish state.” By this date, German troops had already marched into Prague, invaded Poland, and had built the first concentration camp at Auschwitz. The deranged Stern had further bragged about how the Zionist organizations were “closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in [their] ideology and structure.” Stern’s obscene proposal was found in the German embassy, in Turkey, after WWII.”

    Not that I citied any of Dr Dukes articles but he graduated from the largest university in Ukraine MAUP recognised as one of the best in the world.

    “MAUP is one of the leading Universities in Ukraine as well as Eastern Europe. Formerly a national university system run by the Ukrainian government, it was privatized after the fall of communism. It has grown to over 51,000 students with branches throughout Ukraine. Cooperative arrangements exist with other universities in a number of other nations and it has the highest academic accreditation possible both in Ukraine (4) and on the international level. UNESCO recognizes the MAUP university system as one the world’s high-level educational institutions. MAUP is the source of most of the bachelor and post-graduate degrees of the Ukrainian Government officials and administrators.”

  45. Joel Stern on January 14th, 2010 10:25 am

    My final remarks on this website.

    For the few among you who have progressed beyond the “Dick and Jane” stage of literacy and whose minds are not benumbed by dipsomania (an all too prevalent vice among gentiles) and clinical paranoia, here is a quotation from Leo Tolstoy–some of you may actually have heard of him, but I doubt any of you have studied him in depth, much less read him in the orignal Russian (which I have done):
    “Anti-semitism is the socialism of fools”
    A most apt parting citation for the quality of discourse and ideation to be found here, which rarely rise above the level of primitive stereotypes.

    And here is a question for Rob the schmuck:
    Since John of UK has stubbornly refused (whether out of stupidity or cowardice) to answer a question I posed to him several times, perhaps a person of your stellar intellect can do the honors:

    Who exactly procreated the many hundreds of millions of mestizos, half-breeds, coloreds, mulattos, half-castes, etc. who proliferate in every corner of the globe and who are currently inundating your ancestral homelands and impregnating the flower of Aryan womanhood? Was it the “foul Jewish runts” of your warped imagination? Or was it rather the hordes of pot-bellied, drink-addled, venereally infected goyim invaders who did not hesitate to rape and rob everyone in sight and who left behind countless bastard spawn?
    The world has awakened to the evils perpetuated by western colonizers–which you ascribe to Jews in order to excuse your own culpability and inner rot–and you are seeing the results of your decline in your ever-degnerating gene pool and moribund civilization, which very well could undergo a total collpase before the end of this century.
    The “spanking” was long overdue.

  46. Joel Stern on January 14th, 2010 2:46 pm

    David Duke never “graduated” from a Ukrainian university but was given an “honorary” degree. He has absolutely no academic credentials or training in history [Edit: David Duke graduated with a BA in History from Louisiana State University in 1974.] but derived his so-called philosophy from plagiarizing the works of earlier racist crackpots.
    Duke was convicted on several chaqrges of tax evasion and mail fraud and served 16 months in a federal prison. He is a notorious gambler who used his supporters’ funds to support his gambling addiction as well as plastic surgery operations. He is also a notorious womanizer who is not above bedding the wives of his Klan and neo-nazi associates.
    Your implicit approval of Duke is eloquent testimony to your own moral and intellectual vacuity.
    The breakup of the bastard entity known as Yugoslavia was an inexorable consequence of the megalomania of Slobodan Milosevich and his cabal of Serb chauvinists, who persecuted the majority Albainian population of Kosovo. The bastard entity met a well-deserved end, just like the abomination of the USSR, a prison-house of nations dominated by a Russian chauvinist clique of sclerotic dullards like Brezhnev and Andropov.
    To follow up on one of your previous points: You claim that Russia is recognized as the “rightful” possessor of the Caucasus and that Russians have settled there for decades. What difference does that make? The French occupied Algeria for a century and a half and had a million “”Pieds Noire” there; that doesn’t change the fact that they were an alien occupying presence and were rightfully expelled by the native population. The same is true of the Russian colonizers of the Caucasus and Central Asia, who suppressed the native peoples after long, bloody rebellions and exploited them ruthlessly, destroying the environment in the process (e.g. the desertification of Uzbekistan).
    Long duration of colonial oppression does not establish its legitimacy. I think the overwhelming majority of Tibetans, Uighurs, Chechens, Kurds, Ingushetians, and other Central Asian peoples would agree with me, whatever the status of their occupation may be under international law (which is written by the powers in control, not by their historical victims).
    .

  47. Rob on January 14th, 2010 5:31 pm

    “These books will require a certain amount of brains and intellectual honesty to read, so I don’t expect many of you would want to undertake the challenge.”

    Just like your intellectual honesty in assessing Duke’s work, which you probably haven’t had the guts to read, even though in his book “My Awakening” his facts on jewish behavior and history are lifted almost entirely from jewish sources, all fully sourced.

    “4. “The Psychopathiic God” – Robert Waite
    (by the way, you schmuck Rob, the word should be capitalized, but igonrance of grammar and punctuation is typical of your ilk) are but a paranoid projection of the evils lurking in your own disturbed psyches. There is not other race in history…”

    This jew animal gives advice on writing, yet can’t spell psychopathic and states ‘there is not other race…”, grammatically correct, of course. Silly slimy jew beast.

    “Lastly, I don’t know what Rob means by “spanking” the Jews for their supposed transgressions, but I’d very much like to see any one of you attempt to make that effort against me or any of my family. I can assure ;you of a most unpleasant reception. Consider that a friendly piece of advice.”

    You know damn well what I mean, vermin. Your filthy tribe has no future on this planet. If you have offspring and grandchildren, look at their eyes: your seed ultimately has no future on this planet. As your tribesman Henry Kissinger once said, a people that have been hounded out of nearly every country for 2000 years must be doing something wrong. It’s coming again, big time.

  48. Rob on January 14th, 2010 6:32 pm

    “Who exactly procreated the many hundreds of millions of mestizos, half-breeds, coloreds, mulattos, half-castes, etc. who proliferate in every corner of the globe and who are currently inundating your ancestral homelands and impregnating the flower of Aryan womanhood?”

    Can’t spell mulattoes either, eh kike? Cite your source for these alleged nations of hundreds of millions mulattoes in Africa that you imply were created by European colonists, don’t just claim it, jew. Are the Nigerians inundating Italy mulatto half-castes, jew? Are the Somalis flooding Maine and Northern Europe mulattoes, jew? Were the Semitic Arabs and the Turks created by White colonists, jew? I don’t see mulattoes from Africa inundating the west, only negroes. As to these alleged hundreds of millions of mestizos in the Americas, care to cite any genetic y-chromosome haplotype studies? Has anybody conducted such haplotype testing on the Mexicans invading our southwest? I see them everyday. They look just like Indians to me. I eagerly await your study demonstrating conclusively that it’s solely these hundreds of millions white male produced mulattoes and mestizos who are invading our lands.

    “and you are seeing the results of your decline in your ever-degnerating gene pool and moribund civilization, which very well could undergo a total collpase before the end of this century.
    The “spanking” was long overdue.”

    The jew gloats. But aren’t we constantly told by the judenpresse that these vermin love everybody and that it’s only we whites who are the haters and they the victims? These desert cutthroats invented supremacism and serial genocide and gloat about it in their old testament and then project their sick twisted fantasies onto us. Their “high holidays” like purim, hanukkah, and passover? Orgies of murder and vengeance against the gentiles. Kike holidays, gentile tragedies. How “spiritual”. Tikkun Olam, baby. As for our degeneration, it’s source is the virus know as bacillus judaeicus. Pornography, open borders, feminism, wall street corruption, wars on the muslims on behalf of israhell, boazian anthropology, promotion of miscegenation and multiculturalism in white lands, denigration of the White Western heritage and the deracination of our youth and their sense of identity leading to alienation and nihilism-All jewish. Need evidence? Read Kevin MacDonald’s books. Start with Culture of Critique, Mr. intellectual honesty.
    As to spanking, we all know how it always ends up in the end with the jews, don’t we? You’ve studied us for 2000 years, and like a maggot seeking an open wound, you’ve learned to exploit and exacerbate our weaknesses. But your biggest weakness has always been your complete inability to be objective with regard to yourselves. It will ultimately prove fatal.

  49. Captainchaos on January 14th, 2010 11:59 pm

    It is obvious and telling that Joel’s enumeration of the peccadilloes of the White man are made not with any genuine sympathy and sense of outrage for those transgressed against but for the purpose of shaming into submission White people consistent with Jewish interests. He expresses concern for Third World peoples only to the degree that said can be used as a club to bludgeon Whitey. He chides and browbeats assertions of Aryan superiority whilst in the next breath implying Jewish superiority. This Jew is truly our implacable racial enemy.

  50. Joel Stern on January 15th, 2010 7:43 am

    I actually have read portions of Duke’s magnum opus and found it to be stale, putrid, replsive rehash of hoary anti-semitic screeds by earlier crackpots like Rosenberg, Fritsche, and your psychopathic god Hitler. The same holds true for your “intellectual” guru MacDonald, who merely repackages hackneyed stereotypes in a new pseudo-scientific garb.
    I find it is invariably the case that racial maniacs like Kevin Afred Strom (convicted pedophile and child pornogra[pher), David Duke (convicted tax evader, mail order fraudster, compulsvie gambler, womanizer), and sexual pervert Hitler, as well as those who are attracted to this subpar breed of humanity, invariably exhibit all the traits of clinical paranoia, which leads them to ascribe all the filth and perversion in their own warped minds to a convenient bogeyman. To the ignorant medieval peasant, it was a witch that brought illness upon his children, or a Jew who poisoned the local well, infecting his cattle or causing the black plague. He would never have attributed the source of his problems to his own filthy hygienic practices.
    I discern the same pattern of mental aberration in the fulminations of deeply distrubed Rob and Captain Chaos. The prevalent drunkness, drug addiction, miscegnation, “street corruption” (whatever that idiotic phrase may denote), pornography, and countless other evils you attribute to Jewish influence arose organically from the very nature of your own culture, not in any malign conspiracy on the part of Jews, the vast majority of whom have lived productive lives and contributed richly to world civilization, including in the form of Christianity, which celebrates the life and resuurection of a circumcuised JEWISH RABBIi. Indeed, were it not for the civilizing influence of Judaeo-Christian civilization, fools and ignorant louts like you would still be wolrshipping phallic stones and running around in lice-infected bearskins, sacrificing captives (as the anicent Teutons were wont to do), and engaging in every other manner of sordid practices.
    To sum up, the Jew, black, mestizo, Chechen, Turk, or whatever bete noire you pathetic losers choose to identify as an “implacable racial enemy” is but a projection of your own sexual and other perversions–as I have described in the examples of Duke, Strom, Hitler, Streicher, and innumerable other abject failures.
    You are beyond help.

  51. Andrew on January 15th, 2010 10:33 am

    @Joel
    Thank you for pointing out the crimes of White Nationalists. You will be shocked, but someone suggested that there are some Jews who seem predisposed to criminal behavior. I am not well versed in the relevant statistics, surely this cant be right. This uncouth person told me that the greatest financial fraudsters of all time were Jews (Boesky, Milken and Madoff, et al). This jerk also told me that an internet search for “Rabbit Sex Crime” comes up with countless google hits on recent cases (he said many Rabbis were caught recently in New Jersey selling human body organs). He even had the audacity to say that, “The greatest murderer of all time is I believe the great Lazar Kaganovich, Wolf of the Kremlin, architect of the Holodomor, and of course his other Semitic friends in the Soviet secret police were no slouches either”. What nerve!

    You can rest assured that I dont believe him for a second. On behalf of all Europeans, may I offer my deepest thanks for the achievements of your tribe. Thank you for Hollywood, and television programming, helping to teach us good morals. Thank you for psychoanalysis, and its contribution to our mental health. Thank you for Communism and Socialism, helping to make the world a fairer place, truly a utopia in many ways. Thank you for establishing Israel, and involving the US in Middle Eastern affairs, to our great benefit. Thank you for modern art, its forms so wonderfully healthy and pleasing to the eye. Thank you for helping to rid us of Christianity, we must certainly continue to abolish it from the public square, its truly offensive and harms our young. Thank you for establishing the NAACP and de-segregating our schools, this has truly benefitted the education of our European children. Thank you for your work in establishing our modern financial systems, so beneficial for our prosperity. What could we barbarians have achieved without you? For all these things and a thousand more, a thousand thanks to the Jewish people, truly a light among nations. Before your coming to our nation, we were but a pale shadow of what we could be, and you have helped us immensely in reaching our current state of affairs. Thanks!!!

  52. Joel Stern on January 15th, 2010 11:36 am

    To Ranting Rob:

    I just checked the spelling of the plural of “mulatoo” on the Internet and found 146,000 hits for “mulattos.” No need to correct my spelling.
    By the way, “It’s source is the virus…” should be “ITS source is the virus…” Don’t you know the proper form of the possessive pronoun by now after all the exhaustive reading you have done? Of course, I don’t expect the authors you read, such as David Duke, to be necessarily competent in grammar, much less reasoning. That’s not a sine qua non for being a racist rabble-rouser.

    However, I’m not really offended by the vituperative ranting of yours and of your fellow lowlifes. Your minds are so completely overwhelmed with paranoic fear, hatred, and envy that I make allowances for your deranged state, just as I would have no personal animosity against a rabid dog for biting a random passerby. It’s simply the nature of the anti-Semitic beast to act that way. The only way to handle such an infected beast is to isolate it securely and permanently lest it cause further harm to those around it..
    By the way, I am neither gloating nor grieving at the future demise of your civilization. Oswald Spengler predicted exactly the same thing c. 1918 in “Die Untergang des Abendlandes,” which i’m sure an erudite polyglot like you read along with back issues of “Der Stuermer.”

    I leave you all with a quote from poet Friedrich Schiller, which provides a most fitting epigram for the exchanges I have had with the unsavory crew on this blog:
    “Denn mit der Dummheit kaempfen selbst die Goetter vergebens.”

  53. Joel Stern on January 15th, 2010 12:19 pm

    Andrew:

    You’re most welcome. I in turn thank you, on behalf of the entire world, for spreading the blessings of Western civilization and the gospel of Christianity (celebrating the lfie and resurrection of the circumcised Jewish Rabbi Yeshua) to countless pagans and unbelievers, which unforunately led to to their massacre and sometime total extinction on all continents and to the appropration and devasatation of many of their ancestral homelands, but at least their souls were saved even if their bodies were destroyed.
    I thank you for the Atlantic slave trade, which elevated the benighted Negro even at the cost of millions of dead en route to the U.S. and other shores in the New World over several centuries.
    I thank you for the medical experiments not only on Jews and Gypsies but many other “Untermenchsen” during the Second World War by Dr. Mengele, August Hirt, and other indefatigable researchers, which immeasurely enriched our fund of genetic knowledge and laid the foundation for the eugenic betterment of the human race.
    As part of that eugenic endeavor, I thank you for the humane sterilization and euthanasis of the mentally and physically challenged not only in Germany but also other western countries, which cleansed your gene pool of noxious elements.
    I thank you for your excellent armaments industry and ingenious chemical and biological weapons (e.g. Alfred Nobel, the Krupps, mustard gas, etc.), which inflicted death and permanent disfigurement on innumerable combatants in WW I and paved the way for the industrial-scale dispostion of “unerwuenschtes Leben” in the ethnic cleansing of WW II.
    I thank you for the films of Veit Harlan, whose “Jude Suess” and “Der Ewige Jude” educated ignorant goyim thorughout occupied Europe about the semitic peril in their midst and girded them for battle against their implacable racial foe.
    I thank you for “die Welteislehre” of Horbiger and the “hollow earth theory,” whereby Nazi scientists enhanced our knowledge of cosmology and geology.
    I’m sure I could come up with many more reasons to be awed and grateful, but Ithis list will have to do for now.

  54. Andrew on January 15th, 2010 2:21 pm

    @Dear Joel,
    Your kind post epitomizes the love and spirit of friendship that Jews have always felt towards we Europeans. It almost singlehandedly proves MacDonald’s theories of Jewish hostility towards Europeans to be ludicrously wrong. Your post also brought tears to my eyes, as I remembered even more reasons to be grateful to our Semitic brothers.

    Thank you for removing the Palestinians from their lands in Israel and walling them into the Gaza strip, so that they wont hurt themselves. Thank you also for recently reducing their population by 1000, mostly women and children, to help with population control. Surely it is a gift to live among the Jews in Israel, as any Arab will surely attest. Thank you for reminding us of the holocaust at every opportunity, a sense of guilt is always a good thing, especially for the young of Germany. And thank you for helping to outlaw holocaust research in much of Europe, freedom of speech can really get annoying after a while, and we can all sleep easier without it. Thank you for your part in the slave trade, studies show Jews played a disproportionate role, and this greatly helped with immigration, the Africans have thrived here and have made our lives a joy. Thank you especially for being the main movers of the 1965 immigration act, which has brought in 100 million immigrants from the third world since then. We are truly enriched by their presence. Thank you for your important role in getting Obama elected, an historic achievement. And thank you for no less than 13 Senators, all Democrats, who support him and help push his wise policies. Thank you for your vital role in the Russian Revolution, it couldnt have been done without you. Jacob Shiff’s gold, Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kaminev and the rest were essential in establishing the delightful regime that was the Soviet Union. But your generosity didnt stop there, as Semitic heroes gladly commanded the secret police for all of Stalin’s tenure, helping to establish law and order, and to eliminate at least 20 million Russians who were hooligans and so they obviously deserved it. Thank you also for your amazing over-representation in the pornography business. From Reuben Sturman, the ‘Walt Disney of Porn’ of the 70s to Steven Hirsch, founder and CEO of today’s largest pornography company, Jews help make the world a better place. For everything you have done for us and done to us, Europeans owe a debt to Jews we can hardly ever repay. Thanks again!!!

  55. Captainchaos on January 15th, 2010 2:26 pm

    I do not hold out much hope for your enlightenment on the issues concerning the preservation of the White race, Joel. I asked you earlier for a tad of introspection, hoping, I now see foolishly, that a Jew could have the manliness of the spirit to look inward with honesty upon his own emotional state and see that he is at present little better than a Pavlovian puppet. What you do – and make no mistake, this is all that you do – is vary your verbiage as the monotone of the bile you spew indiscriminately plays out like the scratching of nails across a chalk board for all eternity. Form but not content, process without insight, mindless hatred masquerading as moralizing, what else could be expected from a filth-rate Ashkenazic and a tenth-rate human being.

  56. johnUK on January 15th, 2010 4:20 pm

    @Andrew

    Well said although actually more respected Soviet historians like I think Robert W. Thurston put the number of those ordered to death under Stalin rule of no more than 1 million from Soviet archive material which includes actual guilty people and the highest death rate after the trails of Trotskyite Communists plot to overthrow the Soviet government under the NKVD control of Nikolai Ezhov who was later replaced by Beria due to excessive number of deaths.

    @Joel Stern

    “The breakup of the bastard entity known as Yugoslavia was an inexorable consequence of the megalomania of Slobodan Milosevich and his cabal of Serb chauvinists, who persecuted the majority Albainian population of Kosovo. The bastard entity met a well-deserved end, just like the abomination of the USSR, a prison-house of nations dominated by a Russian chauvinist clique of sclerotic dullards like Brezhnev and Andropov.”

    Milosevic did not persecute Kosovo Albanians western backed SAS trained Albanian terrorists started a terrorist campaign against the ethnic population of Kosovo which they were planning the Kosovo war in 1999 back in 98. That’s why they could not convict Milosevic on a single charge so they poisoned and killed him.

    Trail reports.

    http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/hague.htm

    Brezhnev was a Ukrainian with a Jewish wife and Andropov was Jewish just like Communism from its founders, to its leadership and financiers. In fact the Neocons are Trotskyite Jews.

    These states were created by Russia who were a loose collection of tribes used By the Ottoman Empire to raid neighbouring Russian settlement as part of the Ottoman slavery and sex slave industry and Russian settlers were present in the area before Russian “colonizers”.

    And when Khattab and Basayeav and there militias tried to ”liberate” the neighbouring Dagestan region they should them the barrels of there guns.

    Dr Dukes thesis which he got his PHD was based on his work Jewish Supremacism which heavily cites Jewish sources.
    And it is a legitimate PHD which his work had to go through a review panel.

    “Duke was convicted on several charges of tax evasion and mail fraud and served 16 months in a federal prison.”

    He was charged and convicted on Tax Charges by Michael Chertoff after going on Al Jazeera discussing possible Israeli involvement in the 9/11 attacks which included Chertoffs release of the 5 dancing Israelis from police custody in relation to 9/11.
    In prison his case was reviewed and revealed to have overpaid the IRS in tax.

    You never answered my question does the Jewish religion and organisations teach supremacism and racism against non-Jews?

  57. Joel Stern on January 15th, 2010 4:27 pm

    To Captain Chaos:
    If I’m a Pavlovian puppet, you’re a walking zombie dead from the neck up.
    If I’m a fith-rate Ashkenazi and a tenth-rate human being, at least I’m still a human being, who can read twenty languages and has a measured genius-level IQ. . You, on the other hand, don’t rise above the simian level of functioning at best, making sounds that mimic human speech but that are utterly devoid of logic. Indeed, your very moniker–Chaos–bespeaks your mental vapidity Nomen omen, as the Latin saying goes. You chose your nome de plume with unerring accuracy.
    As for Andrew, yes, we defintely have formed a mutual admiration (or shall I say, loathing) society. I do marvel at your intimate knowledge of the pornography industry and its workings, no doubt gained from your extensive collection of porn that you study intensively in all your copious spare time when not sousing with fellow skinheads at the local dive….
    I don’t feel mindless hate for you miserable emotional and mental cripples; as I said above, people like Chaos, Ranting Rob, John of UK, etc. are basically pathetic losers who are so consumed by their judeophobic monomania that their entire reality becomes a manichean universe of Aryan virtue (which they of course represent) and chthonic evil (the semitic principle embodied by the Jew). You are just parroting Alfred Rosenberg (I’m sure you have all studied his turgid works, of course); can’t you come up with something more original for a change? Your rants are beginning to sound like a broken record. Come on, you creative Aryans, think of something new!

  58. Rob on January 15th, 2010 4:32 pm

    “I actually have read portions of Duke’s magnum opus and found it to be stale, putrid, replsive rehash of hoary anti-semitic screeds by earlier crackpots like Rosenberg, Fritsche, and your psychopathic god Hitler. The same holds true for your “intellectual” guru MacDonald, who merely repackages hackneyed stereotypes in a new pseudo-scientific garb.”

    Which means that the lying filthy hook-nosed worm, Mr. intellectual honesty, has never read any of Duke’s or MacDonald’s work, because if it had, it would know that they cited personages like Rabbi Menachem Schneerson (chabad lubavitch), Menachem Begin, Freud, and the jews’ own newspapers and periodicals, and “religious” sources such as the talmud, kabbalah, etc. Typical [Jew] obfuscation and evasion. Oy, the truth would be so anti-semitic!

    “Christianity, which celebrates the life and resuurection of a circumcuised JEWISH RABBIi. Indeed, were it not for the civilizing influence of Judaeo-Christian civilization, fools and ignorant louts like you would still be wolrshipping phallic stones and running around in lice-infected bearskins, sacrificing captives (as the anicent Teutons were wont to do), and engaging in every other manner of sordid practices.”

    Really? you mean jews were responsible for the Teutonic tribes’ change of wardrobe? Jews weren’t sacrificing captives when they’d genocide entire tribes, including women, children, and their cattle because the bloodthirsty vindictive semitic archetype jahweh decreed and demanded it? As for Christianity, there likely was no Jesus, but the semitic “gift” of Christianity did lead to religious fanaticism in Europe which had previously not existed and to the inquisitions and crusades, and presently judeo-Christian zionism. Thanks much. The Greeks and Romans, this sub-human would have us believe, knew nothing about civilization and its arts until the wandering murderous desert vagabonds imparted it to them. Get it boys? It’s like something out of “They Live” or “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”. The parasite makes its way into the host, and eventually claims primacy and authorship of it. Never any mention by the parasite of its theft of its mythology and philosophy wholesale from people like Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks. Of course not. That, too, would be anti-semitic. Oy veeeeey!

    “…is but a projection of your own sexual and other perversions.”

    Really? So tell us, [Jew], what is the hang up your people have with scat? Sarah Silverman, Howard Stern, etc., it always comes down to piss and scat. You deviants tend to be fascinated by all things below the waist. Flatulence, masturbation, bodily orifices, these things seem to obsess your tribe. It always comes through, especially through jewish “humor”. As far as porn, it was Roth vs. United States in 1957 that opened the floodgates to this trash. See the online article Jews and Porn written by Nathan Abrams. The irony here is that by claiming it is our projection, it is you who are unwittingly projecting, again.

    ‘I just checked the spelling of the plural of “mulatoo” ‘

    Then you need to recheck the singular spelling of it as well, because you still haven’t gotten it right, inbred judaic clown.

  59. Rob on January 15th, 2010 4:44 pm

    “can’t you come up with something more original for a change? Your rants are beginning to sound like a broken record. Come on, you creative Aryans, think of something new!”

    The jewish psyche laid bare. Note how this creature sees debate as an attempt to one-up the opponent through sophistry. Facts are irrelevant. What is relevant is coming up with new embellishments.

  60. Joel Stern on January 15th, 2010 4:56 pm

    Here’s a new fact for you, Ranting Rob:
    John of UK claimed that Yuri Andropov was Jewish. I’ve found out that his father was of the Cossack nobility and his mother (nee Fleckenstein) was of Finnish-German origin. So much for the quality of John’s information –cribbed, no doubt, from Duke’s PhD thesis.
    My sophistry, RR, is still light years beyond the pathetic arsenal of arguments you have to dig out of your obtuse Aryan “mind”.

  61. Joel Stern on January 15th, 2010 5:15 pm

    To John of UK:
    As much as I would like to correct your misperception of Judaism and your entire manichean Weltanchaung, for that matter, you can see that I am heavily outnumbered on this blog and cannot spend every hour of the day checking and responding to every single argument oozing from the poison pens of the many authorites manque herein. I suggest, therefore, that you spare a moment from your study of Mein Kampf and the Myth of the Twentieth Century and betake yourself to the nearest synagogue. Have a heart-to-heart with the rabbi., show him your voluminous source materials and ask him to refute them. If he can’t prove that Judaism is not a supremacist religion to your complete satisfaction, you’ll know that your arguments have prevailed.

  62. Joel Stern on January 15th, 2010 5:29 pm

    Hm, RR, now I’m a hook-nosed worm and subhuman. More stereotypes from the same old medieval lexicon. Can’t you think of a more creative epirthet, you Aryan crackpot-scumbag-loser-schmuck in spades?
    Your madness is becoming every more palpable by the minute.
    Poor, miserable lunatic. I’m afraid the next stage for you is a psychiatric hospital, where you can spin your lurid fantasies to a committee of Jewish analysts (once you are safely trussed up in a straitjacket, of course).
    I never expected to find a stratospheric level of civility and intelligence when I entered this thread, but to find a foaming-at-the-mouth Nazi is a real learning experience.

  63. Fenrisulfr on January 15th, 2010 5:33 pm

    I am not in opposition to the Jews, rather, I am in opposition to what many of them do. There is significantly less mouth-frothing in the Libertarian/Austrian-school camp, I would advise pitching a tent there. That is where I will likely be heading myself, instead of this ‘via media’, if trends continue as they are, for one is often known by the company one keeps.

  64. Joel Stern on January 15th, 2010 5:52 pm

    Thnak you, Fenrisulfr, for a whiff of fresh air in the midst of this putrescent miasma.
    I cerrtainly wouldn’t deny for an instant that Jews have had their share of miscreants and monsters, but to demonize an entire group of people as evil subhumans is sheer lunacy. If I were to read a transcript of Ranting Rob’s fulminations to any psychiatrist in the country, the diagnosis would be swift and sure: clinical paranoia and sociopathy, with homicidal tendencies. The exact counterpart to the psychotic loser James Van Brunner who killed a guard at the Holocaust Museum last year. RR displays all the same traits of that isolated madman.
    You’re right, the time HAS come to pitch my tent somewhere else. There’s nothing to be gained from an exchange from potential homicidal maniacs except further mutual vituperation.

  65. Rob on January 15th, 2010 6:09 pm

    “I never expected to find a stratospheric level of civility and intelligence when I entered this thread, but to find a foaming-at-the-mouth Nazi is a real learning experience.”

    …..cried the poor persecuted sheenie, after he initiated the ad hominems on JohnUK who made the mistake of believing that a jew could actually remain civil and have a fact-based level-headed debate without resorting to personal attacks and generalizations about Aryan “crackpots”. Oy, the inhumanity!

    The jew cries out in pain as he kicks you.

  66. Mike Conner on January 15th, 2010 6:40 pm

    Going forward, we could use a little more light and a little less heat from all sides, please. If there are any additional reasonable points to be made, let’s make them civilly.

  67. johnUK on January 15th, 2010 7:10 pm

    @Joel Stern

    “Here’s a new fact for you, Ranting Rob:
    John of UK claimed that Yuri Andropov was Jewish. I’ve found out that his father was of the Cossack nobility and his mother (nee Fleckenstein) was of Finnish-German origin. So much for the quality of John’s information –cribbed, no doubt, from Duke’s PhD thesis.”

    Where did you get that nonsense from?

    “The Russian newspaper Itogi alleged that KGB chief and Soviet leader Yuri Andropov forged his biography to climb the communist party’s ladder.

    Recently declassified secret files of Andropov showed that he “adapted” his biography to the demands of the Bolshevik times—he made himself a son of an Ossetian proletarian, while he was actually from a rich bourgeoisie family, probably with Jewish roots. At the beginning, Andropov, according to the files, was not very accurate while inventing his family’s “proletarian” past. He was questioned at least four times in the 1930s because of the discrepancies in several forms he filled.

    Each and every time he managed to fool commissions that checked his background. The final version of his biography stated that he was the son of a railway official and was probably born in Nagutskoye, Stavropol Guberniya, Russia. But as the top secret archives showed, Andropov was born into a wealthy Jewish family—the Fleckensteins in Moscow. His family, which allegedly arrived in Russia from Finland, may have been dealing in jewelry and watches, and suffered from “pogroms” during WWI. One of the most interesting details is that Andropov (whose first name originally was Grigory and not Yuri), was born only a few hundred meters from the Lubyanka—the Soviet (and now Russian) secret police headquarters in Moscow, Itogi reports”

    http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Yuri_Andropov

    “On the whole, as I said, there was very little known, even to the best informed intellectuals, about the new General Secretaryґs background at the time of his rise to power. Absolutely in the spirit of a closed society, Andropovґs Jewish origins were kept secret until late into the Perestroika years. It then came out that his father, Vladimir Liberman, had changed his name to Andropov after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution, which helped his sonґs career a great deal in view of the anti-Semitism widespread in the Soviet Union since Stalinґs later years in power. His mother, Evgenia Faynshteyn (Flekenshteyn, according to other sources), died when Andropov was still a little boy.”

    http://rbth.ru/articles/2009/02/18/180209_andropov.html

  68. Captainchaos on January 15th, 2010 9:00 pm

    Joel, I’ll say it again, and for the last time, if anything, you are a mirror image of what you accuse ‘Aryan supremacists’ of being: superficially acquainted with the facts of the matter as you ride your merry-go-round of rapid-fire verbal shellacking more interested in one-upmanship than arriving at mutual understanding – race on the brain, race on the brain twenty-four-seven. Manic much? OCD ever?

  69. Joel Stern on February 4th, 2010 11:58 am

    To Captain Chaos:
    What “mutual understanding” are you speaking of, when bottom-feeders and sociopaths like Ranting Rob proceed from the a-priori premise that Jews are inherently a subhuman species genetically programmed to destroy the societies in which they live? There can be no possibility of rapprochment or co-existence with a raving lunatic who characterizes entire groups of people–a great many of whom have far surpassed him in learning, professional accomplishments, and other valuable qualities–as “maggots,” “vermin,” “sheenies,” “kikes,” and .”foul runts,”. The plain truth of the matter is, Ranting Rob and his ilk are pathetic losers whose sole consolation is their supposedly superior “haplotype,” which they trumpet to the world ad nauseum in an unceasing attempt to mask their deep-seated sense of taintedness or nferiority– much as Hitler, Heydrich, Theodore Bilbo, Himmler, Goebbels, Matt Hale, Kevin Alfred Strom, and others did by founding or joining a mass movement that gave them a feeling of power that they themselves did not invwardly possess. The mechanism of this psychological compensation is well described in “The Psychopathic God” by Professor Robert Waithe and in “The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness” by Dr. Eric Fromm.

    To John of UK: Unless you can prove by DNA evidence that Andropov had Jewish antecdents, I will stand by my assertion that your claim is a canard. Your citing of KGB files and other so-called secret documentation as conclusive evidence is about on the same intellectual level as the perverted J. Edgar Hoover’s paranoid smearing of his enemies during his tenure as head of the FBI.
    A final remark to Ranting Rob: Your constant fetid steam of drivel about Jewish “vermin,” “sheenies,” “kikes, “maggots,” etc. is far more reflective of the loathsome state of your “consciousness” (I use that term VERY loosely here to describe your cognitive process, to the extent I can discern one) than of the target of your invective. As Anais Nin aptly pointed out,” We perceive people not as they are, but as we are.” The reeking manure that pervades every particle of your being will lead you inexorably one day to murder, suicide, or madness–just as in the case of another isolated lunatic, James Van Brunn.

  70. Mike Conner on February 4th, 2010 2:40 pm

    I see that some stuff got through the filters that shouldn’t have. Moving forward, all comments containing racial epithets or profanity will be summarily deleted without a moment’s hesitation. Please be advised.

    Please read the Guidelines.

    That said, I have to admit that I find it remarkable that anyone would declare “no possibility of rapprochment or co-existence” with people who engage in name-calling. If you can’t make peace with people who merely call you names, who can you make peace with? I’m guessing nobody.

  71. johnUK on February 4th, 2010 3:16 pm

    @Joel Stern

    “Unless you can prove by DNA evidence that Andropov had Jewish antecdents, I will stand by my assertion that your claim is a canard. Your citing of KGB files and other so-called secret documentation as conclusive evidence is about on the same intellectual level as the perverted J. Edgar Hoover’s paranoid smearing of his enemies during his tenure as head of the FBI.”

    Secret KGB archive material so I would seriously doubt it is doctored.
    If that is the case then you might as well dismiss all we know about USSR history if we are to dismiss declassified archive material.

    Not that it really matters though as I could point out all the other senior Communist officials/commissars who were either Jewish or had Jewish wives including the founder of Marxism Karl Marx and mass murderer Red Army founder Leon Trotsky and Vladimir Lenin ¼ Jewish as well as all the post war Soviet satellite states.

    “I don’t care what becomes of Russia. To hell with it. All this is only the road to a World Revolution.”

    Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov] (1870 – 1924), First Leader of the Soviet Union – 1918

    Also cite the number of Trotskyite Jewish Communists in the West in Europe and the US like the Marx brothers Peter and Christpoher Hitchens, Bernard Kouchner French PM, most of the senior Neocons, etc.

  72. Rob on February 4th, 2010 5:42 pm

    ‘As Anais Nin aptly pointed out,” We perceive people not as they are, but as we are.’

    Now apply that principle to the collective jewish psyche as revealed by your own bloody “religious” holidays, “religious” writings in the talmud and the zohar, and epithets you employ when, for example, jews refer to our women as “shiksas”, meaning “tainted meat” or “abominations”. Then you’ll begin to gain an understanding as to why for 2000 years your people have been rejected from every society it’s ever infested. Ever sitting in judgment and demanding soul searching of others, but never from yourselves. You’re your own worst enemies. Anti-semitism has always been and will forever remain a gentile defense mechanism against jewish predation and anti-gentilism. This thing between our peoples is going to end as it always has and is destined to be, conclusively. Bank on it.

  73. Captainchaos on February 4th, 2010 10:37 pm

    Here’s a bit of “understanding” that could potentially be “mutual,” Joel, in that I already understand it and only await you getting the point: with incessant hyperbole comes a corresponding loss of nuance. Other than that, as you were, and keep pumping that iron.

  74. Joel Stern on March 9th, 2010 11:51 am

    To Ranting Rob:

    The only thing that I am “banking on,” as you put it, is your inevitable descent into madness, murder of suicide–the same fate that befell your fellow crackpots, losers, and degenerates such as James Van Brunn, Himmler, Evin Alfred Strom, Ezra Pound, and Robert Matthews, who entertained apocalyptic delusions similar to yours.
    The anti-semitism that you characterized as a defense mechanism against “Jewish depredation” is rather a familiar paranoid mechanim that overcomes the masses when they cannot lidentify the source of their economic and social distress.. Just as in the Middle Ages, when igorant peasants blamed witches and Jews for plagues that arose from their own filthy hygienic practices, so in modern times various demogogic crackpots and losers such as Hitler, William Pierce, Theodore Bilbo, G.L. Rockwell, and their slimy cohorts ascribed social breakdown and malaise to Jewish conspirators in the government, media, entertainment industry, and countless other areas. Whereas the real cause for the delcine of your moribund civilization lies in your own greed, stupidity, and violence (inflicted not only on non-Western peoples but on yourselves in your own European homelands for many centuries).
    What goes around comes around, The immeasurable pillage, genocide, rapine, enslavement, and environmental havoc wrought by gentile invaders over the millenia (from the time of the Aryan conquet of India to the current Russian subjugaton of the heroic Caucasian peoples) in every corner of the globe are now returning to the European continent. If you are succumbing to this onslaught, it is not the Jews who are at fault, but rather the gentile political and corporate leadership who bled your natons in wars for lebensraum in Europe and colonial empires abroad.
    For the few of you who are functionally literate, I would recommend reading Spenglers’ “Decline of the West,” Lothrop Stoddard’s “Risng Tide of Color,” or Madison Grant’s “Passing of the Great Race.” They laid out the scenario for your civilizational demise nearly a century ago.

    A final note to John of UK:

    I am touched by your solicitude for the victims of communism. I still fail to note, however, the slightest concern on your part for the millions of Muslims in Central Asia, the Caucasus, and the Balkans who have been oppressed, if not actually exterminated, by Eruopean interlopers over the past several centuries.
    I also fail to perceive any concern on your part for the numerous vicinms of fascist and nazi barbarity in Abyssinia and Eastern Europe before and during the Second World War, all massacred in the name of an anti-Bolshevist crusade but actaully as part of a plan to establish a new imperial order at the expense of the native population. But I wouldn’t expect this realization to dawn upon the consicousness of an intellectual pygmy.

  75. Joel Stern on March 9th, 2010 12:07 pm

    To Mike Conner:

    I have absoltutely no desire for rapprochement or co-existence with a raving ignoramus (in this case, Ranting Rob) who proceeds from the insane premise that Jews ipso facto are subhuman vermin. This is not mere “name-calling,” as you put it, but wholesale demonization that leads inexorably to mass murder. Similarly, John of UK stupidly characterizes the entire Chcechen people as criminals or white-slave traffickers, giving him a convenient pretext to justify Russian subjguation and extermination of Chechens (and other Muslim peoples of the Caucasus) over the past two centuries.
    Mutual understanding is not possible with violence-prone paranoids who deny one’s very right to existence. We are not dealing here with puerile insullts, but explicit threats. And you can bank on it, Ranting Rob or other skinhead superman, if you ever try to carry out your delusional fantasies in person, it will be the last thing you ever do in your miserable life.

  76. Mike Conner on March 9th, 2010 1:41 pm

    Folks, if the VoR comment sections are going to remain open at all, I have no choice but to enforce a higher level of civility from everyone.

    @Rob: I had to delete your last comment. Your comment was EXACTLY the sort of angry response that Stern is trying to provoke from us, in order to rationalize his own anti-White mindset to the more general audience (yes, they’re out there, always). We must not allow ourselves to be so easily manipulated in that fashion.

    @Joel Stern: You’ve made your points. I’ve allowed your last two posts to stand, but be advised no further personal attacks will be tolerated on this Web site. Tone down the rhetoric to a civil level if you have anything else to say.

  77. Mishko Novosel on March 9th, 2010 2:37 pm

    Joel Stern, VoR does not, and has never condoned violence. However we do allow a certain amount of free speech, for better or worse. You’ve done a bit of name calling yourself so people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

    Personally, I will say that it’s irresponsible to think that all jews are bad and evil, just as it’s irresponsible to think that all white people are good and to be admired. However, that being said, as a group of people your tribe works overtime to undermine ALL white nations via multiculturalism, diversity, immigration and usury. While at the same time doing the polar opposite in Israel.

    I do find it commendable that you’re attempting to defend your people, and as a jew you should, but let’s be honest here, their actions are indefensible. If the jews continue on the path they’re going, I suspect there’ll be an actual pogram that even GOD will say, “wow”. This is in by no means a threat, but when the jews throw caution into the wind like they’ve done, they’ll ultimately reap what they sow. Each and every action has a reaction. You and I know what YOUR people do in the financial system, in the media, in politics, and nothing that they do is in the interests of white people. Jews hate whites, and based on the actions of the jews, it’s pretty obvious.

    Just so you get an understanding of the future of your people. Nationalism is growing at an astronomical rate these days, and whites are starting to have pride in their race after being brow beaten by the jews for over 40 years. As an example, look at VoR. I’d venture to guess that by the end of March we’ll have about 150,000 downloads per week, that’s 600,000 per month, which translates to 7.2 million per year. We’re waking people up to the deeds of your people in a big way, and you can’t stop us. The biggest problem that we have right now is that amount of people that want to talk to us, that want to go on record.

    I really do wish you the best and would love to have you do an interview on VoR sometime in the future. I suspect that after a few minutes of hearing the sound of white man that knows the past and present you’d start name calling and your bowels would explode. But if you’re game, send me a message, mishko.novosel@yahoo.com.

    All the best,

    Mishko

    BTW – After being forced out every nation over the past 2,000 years, maybe, just maybe your people might actually take a step back and say, “Maybe it’s us”.

  78. Joel Stern on March 9th, 2010 2:53 pm

    To Mike Conner:

    Yes, I have something else to say.
    Contrary to your absurd assertion, I have no “anti-white” agenda to purvey. Early on in this thread I expressed my support for the concept of ethnostates and the right of every ethnic group to preserve its genetic and cultural identity, no matter if I personally abhor its practices. Accordingly, I endorse the right of white nationalists to segregate themselves in their own enclaves and venerate their own gods (or haplotype, as the case may be). I likewise endorse the right of Muslims in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kosovo, etc. to break away from their oppressors, the right of Basques to secede from Spain if they so desire, and he right of Kurds, Tibetans, and Uighurs to form their own ethnic states free of alien oppression..
    What I do take issue with, however, is the effort by certain unsavory individuals on the lunatic fringe here (whom I shall leave unnamed, to satisfy your requirement of civility) to demonize entire groups of human beings as subhuman vermin and to threaten them with extermination for the sake of some delustional utopia, which they dream of to compensate for their own miserable existence in the real world. I have cited numerous examples of this familiar compensatory mechanism, and the point need not be belabored further. The clinical and sociological studies are readily available for anyone whose mind is sufficiently open and mature to grasp this elementary process of paranoid ideation.
    If you believe that by refuting puerile, primitive, fallacious stereotypes of a “collective semitic psyche<’ I am championing some “anti-white” cause, that is your own misperception, one which is beyond my power to change. If any of you wish to continue beliveing in the delusionon of a racially pure “judenrein” utopia (to achieve this goal you will have to jettison not only numerous Jewish cultural contributions but EVERY scientific and medical achievement by Jews, including nuclear bombs and the polio vaccine, inter alia), that doesn’t concern me in the least.–as long as your morbid fantasies aren’t translated into acts of physical violence Then you will be likely to suffer the same fate that befell James Van Brun, Matt Hale, and other pathetic losers who facied themselvfes Aryan avatars.

  79. Rob on March 9th, 2010 3:09 pm

    “If you believe that by refuting puerile, primitive, fallacious stereotypes of a “collective semitic psyche’ I am championing some “anti-white” cause, that is your own misperception,

    “Whereas the real cause for the delcine of your moribund civilization lies in your own greed, stupidity, and violence (inflicted not only on non-Western peoples but on yourselves in your own European homelands for many centuries)”

    Nothing anti-white in the above statement….nothing at all.

    And yet as he himself admits, it is “our” civilization and its demise he gloats about, while he and millions of jews like himself inexplicably choose to squat among us for all of our horrible attributes. No hypocrisy there though.

  80. Joel Stern on March 9th, 2010 3:15 pm

    Mishko Novosel:

    First of all, Jews have not been forced out of EVERY nation; the Danes, Finns, and Bulgarians bravely protected their Jewish fellow-citiaens from deportations to death camps in World War Two, and the Italian Army also protected Jews in the areas it occupied. It is also my understanding that even Francisco Franco helped shelter thousands of Jews who fled from persecution in Vichy France.
    I am not defending all actions by my ethnic group not condemning every aspect of traditional European culture. I don’t beleive in Jewish supremacism or Aryan superiority; they are both pernicious myths that lead to wholesale discrimination, if not worse.
    Lastly, in regard to your comment regarding two thousand years of expulsion of Jews, I can easily pose the same question to you: do you think it was an accident that white colonizers were either slaughtered en masse (e.g. in Haiti) or driven violently out of the many dozens of countries they overran like locusts in every corner of the world (e.g. the Portuguese in Angola and Mozambique, the Italians in Libya and Abyssinia, the French in Indochina and Algieria, the Dutch in Indonesia, the Spanish in South and Central America, the Boers in South Africa, etc.)? It always amazes me to hear the whining of white nationalists about their dispossession in Europe, North America, and Australia (allegedly incited by conspiratorial Jews), but their own centuries-long enslavement, pillage, rapine, and ourright extermination of countless millions of native peoples is conveiently glossed over in their Aryan hagiogrpahy, if not explictily praised. Read the nineteenth-century “Manifest Destiny” tracts, Arthur Kemp’s :”March of the Titans,” or Houston S. Chamberlain’s “Foundation of the Nineteenth Century” for jsut a few random examples of ideologues “working overtime” to justify colonial exploitation and outright genocide on the basis of spurious racial doctrines.

  81. Joel Stern on March 9th, 2010 3:33 pm

    To Rob:

    There was absolutely nothing “ANTI-WHITE” in my accurate statement that over the past millenia, both the pagan and Christain peoples of Europe have been engaged in mass slaughter of their ethnic kiin, as evern the most cursory knowledge of European history will show. Suffice it to mention the Ronman extinction of Etruscans, the Spartan enslavement of their fellow-Greed helots, the wholesale extermination of the Balts and Slavs by Teutonic Knights, the mass relgion-based slaughters in the Thirty Years’ War, the tens of millions of people uprooted and butchered in the First and Seocnd World Wars, the Viking depedations in England, Ireland, Italy, etc. The lsit could be extended indefinitely (without even mentioning the depredations of clolonial oppressors outside of Europe). All this carnage took place, is historcailly documented, and can be ascribed not to Jewish cabals, but to the greed and incompetence of your ruling elties of impeccable royal “Aryan” lineage.
    As I pointed out previously, I neither gloat or grieve voer your civilizational crisis; I simply repeat many of the same points raised in earlier words such as “Passing of the Great Race,” “The Rising Tide of Color,” and “”Decline of the West,” (all of which I have read, by the way).

  82. 060091 on March 9th, 2010 3:59 pm

    Joel,

    You’ve made a lot of good points. But I still fear for our people. I fear current trends will persist and there will be much more than just the demise of our race, as in like of old age, but the outright murder of our race. Europeans of the past, for all of their achievements, did become greedy and over zealous in their ambitions and pursuits of glory, but I believe every generation of Whites since the civil rights movement has gone out of their way to atone for the sins of their ancestors. People that had absolutely nothing to do with the plight of anyone.

    When you talk about European conquests and cruelty, you’re not saying anything that hasn’t been said a hundred million times. You’re not saying anything that isn’t beaten into kid’s heads in our public schools, or by the entertainment industry and media. And, in fact, whether it’s all 100% true or not, no matter how exaggerated, it’s still what nonwhites refer to as “hate speech”. It incite hatred for our race to growing numbers of nonwhites while we decline.

    This isn’t a good recipe for the future.

  83. Rob on March 9th, 2010 4:14 pm

    Right. You totally downplay the role of jewish media and financial elites, jewish subversive movements and political lobbies, while laying everything at the feet of whites with their “moribund” civilization and greed and violence, all in the spirit of detached objective discourse. Uh huh. And the jew’s chutzpah probably allows him to do it all with a straight face, expecting from past experience that the gullible goyim will believe yet another “big lie”.

    You’re keen to repeat that “our” civilization is “moribund”, but absolutely refuse to admit any role “your” kinsmen have had in this state of affairs. You’ve also been unwilling to say why it is when you hold “our” civilization in such disdain, you continue to live among us. I doubt you live among Chechens or any of those other “heroic” peoples whose virtues you extoll in the face of white western imperialist aggression.

  84. Joel Stern on March 9th, 2010 4:28 pm

    to the prevous poster (060091?)

    Sir, I appreciate the thoughtful and rcourteous tone of your comments, which, believe it or not, I basicaly agree with. I have no persoanl animus against European civilization, per se, but admire many of its accomplishments and would consider it a great tragedy were it to disapper altogether or be submerged in a mishmash of hostile and alien cultures. I would not have studied some 20 European languages and devoted myself to ta career in translation if I were the “anti-white” fanatic some here have accused me of being.
    Let me recapitulate– I do support the right of every civilziation created by a specific race or ethnic group to preserve its unique identity, no matter what my personal views of it may be. I realzie that many Jews would disagree with this position, but I have an independent mind and am capable of drawing my own conclusions from history and observation of current events, which indicates that pell-mell multicultralism and so-called diverrsity, like conmunism, can never been realized on a large scale without massive socioeconomicl upheavals.
    The BNP and similar national movements are fighting for a legitimate cause, and I believe that Jews can find a rightful place in European societies as long as they respect native tcultural and religious traditions. This is not impossible, as long as the lunatic fringe on both sides remains marginalzied.

  85. Joel Stern on March 9th, 2010 4:42 pm

    To Rob:

    I live in the West because the great majority of the gentiles whom I know are not obsessed with my genetic makeup and judge me on my merits as an individual. I have no desire to live among Chechens, Kosovars, Somalis, Kurds, Uighurs, or other peoples whose religious beleifs and cultural traditions are totally alien to me, but I do believe those ethnies have a perfect right to their own ethnostates, free of Slavic, Chinese, or any other intruders.
    If I point out the ciris faced by your civiilizqtion–to recapitulate a point I have made constantly on this blog–this is only the view represented by palaeoconservatives such as Pat Buchanan and Jared Taylor, who observe a similar process underway. It is not the Jews who initiated this process, or are they the main players (although i won’t deny there are some who have played a part). A very large role in the alteration of yur culture belonngs to Christan churches and the corporate fascist elite, which eeks to destroy the productive middle class through outsourcing and importation of cheap Third Wrold labor. You might want to focus on those malefactors, rather than tarring an entire ethnic group with a broad brush of subversion.

  86. Rob on March 9th, 2010 5:10 pm

    “but I do believe those ethnies have a perfect right to their own ethnostates, free of Slavic, Chinese, or any other intruders.”

    “The BNP and similar national movements are fighting for a legitimate cause, and I believe that Jews can find a rightful place in European societies as long as they respect native tcultural and religious traditions.”

    Uh huh…so those groups you mention can be free of intruders and alien influences, but we Europeans need to allow jews to find a rightful place within our societies? And who decided this? And who would be the final arbiter of what “jews’ rightful place” would be?

    “It is not the Jews who initiated this process, or are they the main players (although i won’t deny there are some who have played a part).”

    Correction: though jews may not have initiated some of these processes, they very much are the main players today who have run with the ball in a big way. You’ve exacerbated whatever issues we might have had. A while back you dismissed Kevin MacDonald”s work in such a way that it was obvious you’re not even familiar with it. Yet I have to wonder again, if you’re set on downplaying the jewish role in our malaise, who would be the arbiter of what is the jews’ proper role in our societies? You? And who decided you should have a role in our lands in the first place, when we want precisely what the people you’ve ennumerated above have- the right to self-determination in ethno-states free of alien influence? Ethno-state for Chechens free of alien influence and intruders good. But European ethno-states need to make room for jews? Who says? And what if we don’t agree?

  87. johnUK on March 9th, 2010 5:19 pm

    @Joel Stern

    “I am touched by your solicitude for the victims of communism. I still fail to note, however, the slightest concern on your part for the millions of Muslims in Central Asia, the Caucasus, and the Balkans who have been oppressed, if not actually exterminated, by Eruopean interlopers over the past several centuries.

    When did this happen?

    Funny because if I remember history it is the Mongol through mass invasion went westward killing and enslaving the inhabitants before the various heroic Russian uprisings deposed the Mongol Empire.

    Or perhaps you talking about the Ottoman affiliated groups and there expansion into Europe and the Caucasus who were involved in the centuries of armed raids and slavery of men, women and children in Southern Russia (men were put into traditional slavery, women Ottoman Empire harem sex slave industry which continues to this day, and their children forced to be raised as a Muslim).

    Or how your Bosnian and Chechen hero’s SS divisions fought for the Nazis in WW2 in the Balkans along with Muslims in the Middle East with a failed attempt to capture Southern Russia and the Caspian oil basin in Azerbaijan. The exact same thing is happening today.

    “For the past 10 years, the most senior leaders of al Qaeda have visited the Balkans, including bin Laden himself on three occasions between 1994 and 1996. The Egyptian surgeon turned terrorist leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri has operated terrorist training camps, weapons of mass destruction factories and money-laundering and drug-trading networks throughout Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey and Bosnia. This has gone on for a decade. Many recruits to the Balkan wars came originally from Chechnya, a jihad in which Al Qaeda has also played a part.”
    -Wall Street Journal, Europe 2001

    “I also fail to perceive any concern on your part for the numerous vicinms of fascist and nazi barbarity in Abyssinia and Eastern Europe before and during the Second World War, all massacred in the name of an anti-Bolshevist crusade but actaully as part of a plan to establish a new imperial order at the expense of the native population. But I wouldn’t expect this realization to dawn upon the consicousness of an intellectual pygmy.”

    Is it not the Jewish groups and people like George Soros who helped install the Orange revolution crowd affiliated with various WW2 Nazi groups and departing President Yuchenko gave Stephen Bandera the Hero of Ukraine accolade and promote WW2 era Nazi groups in the Baltics and Ukraine?

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article30079.html

  88. Rob on March 9th, 2010 5:20 pm

    “I have no desire to live among Chechens, Kosovars, Somalis, Kurds, Uighurs, or other peoples whose religious beleifs and cultural traditions are totally alien to me,”

    BTW, let’s not pretend that jews are somehow culturally and religiously a better fit for White gentile societies than for others, except for the fact that white people’s racial instincts are not up to snuff and are far easier to exploit by the jewish predatory nature because of whites’ ridiculous degree of outgroup altruism. If anything, the fact that jews see the christ figure as a heretic who tried to lead the children of israel would indicate the opposite.

  89. Mishko Novosel on March 9th, 2010 6:12 pm

    JohnUK, FYI there was never a Bosnia until NATO created it out of thin air. Bosnia is the stolen lands of both Croatia and Serbia. Just nitpicking.

  90. johnUK on March 9th, 2010 8:50 pm

    @Mishko Novosel

    Yes I know that what is classified as Bosnia is a result of Turkish Ottoman expansion and the forced conversion of ethnic Serbs and Croats.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcCFJAfLTJE

    The Bosnian president in his Islamic declaration outlined he wanted to create an Islamic state and Ottoman Turkish reference fully supported by the west and the Neocons, Soros and international Jewish groups Simon Wiesenthal, ADL, etc.

    It’s interesting what is happening now in Bosnia talk about a new civil war and the upcoming Karadicz trail.

    I posted RT videos on another comment section about the Croats and Serbs preparing to split if the Bosnian Muslims try something.

    I t would be good if you would cover Bosnia or the Balkans in general in a future show the background how foreign intervention basically help start the wars, how the US and other countries helped and worked with Osama Bin Ladin, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian VAVEK (intelligence) and every other Islamic terror group on the planet with the Bosnian government to help Islamic terrorists in Bosnia and create a European network, Bosnian links to 9/11 and every other terrorist attack including the first 93 WTC bombing.

    It would be good if you could get Tom Sunic on to go over some of the background and what is happening now in Bosnia if there is any talk in Croatia about it.

  91. johnUK on March 9th, 2010 10:44 pm

    @Joel Stern

    But Jews do organise and lobby on their behalf for there own self interest like the Iraq war or protection of the former mafia Jewish Oligarchs of Russia (Berezovsky,Guisinky, Nevzlin, etc) most being citizens of Israel and the senior shareholders being foreign Jews (Jacob Rothschild who actually owned YUKOS owning majority shareholder stake and forwarded the money to Mikhail Khoderkovsky future YUKOS CEO to set up the rigged auction and by up state assets at fire sale prices creating the YUKOS oil and gas company and Henry Kissinger ).

    Worse is that the Oligarch Jews in Russia along with there international brethren conspired with Islamic militants to carve out an Islamic separatist states in the Southern Caucasus starting with Chechnya and using that as a base to destabilise the whole region so they can control the Caspian oil and gas basin and energy and exclusive exports to the EU.

    Jews are white are they not and no different from the native population? In fact they constitute an elite group.

    So you would support Serbs in Kosovo if they choose to break from Kosovo once the 200,000 are re-integrated back into Kosovo and they kick out Albanians back to Albania.

    Why do you object from Kashmir separating from India?

    Is there an historical requirement for people to break apart and become an independent state like actually being a country which Chechnya, Bosnia and Kosovo never were?

    Because if we were allowed groups of people to create there own state there we would be about a million countries in the world today and the world would be totally ungovernable.

    @Rob

    I doubt you live among Chechens or any of those other “heroic” peoples whose virtues you extoll in the face of white western imperialist aggression.

    Yes if he was a Jew living in Bosnia, Kosovo or Chechnya he would not be so willing to support the “heroic” cause as Jews along with every other non-Kosovar and Chechen were ethnically cleansed from the region and attacks against Jews in neighbouring Dagestan region.

  92. Joel Stern on March 10th, 2010 6:44 am

    To Rob, John of UK et al:

    Since I am heavily outnumbered on this blog and cannot possibly find the time to respond individually and in detail to all the slurs about the inherent “Jewish predatory nature” (which is particualry outrageous in view of the worldwide rapine, pillage, genocide, enslavement, and environmental havoc perpetuated by Western colonizers in every corner of the world over the millenia) and the alleged Jewish participation in multifarious conspiracies to destabilize Western civiliaztion (which, as I have pointed out at length and repeatedly, has largely self-destructed thorugh its own internal blood-letting fomented by gentile rulers intent on lebensraum, personal glory and self- aggrandizement to compendsate for their own pathologies, I refer you again to the studies I have cited in my previous postings, which shed light on the origin of your civilizational crisis.
    And to John of UK: Yes, indeed, I do favor the independence of Kashmir and any other entity if the majority of the population therein so desires. Whether such entity has ever been a “state” in the formal sense makes absolutely no difference whatsoever, inasmuch as such legalistic abstractons are devised by conquerors and such laws are written by the powers that be to justify their own dominant position..
    A last remark for Rob: I as a Jew have as much right to live in the West as a person of German descent has the right to live in the United States, which was not originally a Teutonic homeland. Did Anglo-Saxon settlers request the ;permissions of the Indians to settle in their ancestral territories? If you seek to expel all persons of Jewish ancestry from your midst, I hope you will be consistent enough in your logic to advocate the expatration of all European interllpers from all the land in Norjth and South America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the Caucasus, and Central Asia that they have invaded, despoiled, and colonized for several thousand years, displacing and exterminating the autochthonous populations.

  93. Joel Stern on March 10th, 2010 9:32 am

    A few last comments for today:
    To Mishko Novosel:
    You graciously nvited me to do an interview for VOR so that I could “hear the sound of white man” (whatever that nebulous concept may connote).
    I gladly take up your offer, provided that my interlocutor be proven genuinely “white” through meticulous DNA testing (conducted, of course, by a scientist who has a demonstrated Aryan lineage) in order to rule out any possiblity that he or she is absolutely free of any non-European taint. I’m sure that you and your erudite fellow bloggers are well aware that over the past several millenia, as a result of “Aryan” invasions of far-flung territories all over the globe, your conquering ancestors thoughtlessly engaged in “blutschande” with the various swarthy breeds with whom they came in contact (witness the consequences of their imprudence—the teeming rainbow-hued populations of India and Brazil, the swarms of coloreds in South Africa, the mulattos of North America and the Caribbean Basin, the Tatar-Slavic mischlings in Russia and Central Asia, the unknown millions of Greeks, Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese, South Slavs, and Rumanians who labor under a horrendous burden of Turkish, Gypsy,, Jewish, and other Levantine admixtures, the Hungarians, who also carry a dubious genetic brew from their eastern steppe nomadic homeland, and even some Scandinavians, who have no doubt absorbed a number of genes from their Lap neighbors (a distninctly non-European volk). I shudder to think how many of these crypto-Jews not to mention crypto-Bantus, (East Asians, Gypsies, Turks, Amerinds, Arabs, primitive Finno-Ugrics, etc.etc.) may be masquerading as white patriots and even sleeping with your kinsmen, thereby perepetuating their taint in the European genome–perhaps even in your own bloodline!
    So, Volksgenossen, I repeat the call I made a number of weeks ago: if you want to be worthy spokesmen and spokeswomen of your movement, “Echtarier,” please reassure me of your racial purity. Otherwise, your message will be fatally compromised.

    And a riposte for John of UK:

    You say that a plethora of ehtnostates would make the world “ungovernable.” The logical response would be: Why does the world need to be “govenred” at all?” Why can’t the individual peoples and ethnic groups be left free to govern themselves, in accordance with the principle of free association that is invariably invoked by advocates of racial separation to justify their cause? And fi the world in fact needs to be governed, whom will you designate as the overarching authority? Would you reconsitutte the British, French, Russian, Spanish, Portuguese, and other western empires to oversee the dusky breeds in other lands? Those empires self-destructed through destructive colonial and intra-European strife; I frankly don’t believe that they can serve as a worthy model for the harmoniously governed fantasy land that you envisage.

  94. Rob on March 10th, 2010 3:18 pm

    “A last remark for Rob: I as a Jew have as much right to live in the West as a person of German descent has the right to live in the United States, which was not originally a Teutonic homeland. Did Anglo-Saxon settlers request the ;permissions of the Indians to settle in their ancestral territories? If you seek to expel all persons of Jewish ancestry from your midst, I hope you will be consistent enough in your logic to advocate the expatration of all European interllpers from all the land in Norjth and South America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the Caucasus, and Central Asia that they have invaded, despoiled, and colonized for several thousand years, displacing and exterminating the autochthonous populations.”

    In other words, you tacitly admit above that you jews are yourselves conquerors and despoilers of our homelands. You’re admitting that you’re not going to bother yourselves with our permission to live among us and will persist in manipulating us in doing so. As such, we have every right and intention to resist you, whether you like it or not. You have no moral leverage over us, no matter how you try to finagle it. And even IF it were conceded that your logic holds true (which it doesn’t, because even though you’ve tried to couch your argument in terms of some sort of moral legitimacy, it amounts to no more than might is right) with regard to lands conquered outside of Europe, it doesn’t apply to Europe itself. In the European homeland, it is you who are the despoilers, colonizers, displacers, conquerors, and yes, by your media and political promotion of multiculturalism and race-replacement of White Europeans, also its exterminators. It is a right and a duty of all racially aware Europeans to resist you tooth and nail.

  95. Rob on March 10th, 2010 3:28 pm

    “I hope you will be consistent enough in your logic to advocate the expatration of all European interllpers from all the land in Norjth and South America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the Caucasus, and Central Asia that they have invaded,”

    BTW, many of the Turkic central Asians are not indigenous to their regions either and came from much further east originally. By your logic, they should have no more moral legitimacy to their territory than the Russians who incorporated parts of their territory. Ditto some of the Caucasus people and South African tribes like the Zulu, as well as the Indian tribes on the American continent that richly slaughtered and displaced each other far before the white Euros ever arrived. So how far do you want to take your specious argument? Basically, your argumentation would allow for jews to weasel themselves into Japan as well, because originally, way back when, the Yamato mongoloids from the Korean Peninsula invaded and conquered the resident Ainu tribes. So now they have no more moral right to Japan than you jews do? Your arguments amount to nothing more than a [flame deleted], as someone on another forum would say.

  96. Joel Stern on March 10th, 2010 4:17 pm

    To Rob:

    No, I am ot going to bother requesting permission from you or any other [flame deleted] for anything, either for my place of residence or my right to exist. Your anthropology is just as delirious and skewed as every other argument you have made thus far is your manic ravings, (e.g. “[flame deleted]“–sheer inooherent gibberish typical of your ilk). I had expected that such hateful invective would be toned down per Mike Conner’s request for the sake of this forum, but clearly you have lost it and can no longer be held any more responsible for your conduct than a rabid dog for its.
    Jews and anyone else, by the way, have every right to live in Japan if they fulfill the stringent criteria forresidence there and are law-abiding productive citizens. I know one such person–a Jew, for your information–who has done precisely that.
    Turkiic peoples,whatever their original place of origin, have been resident in Central Asia and the Caucasus far longer than the Russian interlopers who colonized and despoiled their territories. The same holds true for the Australian aboriginies and native Americans; did the colonizers seek their permission for resding in their stolen and ravaged ancestral homelands? (The fact that they were engaged in conflicts with one another has nothing to do with this matter except in your twisted logic; would the Chinese have the right to expel whites from Europe because of their two-thousand year history of mutual extermination and oppression?)
    Lastly, If you want to turn your European homeland and its sundry colonies into judenrein Aryan utopias, you will have to expel the countless millions of persons of Spaniash, Italian, Hungarian, Portuguese, Greek, Rumanian, Polish, and Russian descent who no doubt carry the Jewish “bacillus,” as you once phrased it in your inimitable pathological jargon. (I leave out of this insane vision of yours the scores of millions of blacks, Mestizos, East Asians, Pacific Islanders, Arabs, and mixtures thereof who live in the U.S. and certain European countries). I doubt very much, however, that these masses of “disease vectors” will be willingly driven from their homes without taking out quite a few of the lunatics who would try such a project–including you.
    James Van Brun and Robert Matthews found that out the hard way.

  97. Rob on March 10th, 2010 4:50 pm

    “No, I am ot going to bother requesting permission from you or any other [flame deleted] for anything, either for my place of residence or my right to exist.

    Having a meltdown [flame deleted]? So jews get to live anywhere they please, but chechen savages get to have an ethno-state free of outside influences. Those were your words [flame deleted], and when your hypocrisy is pointed out, you spew the filthy vomit above. You’ve just demonstrated why Mike was wrong, and why nobody should have been forced to be even remotely polite to you, [flame deleted].

    You happy, Mike?

    “Your anthropology is just as delirious and skewed as every other argument you have made thus far is your manic ravings”

    Your claiming it without qualifying it doesn’t make it a fact, you [flame deleted].

    “Jews and anyone else, by the way, have every right to live in Japan if they fulfill the stringent criteria forresidence there and are law-abiding productive citizens.”

    Rubbish. That’s only IF the Japanese themselves decide to ALLOW foreigners to become citizens, sophist. You wouldn’t have any control over their immigration policy if they embarked on a no immigration or “only Asian” immigration policy, you sophist.

    “Turkiic peoples,whatever their original place of origin, have been resident in Central Asia and the Caucasus far longer than the Russian interlopers who colonized and despoiled their territories.”

    Is that what it comes down to? Who’s been where longer? Well we European are the indigenes of Europe, and you jews ARE THE interlopers, so you know where you’re ultimately headed.

    “would the Chinese have the right to expel whites from Europe because of their two-thousand year history of mutual extermination and oppression?”

    But this is exactly what your jewish kinsmen are implementing in Europe through their globalist multicultural race-replacement policy. Keep [flame deleted].

  98. NeoCon Hysteria on March 10th, 2010 5:05 pm

    The Slavic people are White European. The myth that they’re a mongolian horde is ridiculous in todays society.

    Im not Slavic. I have no bones in the matter. Its simply historical fact that the ‘Rus are of Nordic heritage.

    I also grew up believing in the ‘word of mouth’ non-sense that the Russian were Mongolians. This all changed when i learn about Russian history. Real Russian history. No, not just WWII.

    All we hear about in America is WWII.

    It’s like the entire world was created in 1939. Learn Russian history. Go back starting 3000yrs ago. It’ll take you about a month to fully research all the key points in the Russian timeline.

    There was no integration of the Mongolian Golden Horde with the native ‘Rus. This myth is absurd. This is why the American Neo-Nazi punks do more harm then good.

    I just got finished talking to one such idiot. He think Putin is Mongolian.

    The stupidity is astounding.

  99. Mike Conner on March 10th, 2010 6:07 pm

    Starting from the Mar. 9 comments, I’m going to edit out all personal attacks with “[flame deleted]“, as my time permits. We’ll see how that works. I repeat my request for civility from all sides.

  100. Rob on March 10th, 2010 7:05 pm

    “I doubt very much, however, that these masses of “disease vectors” will be willingly driven from their homes without taking out quite a few of the lunatics who would try such a project–including you.”

    This jew’s arguments are instructive for all lurkers who are on the fence of the jewish question. Whites who would fight to free themselves of alien peoples’ intrusions into their lands, especially from the jews, are lunatics, but Chechen child murderers are “heroic” when they fight the Russians. Chechens and other non-Europeans are entitled to their own ethno-states, but white Europeans and other Euro-derived nations must allow everyone in, because the jew deconstructs us by attacking our racial integrity-”there is no white race” argument. The white race is a social construct, it isn’t real, but Chechens, Central Asian Turkics (most of whom now occupy ancient Indo-European Tocharian territories), Australian aborigines, etc. are real and shouldn’t be intruded upon. So says the jew.

    And all the while, it has the gall to claim it’s not anti-white. It just wants to be fair to everybody and wants everybody to have a shot at its territorial integrity free from outside coercion- everybody except the white race, because whites have been so evil in the past, that apparently, the argument goes, we have forfeited the rights to our own lands and must share our lands as restitution with the non-whites for all eternity. So says the jew.

    This is what happens when jews are allowed into white living space, and it’s not a flame to point out that this relationship between jews and whites is indeed that between the parasite and its host. This whole “debate” is illustrative that no amount of haggling with our parasites is going to amount to anything, and that more than anything else, the jew needs to live off of the white race as its life’s blood. As such it has no intention of being “fair” of even-handed in its dealings with whites. The end result of all of its sophistry and rationalizations is: IS IT GOOD FOR THE JEWS? That’s all that will every count to a jew, and all of its rationalizations are towards that end.

  101. 060091 on March 11th, 2010 1:58 am

    I’ve come to the conclusion that regardless of right and wrong, no matter what anyone says, there is a threat that must be confronted. Anyone who is trying to be fair and make everyone happy isn’t being realistic, and I’m truly sorry for that. In the end, it’s all about what’s good for Whites. Everyone else can be as selfishly ethnocentric as they please. I believe that we are going to have to start doing the same thing. It may lead to our last stand, but it’s not like it was going to be any better if we took a passive approach. Either way, we’re being attacked and i believe the end result desired by enemies of the race is our complete destruction or at the very least, rendered to a small ineffective minority to weak to even politely request the most basic of necessities.

    I’m sure we could be nicer about things. More diplomatic. But nonwhites don’t take that into consideration the way we would like them to. They don’t see it as a civil way of working out our issues, they just see weakness and they smell blood. The more Whites have bent over for nonwhites, the more kicks in the ass we’ve received. After a while, you come to the conclusion that we must show a strong, united front in order to get what we want. We can’t just politely ask for it, because no one’s going to give it to us. We’re going to have to take it.

    You’re asking us to look at our ancestors. But we’re looking at our children. And the future we see for them is frightening. Our ancestors could have been the worst people to ever live, I don’t believe that but let’s just say that for argument’s sake, but our children are blameless. WE are blameless. Our parents aren’t only blameless, they’re the ones that bent over backwards trying to make amends!

    Sorry, Joel. We have to stay on this path.

  102. Joel Stern on March 11th, 2010 6:40 am

    To 060091

    I realzie that your children are blameles, no bending over backwards is demanded for the depredations committed by your ancestors. . . Nor is the present generation of Jews to be held accountable for all the misdeed committed by their ancestors.
    But as I pointed out above, through the cmany centuries in which Europeans spead throughout the world, they themsleves have adulterated their gene pool unalterably with Jewish, Finno-Ugric, Amerind and otehr strains, so that Ranting Rob’s apocalytic fantasy of some future “ur-arisch” utopia can be dismissed as the pipe-dream of a deranged misfit that compensates forr its maladjustment by the well-known compensatory mechanism of paranoid projection. His sociopathic character type is described exchaustively in the clinical literature and need not be elaborated upon here–I recommend “Anatomy of Human Destructiveness” by Eric Fromm if you want to explore the subject further.

    To the poster who commented on the allegedly Nordic nature of Russians:

    Unfortunately you are wrong. I have read anthropological studies on the origin of the Eastern Slavs, and there has been a signicant rate of genetic intermixture between the non-Eruopean Finno-Ugric peoples in the Ural region, and to a lesser extent with the Tatar population in the Kazan area and the Crimea over the past centuries.

  103. Joel Stern on March 11th, 2010 10:30 am

    To Ranting Rob:

    Yiou have characterized the Chechens as “savages.” Here we have yet one more graphic example of monomaniac, paranoidal ideation, which, who lumps together entire races and ethnic groups into manichean categories in preparation for their evenual displacement, enslavement or extermination.
    Without making excuses for terrorist acts committed by Chechens and other Muslim peoples who have been fighting for hundreds of years for liberation from alien colonizers, I would not consider their acts to be more any reprehensible or heinous than:
    1. The slaughter of eight thousand Bosnian men and boys at Srebrenica, or the bloody siege and indiscriminate shelling of Sarajevo and other cities, carried out by Milosevic’s cut-throats;
    2. The murder of three million Polish gentiles (priests, intellectuals, etc.) by Nazi savages, and the kidnapping of tens of thousands of Polish children for eventual “Eindeutschung{;
    3. The murder of hundreds of thousands of Serbs and similar undesirables by Croatian Ustashe thugs;
    4. The mass utilization of gas warfare in World War I by supposedly civilized states, leading to the deaths and permanent disability of hundreds of thousands of combatants.

    These are just a very few random examples–all documentted in historically recent times–of the atrocities committed by Europeans gentiles against one another–not against Jews, Gypsies, Algerians, Vietnamese, Abyssinians, Indonesians, Filippinos, American Indians, and other ethnies despised as “alien.”
    Thus, Ranting Rob, the savagery you impute to other peoples en masse is, once again, far more reflective of your own aberrant mental state than of the inherent nature of your bugabears.

    Lastly, regarding the expulsion or phyysical elimination of Jews (or other groups) from your midst, I have pointed out several times here that I endorse the right of even lunatic racists to form their own enclaves separate from the rest of humanity. If any of you wish to exclude certain groups from such lily-white utopias, I can’t deny you this option, provided that you not interfere with other entities (enclaves, nation states) where Jews, East Asians, Indians, Kurds, etc.are permitted to live. Not everyone, you realize, is obsessed, to the point of homicide, with racial classifications or evaluating human worth solely on the basis of genetic affiliation.
    In addition, assuming that the posters here are in unanimous agreement with Ranting Rob’s apocalyptic dream of a glorious Aryan homeland cleansed of Jews, Bantus, East and South Asians, Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Mestizos, Somalis, and sundry other swarthy breeds, I am still waiting for a coherent, comprehensive, and FEASIBLE method for determining pure Aryanism in fulfillment of the primary crtterion for membership in this millenarian Volksgemeinschaft.
    Some questions naturally arise in this context; I count on the brighter and more coherent ones among you to formulate a few tentative proposals:
    1. Is the plan to institute worldwide genetic testing for prospective candidates to ascertain their genetic suitablity? Or only in the Euroean homeland, certain regions of the Americas, the remainng Boer population in South Africa, the Kaybele Berbers in the Atlas Mountains, and other groups that bear traces of an “Aryan” genotpye?
    2. Who will be in charge of the testing? I would assume they will have to be trained geneticists of demonstrated impeccable Aryan pedigree.
    3. What degree of “alien” admixture would disqualify a prospective candiate for membership in the Volksgemeinschaft? One “tainted” grandfather or grandmother–or farther back? Would the Nuremberg Laws provide adequate guidance, or do you have some alternative in mind? Please be specific.
    4. What would happen in the case of a candidate who is found to be racially “blutvollwertig” in every respect but who has the misfortune to be married to or in a relationship with someone of a less than perfect genotype? Would that spouse or lover be excluded, sterilized, put to death? And what about their mongrel offsrping?
    5. If large numbers of individuals in a certain area (say, Sicily or Malta, , which were settled at various times by Carthaginicans and other Levantines) are found to be racially contaiminated, what would be their fate? Would they have a choice to emigrate after surrendering all their property, or face a more drastic fate (sterilization, work in a labor camp, medical experimentation, death by injection, hanging, shooting, gassing)?
    6. If you encounter widespread resistance to testing or deportation, where would you recruit the troops needed to suppress it? You would of course have to make absolutely sure that such troops are committed white nationalists of demonstrated Aryan pedigree, otherwise they might aid their less favored kinsmen to escape just retribution.
    7. In the event of entire countries (e.g. Denmark, Finland, and Bulgaria in the Second World War) that actively shelter their Jewsih citizens from deportation or annihilation, would you order occupation of those states and summary execution of all those misguided gentiles who are complicit in protecting “rassenfremde” elements?
    7. Assuming that your are quite serious in pursuing this endeavor, I naturally expect all of you to undergo thorough DNA testing to establish your own spotless Aryan credentials. If, however, you do discover a genetic “taint” of any kind in your background (Jewish, Moorish, Ameriend or other non-European genes, as is not infrequently the case, given your dispersal throughout the world), would you voluntarily renounce membeship in the Volkgemeinschaft or attemtpt to conceal your “Schande?” I would expect you as dedicated warriors for your cause to reach a solution most advantageous for the preservation and uplift of the white race.

    I am sure there are many other questions I could pose for your careful consideration, but surely the ones above will give you some preliminary food for thought. I wish you well in your mission and have no doubt that, if you should uncover the slightest trace of genetic flaw in your ancestry, you will be courageous enough to separate yourselves voluntarily from your pure-blooded comrades for the sake of the common good, in accordance with the Third Reich motto: “Gemeinnutz vor Eigennutz.”

  104. Drew on March 11th, 2010 2:38 pm

    Joel suggests we read Eric Fromm to understand ourselves?

    Fromm, along with his other Jewish Marxist cronies from the Frankfurt School, helped create the “culture of critique,” which is a pseudo intellectual concept Jews have used and promulgated to rationalize their Talmudic hatred and desire to deconstruct and tear down Christian White European civilization.

    Fromm, who came from a long line of rabbis, promoted a world view that was self-admittedly Talmudic and therefore necessarily anti-Gentile and anti-Christ. Just as Carl Jung correctly observed that Freud’s theories of psychology do not work for non-jews, Fromm’s writings have very little to offer anyone who identifies with and values our unique White european history and ancestry.

    We don’t need Jews like Fromm and Joel to teach us why we should hate ourselves and engage in their judaized self-loathing. Had it not been for their constant critiques, meddling, and whining, who knows what further levels of greatness our civilization could have achieved by now?

  105. Joel Stern on March 11th, 2010 3:16 pm

    To Drew:

    You criticize Fromm a priori without having read a single line of his work, as if the mere fact of his descent negated all the copious evidence he has marshaled to document the psychopathological characters of of Hitler, Himmler, and Stalin and their effects on the societies they turned into ant-heaps populated by homicidal automatons programmed to kill.
    Judging from the historical record of Western civilization from the earliest times–its interminable religious wars, campaigns of extermination (e.g. the slaughter of Balts and Slavs by the Teutonic knights, among countless other examples), not to mention its colonialization of foreign territories that led to genocide, enslavement, and dispossesion of the native populations, I have my misgvings about the “heights” your civilization would have attained–unless you consider the Einsatzgruppen to be the harbingers of your glorious future.
    I might also point out, for the edification of you Aryan purists, that your beloved Carl Jung had a sexual relationship with Sabina Spielrein, a Jewish psychoananalyst, around 1910 and was consequently forced to resign his position at a Swiss institution for reasons of moral turpitude. Thus, one of your “Kulturhelden” (like many others) committed “Blutschande,” fatally compromising his racial purity (under the Nuremberg Laws, which strictly forbade carnal relations between Germans and non-Aryans). Jung’s concept of the collective unconscious, moreover, is totally bogus, an artificai construct unverifiable by any scientific means, and is just one more convenient myth fashioned to demonize so-called alien elements, in this case the Jews.
    If the posters here want to establish their case for Aryan supremancy, they will need to find a better authority than race-traitor and charlatan Jung.

  106. Joel Stern on March 11th, 2010 3:48 pm

    To Drew:

    To clarify one point you raised:

    You claim that I recommended Fromm’s book “Anatomy of Human Destructiveness” so that your could “understand yourselves.”
    That is your misperception. I reject the belief in a collective Aryan, Jewish, or any other form of ethnic “collective unconsciousness,” since that is a crackpot theory advanced by racially obsessed neurotics like H.S. Chamberlain and Jung to justify the so-called vritues of their Volk. What I did say was that Fromm’s book sheds light on a specific type of psychopathology–which he terms “necrophilia” (not the sexual deviation, but rather the morbid preoccupation with and veneration of death, as exemplied by the oxymoronic slogan used by one of Franco’s generals during the Spanish Civil War: “Viva la Muerte!”
    Ranting Rob, just like Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, Saddam Husssein, Stalin, and (to cite a more recent example, Matt Hale, the founder of the Church of the Creator with his call for “Rahowa” (Racial Holy War), displays the classic traits of malignant narcissm: violent fantasies of bloody revenge, paranoid projection, and sociopathic homocidal urges, which inevitably lead to murder–either of others or the frustrated self.
    Since you dismiss Fromm simply because of his Jewish origin (a sign of intellectual cowardice on your part), i can recommend a book by a gentile psychotherapist named Scott Peck. It is titled “People of the Lie” and describes the same malignant narcisstic syndrome through numerous case studies from his own practice.
    There are certainly decent white nationalists who are motivated by concern for the preservation of their culture and genetic uniqueness–a position with which I have no fundamental disagreement,. However, there is also a lunatic fringe, represented by Ranting Rob and certain other paranoids on this blog, who have crossed the borderline of sanity into sheer madness, highjacking your cause to vent their own sadistic urges on convenient scapegoats. Such deviants exist in every society, and they emerge like cockroaches in the dark in times of social chaos and upheaval to wreak destruction when the opportunity presents itself..

  107. Rob on March 11th, 2010 5:36 pm

    “If any of you wish to exclude certain groups from such lily-white utopias, I can’t deny you this option, provided that you not interfere with other entities (enclaves, nation states) where Jews, East Asians, Indians, Kurds, etc.are permitted to live. ”

    If this were true, we wouldn’t ever have had this “debate”. The fact is it IS your kinsmen that DO deny us this option, and jews use their considerable resources to block any such endeavor on the part of whites in any of their homelands.

    “Not everyone, you realize, is obsessed, to the point of homicide, with racial classifications or evaluating human worth solely on the basis of genetic affiliation.”

    How so? The people in the caucasus or in Central Asia aren’t protective of their ethnic affiliations? Africans? Asians? What’s China’s immigration policy? or Korea’s? or Mexico’s? or ANY other non-white country compared to that of the overly liberal and suicidal white nations’ migrant policies? In fact, when people claim it’s a multicultural globalist world, the fallacy is that it’s only white nations that have had this agenda forced on them. The rest of the world is wholesomely tribal with a strong sense of identity- something that we are conditioned 24/7 in the west to believe is defective and insidious with regards to ourselves. Asian for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, but white countries are for everybody.

    You contradict yourself and obfuscate in every one of your posts. In the end, you resort to the same anti-white white-race denying rubbish that you would NEVER apply to any of the non-white groups you champion. You infer that ethnicity and race are something only marginal white racialists believe in, when it’s clearly the opposite that is true. One thing we whites racialists are definitely clear on is that you jews are not us.

    I also noticed in another post how you didn’t miss a beat in slamming Jung, but the jew Freud gets a pass in your book- the man who is single-handedly probably most responsible for the promotion of the sexual degeneracy we’re experiencing in “our” “moribund” civilization, which is all “our” fault too, huh?

    Lastly, you repeatedly make claims about how we racialists are narcissists, losers, etc., yet even after repeatedly claiming you have posted your last post, you keep coming back for more. What does that say about you? If our arguments were so specious and our logic so defective, why would you even bother with such long-winded and often repetitive replies? The fact is you’re arguments have been soundly trounced, and all your bruised grandiose jewish ego can do now is misdirect, back pedal, repeat yourself, or resort to “freudian” analyses of our motives and thought processes. I’ve told you once before: you jews need to apply your freudian analyses to yourselves collectively for once. Freud’s a much better fit for you jews and your bizarre sex and scat hangups than it is for us gentiles. All one needs to do is listen to a jewish standup comedian for verification of this. At this point you add nothing to this “dialogue” beyond the typical [flame deleted].

    Shalom

  108. Drew on March 11th, 2010 6:15 pm

    Joel, I have read Fromm, and fellow jewish Frankfurters, like Marcuse, Adorno, Horkheimer, Benjamin, etc. That said, don’t you find it revealing that Fromm targets Hitler, Himmler, and Stalin, who have one thing in common–they all turned against the so-called meaningless social construct (in your view) of “The Jews”? There were plenty of other warmongering psychopaths for Fromm to critique and psychoanalyze, such as Disraeli, FDR, Wilson, Churchill, Baruch, and Warburg, but they were all friendly to–and puppets of–the most powerful of jewish interests, if not jews themselves. Simple enough.

    To serve their own racial supremacist agenda, many Jewish writers, like Fromm, have greatly distorted the Nazi theories on race. In every movement there are extremists, but even Hitler himself acknowledged that there was no such thing as a pure Aryan race. But just because there is no such thing as a ‘pure’ race doesn’t mean that race doesn’t exist in a meaningful and practical way. I suggest you read Chistopher Hutton’s excellent book, “Race And The Third Reich” and stop wasting your time believing in long-discredited and often laughable Jewish anti-Nazi wartime propaganda.

    And you are wrong to assume that I endorse Aryan supremacy per se. I do not. That every other race (including Jews) wants to live in White countries, not the other way around, says all that needs to be said on that issue in practical terms.

    I don’t care in the least whether Carl Jung had a Jewish mistress–that has nothing to do with the validity of his statements about the Jewishness of psychoanalysis. Freud admitted his hatred for Gentiles, and also admitted that he wanted to use psychoanalysis to destroy our culture and people–hardly the motivations of an objective scientist.

    I do believe that history has proven that the White race is unique and irreplaceable–and has a right and obligation to defend itself from malignant forces that wish to destroy it, such as the jewish Harvard professor Noel Ignatiev who openly and with impunity calls for the genocide of the White race–or the huckster, Eli Wiesel (or was it Simon Wiesenthal?), who openly called for the genocide of the entire German race, including babies in their cribs. I wonder what Fromm would say about these pathetic examples of the human species.

    Everything that the Jews have accused the White race of, especially the Germans, they themselves are guilty of. If you are as well-read as you seem to be, then you must be aware of the messianic will to power of elite jewish racial supremacists of whom you can count the Rothchilds and Warburgs. Read Michael Collins Piper’s book, “The New Babylon” for an extensive list of names, or just read The Talmud itself, which makes “Mein Kampf” seem even-handed and fair toward other races.

  109. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 6:43 am

    To Drew:

    You make some valid points, and I would not defend any Jews who hold supremacist theories. But as far as Hitler and crackpot theorists like Rosenberg and Himmlers are concerned, they may not have believed in a “pure” Aryan race, but they consciously demonized other ethnic groups perceived as racially alien and believed in a strict hierarchy of racial valuableness, ranking from Nordics down to subhuman Negros and Jews. Genocide was deliberately put forth as a program by Heydrich as the Wannsee Conference in 1942 and implemeted with Teutonic throroughness, not only on Jews, but also on Russians, Poles, and other putative Aryans. I assume you are familiar with “General Plan Ost” for the conquest of Eastern Europe; only the defeat of the Wehrmacht prevented its full implementation.
    There is much more I coud add by way of rejoinder, but one thing cannot pass. You mention that it is no concern to you that Jung had a Jewish mistress (perhaps he also slept around with other patients of questionable ancestry?), so long as his theories are validity. You may be aware of Julius Streicher’ts dictum that sexual contact with non-Aryans leads to racial polluution, a concept that was embodied n the Nuremberg Laws and punishable by death as race treason. Jung would therefore have been executed or sterilized had the Nazis been more consistent in their practices.I have seen absolutely no verifiable evidence of the existence of an “Aryan” collective psyche as contrasted with a “Semiitic,” “Turkic,” Mayan,” or any other form of ethnic collective coonsciousness. This is an artificial intelelctual construct, just like those spun out of whole cloth by wooly-minded crackpots like Rosenberg, Gobineau, Chamberlain, Fritzsche, and numerous other lesser lights in the racist movement, to justify imperial wars of consquest and genocide. Of course this mentation is not unique to Germany; many other peoples have held the same ideals and carried out mass slaughter of their perceived racial and religious antagonists. Jung simply lent the same primitive thinking an aura of pseudo-scientific authority.

  110. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 7:00 am

    To Rob the [flame deleted]:

    Once again a string of vituperative stereotypes on your part. Just let me remind you that the sexual degeneracy and promiscuousness among your white knsmen that you blame on Freud and Jewish pornographers existed long before they ever came on the scene, as embodied by the hundreds of millions of Meztizos, mulattos, and half-breeds throughout the world who were sired by the goyim plunderers who spread throughout the world like locusts.
    If I repeat myself here it is because this argument needs to be repeated in response to racist screeds contrasting the moral, intellectual, and racial superiority of your kinsfold over the rest of humanity.
    It is not I who concocted the thesis of the decline of your civilization; the same arguments were presented long ago by Madison Grant, Spengler, and Lothrop Stoddard, and more recently by Pat Buchanan in the “Death of the West.”
    Your lunatic vision of a lily-white utopia is doomed to fail, not because of the Frankfurt School, psychoanalysis, Hollywood, or Wall Street Jewish bankers, but because your own miiscegnation thorughout the world for several millenia, which has unalteralby changed your gene pool. To cleanse it to a pristine state would require the sterilization, imprisonment, expulsion, and massacre of countless millions of people. Don’t count on them to be led like lambs to the slaughter without resistance.

  111. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 9:22 am

    To Drew:

    Just to follow up on your last posting:
    As I conceded, you have made some valid points in your criticism of Freud, whom I myself do not consider an objective scientist, no more than I accept the half-baked theories of Nazi pseudo-scientists such as Hans Guenther, Fritz Lenz, Othmar von Verscheur, or August Wirt (who all posited the a-prior assumption of Nordic supremacy as a justification for medical experiments on and extermination of sundry undesirables, not only Jews but others perceived as subhuman). Can we agree that both types of supremacist thinking are fallacious and fraught with dangeous implications?
    I do want, however, to comment on your statement that peoples from all over the world are flocking to the West, ergo, that is proof of its civilizational superiority (and presumbaly the genetic superiority of its inhabiants as well).
    True enough, the West has enjoyed several centuries of great medical, technological and scientific progress (due in no small measure to the contributions of Jewish physicists, chemists, and medical researchers, as attested by the disproportionately high number of Nobel Prizes won by them over the past century). The West has enjoyed its time in the sun, just as the ancient Egyptian, Chinese, Indian, Abassid, Ottoman, and other non-western empires flourished as centers of civilization while medieval Europe was a plague-ridden backwater torn by religious and ethnic strife. How long the European day in the sun will last is anyone’s guess, but its current prosperity–based on disproportionate consumption of world resources–is no more proof of its superiority any more than its state in the early Middle Ages was ndicative of Eurpoe’s nnate inferiority.to the flourishing Moorish kingdom of Spain that existed concurrently.

  112. Drew on March 12th, 2010 10:48 am

    Joel wrote, “Genocide was deliberately put forth as a program by Heydrich as the Wannsee Conference in 1942 and implemeted with Teutonic throroughness…”

    This is one of the most egregious examples of jewish anti-Nazi war propaganda. Raul Hilberg, the most often cited historian on the alleged ‘holocaust’, has admitted, along with other jewish historians, that there is, in fact, no evidence that a master plan to physically exterminate the Jews was ever discussed at Wannsee. Hilberg has also be forced to concede that there is absolutely no evidence of any orders to carry out such a plan.

    You seem like a bright guy, Joel, but you seem to have fallen for the holocaust propaganda without objectively and critically looking at the so-called evidence. And it wouldn’t make you a ‘self-hating’ Jew or ‘neo-nazi’ to step back and dispassionately look into the issue. An extremely intelligent Jew named David Cole made a documentary about his doubts about the official holocaust story–and he was forced into hiding because of death threats from other Jews!

    You should also watch the film “One Third of the Holocaust” available online. And the excellent website nazigassings.com will show you the absurdity of the whole premise from a scientific point of view. You should also check out the court transcripts from the Ernst Zundel trial in Canada where Rudolph Vrba, one of the key witnesses to the holocaust at Auschwitz, is actually forced to admit that his testimony is full of poetic license and fiction.

    That the ‘holocaust’ is the only event in all of recorded history that has laws protecting it from doubters should raise a huge red flag for you, especially if you are Jewish and intelligent.

  113. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 11:22 am

    To Drew:

    You speak of the white race’s need to protect itself from maligant froces that seek to destroy it.
    I have no logicall objection whatsoever to your concern, so long as you follow the same logic to grant the same right of independent existence to Chechens, Uighurs, Kurds, Tibetans, Kashmiris, Amerinds,, and other peoples whose continued survival is also threatened by alien occupiers.
    Furthermore, if you seek to rid western societies of any alien (including Jewish) presence altogether, this endeavor would logically entail not only expunging all traces of music, art, literature, psychotherapy, anthropology, sociology, historiography, and religious belief (including Christianity) created, influenced, or inspired by Jews, crypto-Jews, or race-tratiors like Jung (I can’t believe how indulgent you are towards this degenerate who shtupped a Jewess) , but also all achievments in medicine, physics, chemistry, information science, biology, mathematics, military science (e.g. the concept of blitzkrieg was originated by a Halb-Jude) and other technical areas in which Jews and other lesser breeds have made significant contributions. You can easily find a list of such achievements by doing some Internet research; John of UK is particularly skilled in ferreting out Jews, no doubt he can come up with an exhaustive compendium on this subject as well.
    Of course, this thorough-going purge of alien elements in Aryan civilization would deprive you, inter alia, of the atom bomb (I needn’t remind you of Jewish participation in the Manhattan Project) and nuclear submarines (you do remember Hyman Rickover, don’t you?), but surely that will be a small price to pay for the preservation of the glorious (but still genetically flawed by Jewish, Turkic, Moorish, Bantu, Amerind, Finno-Ugric, etc. admixtures) Volk in your European homelands. I have some misgivings, however, that your colonies in Australia, the Americas, and South Africa, which are being taken over apace by Third World invaders, can be sustained in the long run without the very serious ethnic cleansing envisaged by William Pierce, Matt Hale, and your own [flame deleted]. Such an interethnic Armaggedon, I fear, would severely damage your own already depleted ethnic stock by striking down your staunchest Aryan warriors in their prime of life. So, think carefully before undertaking this endeavor, as precious and necessary as it may be to your fevered imagination.

  114. Rob on March 12th, 2010 2:44 pm

    “I have no logicall objection whatsoever to your concern, so long as you follow the same logic to grant the same right of independent existence to Chechens, Uighurs, Kurds, Tibetans, Kashmiris, Amerinds,, and other peoples whose continued survival is also threatened by alien occupiers.”

    “but surely that will be a small price to pay for the preservation of the glorious (but still genetically flawed by Jewish, Turkic, Moorish, Bantu, Amerind, Finno-Ugric, etc. admixtures) Volk in your European homelands.”

    This jew repeatedly moves the goal post and then undermines his own arguments. He tells us he has no logical objection to our concerns for our self-determination and sovereignty, but then proceeds, yet again, to attack our race as supposedly hopelessly mongrelized, inferring that this task is beyond the point of possibility. Notice how he NEVER applies that same argument to “Chechens, Uighurs, Kurds, Tibetans, Kashmiris, Amerinds” . Is the Uighurs’ cause for self-determination hopeless, using this logic, because they’re Turkics who occupy formerly Tocharian territory and have assimilated a considerable amount of their genes, or is it somehow they are genetically more homogeneous and more deserving of their sovereignty than whites. Which is it?

    “Furthermore, if you seek to rid western societies of any alien (including Jewish) presence altogether, this endeavor would logically entail not only expunging all traces of music, art, literature, psychotherapy, anthropology, sociology, historiography, and religious belief (including Christianity) created, influenced, or inspired by Jews, crypto-Jews, or race-tratiors like Jung (I can’t believe how indulgent you are towards this degenerate who shtupped a Jewess) ”

    The depths to which jewish sophistry sinks. By this logic, should all sovereign and homogeneous nations also give up on agriculture because agriculture most likely arose in one area, southeast Turkey about 10,000 years ago, and then spread around the world? Have the Japanese and Chinese forfeited their right to ethnic self-determination because they’ve embraced Indian Buddhism and western technology? This argument is really scraping the bottom of the barrel and needs no further response. Either come up with something better or stop embarrassing yourself.

    How about we apply this standard to jewish nomadic people, who “borrowed” considerably from the settled peoples among whom they sojourned. Their religion, which is where their main claim to fame is, and where they try to leverage Whites and assert some sort of primacy over us because of it, is itself largely a product lifted almost entirely from Egyptian, Sumerian, and Persian Zoroastrian religions. Their scribes like Philo of Alexandria constantly borrowed Greek concepts like “logos” in a bid to keep judaism commensurate with the up-to-date Hellenic thought of the day. Kaballah borrowed heavily from neo-Platonism and its doctrine of emanationism. There is very little in judaism that is a product of the native jewish intellect, yet they bludgeon us over the head with Christianity and claim we “owe them” because of it.

    As to expunging our nations of jewish influence, this would obviously be done, and the negative jewish influence in our lands is precisely why we want them and their dubious “contributions” out. It could also be done relatively easily. The jewish influence in music, art, and literature (with few exceptions, like Mendelsohn) would mostly be studied as the garbage that it is. Freudian psychotherapy, boazian anthropology, and Frankfurt school sociology would go. Christianity would lose its tax-exempt status, and with an educational emphasis on science and evolutionary history, would ultimately wither on the vine. Except for a very few inventions like Salk’s polio vaccine, hard as it might be for jews full of themselves like Joel to believe, the jewish influence in western society has been an overwhelmingly pernicious one, and these are the elements that would be surgically removed.

  115. Rob on March 12th, 2010 2:49 pm

    The Fundamental Flaws of the Holocaust Cult
    By Robert E. Reis

    At the Nuremberg trial (1945-1946), a tribunal of the victors accused a defeated Germany

    1) of having ordered and planned the physical extermination of the Jews of Europe;

    2) of having designed and used certain weapons of mass destruction, in particular those that it called “gas chambers”;

    3) of having, essentially with those weapons but also through other means, caused the death of six million Jews.

    “Evil” people like myself have examined the evidence and concluded the three accusations are not true.

    We believe the Holocaust Cult is the sole official religion of the West.

    You can publish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed and of Jesus in most European countries, but prison cells await people who doubt the Holocaust Cult in many of these countries. Recently a Catholic bishop who publicly doubted the Holocaust Cult was expelled from Argentina. He has been forbidden to act as a bishop until he recants. To recant means to formally reject or disavow a formerly held belief, usually under pressure. This is what the Inquisition demanded of heretics.

    For sixty years evil people like myself having been asking the historians who preach the Holocaust Cult to do three things.

    1) Show us one single document that, in your view, proves that Hitler or any other National-Socialist ordered and planned the physical extermination of the Jews;

    2) Show us that weapon of mass destruction which, as alleged, was a gas chamber; show us a single one of them, at Auschwitz or elsewhere; and if you claim that you cannot show us any because, according to you, the Germans destroyed the “murder weapon”, provide us at least with a technical drawing representing one of those slaughterhouses which, as you say, the Germans destroyed and explain to us how that weapon with such a fabulous killing performance had been able to work without bringing on the death of either those who ran it or their helpers;

    3) Explain to us how you have arrived at your figure of six million victims.

    The struggle to get the answers to these questions has gone on longer than the search for Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction.

    Almost sixty years ago scholarly books and articles began to appear that struck at the roots of the Holocaust Cult.

    1) In 1951 the Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg trial (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition).

    2) In 1960 Martin Broszat, a member of the Institute of Contemporary History in Munich, wrote: “Neither at Dachau, nor at Bergen-Belsen, nor at Buchenwald were any Jews or other detainees gassed” (“Keine Vergasung in Dachau”, Die Zeit, August 19, 1960, p. 16).

    At the Nuremberg trial the only homicidal gas chamber that the prosecutors ventured to show in a film had been that of Dachau, and the testimonies telling of alleged homicidal gassings in the three above-mentioned camps had been numerous. M. Broszat thus implicitly acknowledged that those testimonies were false.

    3) In 1968 the Jewish historian Olga Wormser-Migot, in her thesis on Le Système concentrationnaire nazi, 1933-1945, (Paris, Presses universitaires de France), gave an ample exposition of what she called “the problem of the gas chambers” (p. 541-544). There were three separate camps at Auschwitz. On Auschwitz-I she was categorical: that camp where tourists visit an alleged gas chamber was, in reality, “without any gas chamber” (p. 157).

    4) In 1979 thirty-four French historians signed a lengthy joint declaration in reply to technical arguments aiming to demonstrate that the allegation of the existence and functioning of the Nazi gas chambers ran up against certain radical scientific impossibilities. The thirty-four historians answered thus: “It must not be asked how, technically, such a mass-murder was possible. It was technically possible, since it happened” (Le Monde, February 21, 1979, p. 23). If thirty-four historians find themselves unable to explain how a crime of these dimensions was perpetrated, it is because that crime defies the laws of nature; it is therefore imaginary.

    5) Also in 1979, the American authorities finally made public certain aerial photographs of Auschwitz which, up to then, they had kept hidden. The two authors of the publication, former CIA men Dino A. Brugioni and Robert G. Poirier, gave their little set of photos the title The Holocaust Revisited and tacked on here and there labels bearing the words “gas chamber(s)”. (Central Intelligence Agency, Washington, February 1979, ST-79-10001).

    In reality, what can be distinctly made out on them are crematoria structures, with no crowds huddled outside waiting to enter the alleged changing rooms and the alleged death chambers. The surrounding grounds are free of obstruction and visible from all directions. The flowerbeds in the patches of garden round the crematories are neatly laid-out and bear no trace of being stamped upon every day by thousands of people. Crematorium n°3, for instance, butts against what we know to have been, thanks to sound documents from the Auschwitz State Museum, a football field and is close to a volleyball court (Hefte von Auschwitz, 15, 1975, plate on page 56 and page 64). It is also close to eighteen hospital barracks of the men’s camp. I repeat, the eighteen hospital barracks in the men’s camp.

    Why, you might well ask, did the Germans build 18 hospitals for Jews at the men’s camp in Auschwitz and provide a football field for the prisoners? What about the theaters, the library, and the prisoners’ post office?

    6) On April 21, 1982 an association (the “ASSAG”), was created in Paris for “the study of murders by gassing under the National-Socialist regime”, “with a view to seeking and verifying elements bearing proof of the use of poison gasses in Europe by the officials of the National-Socialist regime to kill persons of various nationalities, to contributing to the publication of this evidence, to making, to that purpose, all useful contacts on the national and international level”. Article 2 of the association’s charter stipulates: “The Association shall last as long as shall be necessary to attain the objectives set forth in Article 1.”

    This association remains in existence, at least until 2006, and has never published anything in its own name that proves that the existence of Nazi gas chambers.

    Clearly, the continued existence of ASSAG proves that it has failed to achieve the objective for which it was founded nearly twenty-seven years ago.

    7) In 1982, from June 29 to July 2, an international symposium was held in Paris, at the Sorbonne, under the chairmanship of two Jewish historians, François Furet and Raymond Aron in order to refute the evil views of researches who rejected the Holocaust Cult. On the last day of symposium the two chairmen had to admit publicly that, “despite the most scholarly research”, no order given by Hitler to kill the Jews had been found.

    8) On April 26, 1983, the long-running lawsuit against Professor Robert Faurisson, the world’s foremost critic of the Holocaust Cult for personal injury through falsification of history” (sic), begun by French Jewish organizations, in 1979, came to an end. On that day the first chamber of the Paris Court of Appeal, civil division section A, presided by judge Grégoire, It ruled, in effect, that there could be detected in Faurisson’s writings on the gas chambers no trace of rashness, no trace of negligence, no trace of having deliberately overlooked anything, nor any trace of a lie and that, as a consequence, “the appraisal of the value of the findings [on the gas chambers] defended by Mr Faurisson is a matter, therefore, solely for experts, historians and the public.” Profession Faurisson was ordered to pay a fine for making Jews feel unhappy.

    9) In 1983, on May 7, Simone Veil, who is Jewish and herself a “survivor of the genocide”, declared on the subject of the gas chambers. “However, everyone knows that the Nazis destroyed those gas chambers and systematically did away with all the witnesses” (France-Soir Magazine, May 7, 1983, p. 47).

    One must ask: if the gas chambers were destroyed, what are the tourists being shown at Auschwitz and Dachau? If all of the witnesses were killed, where did the “witnesses” come from since 1945?

    10) In 1961 the Jew Raul Hilberg, orthodox historian of the Holocaust Cult Number One, published the first edition of his major work, The Destruction of the European Jews, and it was in 1985 that he brought out the second edition, a profoundly revised and corrected version.

    In the first edition the Hilberg had brazenly affirmed that “the destruction of the Jews of Europe” had been set off following two consecutive orders given by Hitler.
    Hilberg neither specified the dates nor reproduced the wording of the alleged Hitler orders.

    Hilberg professed to explain in detail the political, administrative and bureaucratic process of that destruction. He went so far as to write that at Auschwitz the extermination of the Jews was organized by an office that was in charge of both the disinfection of clothing and the extermination of human beings (The Destruction of the European Jews, 1961, republished in 1979 by Quadrangle Books, Chicago, p. 177, 570).

    However, in 1983, Hilberg suddenly changed his tune. He proceeded to state that the business of “the destruction of the European Jews” had, after all, gone on without a plan, without any organization, centralization, project or budget, but altogether thanks to “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy” (Newsday, New York, February 23, 1983, p. II/3).

    In October 2006, Hilberg told Le Monde: “There was no pre-established guiding plan. As for the question of the decision, it is in part unsolvable: no order signed by Hitler has ever been found, doubtless because no such document ever existed. I am persuaded that the bureaucracies moved through a sort of latent structure: each decision brings on another, then another, and so forth, even if it isn’t possible to foresee exactly the next step” (Le Monde des livres, October 20, 2006, p. 12).

    Hilberg disowned his first version and to explain a gigantic undertaking of collective murder as if it had all been carried out through something like the workings of the Tooth Fairy.
    The alleged mass extermination of the Jews si supposed to have taken place without intent and without a plan. It is alleged to has happened all by itself, spontaneously and through improvisation. Yes, Germans are famous for their spontaneity. German soldiers never need orders.

    11) In May 1986 in France, certain Jews, alarmed upon realizing that they could not manage to answer the critics of the Holocaust Cult on the simple plane of reason, decided to obtaining a legal prohibition of critical research and thinking about their sacred cow.

    Chief amongst them were Georges Wellers and Pierre Vidal-Naquet, grouped, with their friends, round France’s head rabbi René-Samuel Sirat (Bulletin quotidien de l’Agence télégraphique juive, June 1986, p. 1, 3). After four years, on July 13, 1990, they would get, thanks notably to Jewish former Prime Minister Laurent Fabius, then president of the National Assembly, a special law passed allowing for the punishment of any person who publicly made revisionist statements on the subject of the “extermination of the Jews”: up to a year’s imprisonment, a fine of €45,000 and still other sanctions.

    You see, the Holocaust Cult must be true since it is a crime to dispute it in public.

    12) In August 1986 Michel de Boüard, himself deported during the war as a resistant, professor of history and Dean of letters at the University of Caen (Normandy), member of the Institut de France and former head of the Commission d’histoire de la deportation within the official Comité d’histoire de la deuxième guerre mondiale, declared that “the dossier is rotten”. He specified that the history of the German concentration camp system, was “rotten” due to “a huge amount of made-up stories, inaccuracies stubbornly repeated — particularly where numbers are concerned — amalgamations and generalizations”. (Ouest-France of August 2nd and 3rd, 1986, p. 6).

    He went so far so far as to say that, if he hitherto personally upheld the existence of a gas chamber in the Mauthausen camp, he had done so wrongly, on the faith of what was said around him.

    13) Arno Mayer, an American professor of Jewish origin teaching contemporary European history at Princeton University, wrote on the subject of the Nazi gas chambers: “Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable” (The “Final Solution” in History, New York, Pantheon Books, 1988, p. 362).

    14) In 1989 Swiss historian Philippe Burrin, admitted the absence of traces of the crime and note what he decided to call “the stubborn erasure of the trace of anyone’s passing through” (p. 9). He bemoaned “the large gaps in the documentation” and added: “There subsists no document bearing an extermination order signed by Hitler. […] In all likelihood, the orders were given verbally. […] here the traces are not only few and far between, but difficult to interpret” (p. 13).

    Hitler et les juifs / Genèse d’un genocide, Paris, Seuil; English version: Hitler and the Jews: the Genesis of the Holocaust, London, Edward Arnold, 1994).

    You may imagine that the traces of Hitler’s crime are many and unambiguous but the historian who has examined the relevant documentation has, for his part, found nothing but sparse semblances and “traces”, and wonders what interpretation to give to them.

    15) We have all been told that the plan to exterminate the Jews was laid out in detail at the Wannsee Conference. Kevin Branaugh stared in a recent movie to prove this to the ignorant. In 1992 Yehuda Bauer, professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, stated at an international conference on the genocide of the Jews held in London: “The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at” (Jewish Telegraphic Agency release published as “Wannsee’s importance rejected”, Canadian Jewish News, January 30, 1992, p. 8).

    16) In January 1995 French historian Eric Conan, co-author with Henry Rousso of Vichy, un passé qui ne passe pas (Paris, Gallimard, 2001 [1994, 1996]; English edition: Vichy: an ever-present past, Hanover, New Hampshire and London, University Press of New England, 1998), wrote that Professor Faurisson had been right after all to certify, in the late 1970s, that the gas chamber thus far visited by millions of tourists at Auschwitz was completely fake.

    Conan then related a staggering remark by Krystyna Oleksy, deputy director of the Auschwitz National Museum, who could not find the resolve to explain the misrepresentation to the public. He wrote: “Krystyna Oleksy […] can’t bring herself to do so: ‘For the time being [the room designated as a gas chamber] is to be left “as is”, with nothing specified to the visitor. It’s too complicated. We’ll see to it later on’” (“Auschwitz: la mémoire du mal” [Auschwitz: the remembrance of evil], L’Express, January 19-25, 1995, p. 68).

    The Polish official meant, in plain language: we have lied, we are lying and, until further notice, we shall continue to lie.

    17) The leftwing French historian Jacques Baynac, a staunch opponent of the scholarly critics of the Holocaust Cult since 1978, ended up admitting, after due consideration, that there was no evidence of the Nazi gas chambers’ existence. One could not fail to note, wrote Baynac, “the absence of documents, traces or other material evidence” (Le Nouveau Quotidien de Lausanne [Switzerland], September 2, 1996, p. 16, and September 3, 1996, p. 14). But he said that he continued to believe in n the existence of those magical gas chambers.

    18) In 2000, at the end of her book Histoire du négationnisme en France (Paris, Gallimard), Valérie Igounet published a long text by Jean-Claude Pressac. In 1993-1994, Pressac was the protégé of the French Jew Serge Klarsfeld and the American rabbi Michael Berenbaum, Project Director at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. He was acclaimed worldwide as an extraordinary researcher who, in his book on Les Crématoires d’Auschwitz, la machinerie du meurtre de masse (Paris, CNRS éditions, 1993; English title: The Auschwitz Crematories. The Machinery of Mass Murder), had disproved the charges of the scholarly researcher who disputed the Holocaust Cult.

    In Igounet’s book, he signed his act of surrender. Like Professor Michel de Boüard, see point 12 above, he concluded that the dossier on the concentration camp system was irremediably “rotten”. He asked: “Can things be put back on an even keel?” and answered: “It is too late”. He added: “The current form, albeit triumphant, of the presentation of the camp universe is doomed”. He finished by surmising that everything that had been invented around sufferings all too real was bound “for the rubbish bins of history” (p. 651-652).
    The man who once was presented by the world press as an extraordinary researcher who had at last discovered the scientific proof of the Nazi gas chambers’ existence, ended up acknowledging his error. A few years later, not a single newspaper or magazine announced his death.

    19) Justice Charles Gray conceded in his judgment at the end of trial of the Jewish-American academic Deborah Lipstadt for libeling the British historian David Irving that “contemporaneous documents yield little clear evidence of the existence of gas chambers designed to kill humans” (p. 489). In the text of his judgment, Charles Gray admitted surprise: “I have to confess that, in common I suspect with most other people, I had supposed that the evidence of mass extermination of Jews in the gas chambers at Auschwitz was compelling. I have, however, set aside this preconception when assessing the evidence adduced by the parties in these proceedings” (13.71).

    20) In 2005, Yves Ternon conceded “It is known that the Führer neither drafted nor signed any order to eliminate the Jews…” Ternon then alleged that the decisions to exterminate the Jews were made in unrecorded secret meetings with unidentified German officials. (Yves Ternon, Revue d’histoire de la Shoah, July-December 2005, p. 537).

    Recapitulation:

    The official defenders of the Holocaust Cult

    1. cannot invoke a single document proving the crime;

    2. are unable to provide the least representation of the crime weapon;

    3. cannot produce any proof nor even any evidence;

    4. cannot name a single truthful witness (see above, S. Veil’s opinion on the matter);

    5. admit that their dossier is rotten (twice repeated), irremediably rotten and that it is bound for the rubbish bins of history;

    6. admit the sources formerly invoked have revealed themselves to be not only rarer than was claimed but also unreliable;

    7. admit hat the alleged traces of the crime are few and far between, and difficult to interpret;

    8. concede that their side has used falsifications, misrepresentation, and artifice;

    9. Concede that in support of their case there has too often been invoked a “silly [sic] story”, that of a decision to exterminate the Jews supposedly taken on January 20, 1942 at Berlin-Wannsee;

    10. The foremost of their number, Raul Hilberg, now explains it all in a nonsensical way, by supposing the German bureaucracy boldly acted without any order, plan, instruction, supervision or budget. Thanks to an incredible meeting of minds and mind reading.

    11. First in France and later in a number of other countries in Europe, the high priest of the Holocaust Cult have demanded special laws to silence their critics. When reason, history and science failed, these fanatics demanded policemen arrest their critics.

    This presentation is based upon my own research and a speech given by Professor Robert Faurisson at the Tehran Holocaust Conference, December 11, 2006

  116. Rob on March 12th, 2010 2:51 pm

    For those interested in an article on the religion of Holocaustianity, the newly imposed western faith, here’s a link:

    http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_fundamental_flaws_of_the_holocaust_cult/#c90076

  117. Rob on March 12th, 2010 3:10 pm

    “To Rob the [flame deleted]:”

    Did you mean the “[flame deleted]“? Come on, man! You’re constantly boasting like the jew that you are about your alleged high intellect and your being literate in something like 20 languages? Get it straight.

    Shalom! Next year in Jerusalem.

  118. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 3:22 pm

    To Drew:

    I have no intention of engaging you or anyone else on this blog in an interminable debate on the reality off the Holocaust. I myself have met Holocaust survivors and have absolutely no reason to dobut the veracity of their acounts. I have also personally known several gentiles (Poles and Ukrainians) who were deported as slave laborers to Germany during the war and have no reason to question their accounts either.
    I don’t believe this is solely a matter of concern for Jews, It is my understanding that several million Russian prisoners of war were deliberately starved to death in captivity (although some of them were saved for use in medical experiments), that three million Polish gentiles (among them aristocrats, intellectuals, priests, and other potential resistance leaders) were murdered by German authorities, and that tens of thousands of Polish children were kidnapped for “Germanization,” with those found unfit being euthanized or otherwise disposed of. (I am leaving out here the sufferings of thousands of gentiles worked to death in underground misile factories, or the massacre of Czech villagers at Lidice, among other atrocities.).
    As you see, this topic is not just a matter for Jews but should also concern rational white nationalists, inasumch as many of your own racial kinsmen had to die for the sake of Hitler’s dream of a pan-Germanic empire.

  119. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 3:36 pm

    To Rob the [flame deleted]:

    Yes, I can indeed read 20 languages with varying degrees of fluency, but am not famiiar with the nonsensical gibberish that you cribbed from some deranged idiot on other website. Should I have written “[flame deleted]” or “[flame deleted],” or some permutation thereoff? Not having the mental level of a three-year old anymore, I find it exceedingly difficult to descend to your intellectual and emotional plane. Most of the people I associate and work with, you see, are able to convey their thoughts without resorting to arbitarily concocted childish babble that amuses and impresses nobody but themselves.

  120. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 3:57 pm

    To Rob:

    Unforutnately for your lame-brained argument –that Jewish influence has mainly been a force for evil in civilization–it would seem to most rational people that the disproportionate presence of Jews in every area of academic, medical, and scientific endeavor, , not to mention the social sciences, literature, music, and the arts, is far more eloquent testimony to their accomplsihmetns than is is the inchoate raving of a pathetic sociopath who cribs his half-baked ideas about religon, philosophy, anthropology from like-minded misfits.
    If you have been inoculated for polio, [flame deleted], you are carrying a vaccine devised by a JEW, and therefore the best solution for you, if you have a shred of Aryan self-respect, would be to commit sepukkyu to expunge yourself of this terrible disgrace.

  121. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 4:13 pm

    A furtehr response to RRRR:

    There is no inconsistency whatsoever in my comments, for I apply here the criteron used by one of the guiding lights of Aryan thought, Julius Streicher: one droop of alien blood and any sexual contact with a non-Aryan is enough to render one unfit for membership in the Volksgemeinschaft (surely you are all familiar with the Nuremberg Laws, which prescribed the most several punishments for “Blutschande”).
    Following this line of reasoning, the countless millions of your kinsman in the European homeland and its colonies who carry Bantu, Jewish, Amerind, East Asian, South Asian, and other “artfremdes Blut” are forever tainted and unfit for membership in the Volksgemeinschaft, much less mating with simon-pure Aryan females (since there are so precious few of them left, you must safeguard them from possible genetic contamination).
    I am not aware of any such a stringent genetic crtierion (not to have one drop of alien blood) being advanced for self-determination on the part of other peoples.
    What ARE you going to do with all those crypto-Jews in Spain, Italy, Malta, and the Balksn, Ranting Rob? They are a potential fifth column and must be ferreted out, otherwise they could revert to type and undermine your grand project of an Aryan renaissance.

  122. Rob on March 12th, 2010 4:23 pm

    “I have no intention of engaging you or anyone else on this blog in an interminable debate on the reality off the Holocaust. I myself have met Holocaust survivors and have absolutely no reason to dobut the veracity of their acounts.”

    The holocaust debate is one you can’t win because your holocaust “survivors” are lying little kosher swine whose fibbing at the expense of he gullible brainwashed goyim has paid handsome dividends. The fact they need to throw people into dungeons in Europe for having questioned it is all we need to know about its “veracity”. The jewish court historians haven’t got the guts for an honest debate on it against the revisionists.

  123. Rob on March 12th, 2010 4:30 pm

    “not to mention the social sciences, literature, music, and the arts, is far more eloquent testimony to their accomplsihmetns than is is the inchoate raving of a pathetic sociopath who cribs his half-baked ideas about religon, philosophy, anthropology from like-minded misfits.”

    Keep having your embarrassing semitic meltdowns, [flame deleted]. They speak more eloquently than anyone here ever could to your lack of arguments. Your providing light-hearted comic relief.

  124. Rob on March 12th, 2010 4:43 pm

    “There is no inconsistency whatsoever in my comments, for I apply here the criteron used by one of the guiding lights of Aryan thought, Julius Streicher: one droop of alien blood and any sexual contact with a non-Aryan is enough to render one unfit for membership in the Volksgemeinschaft”

    Well boys, we’ve seen the full spectrum of the jewish arsenal of argumentation. Diversion, denial, angry rants and playing the victim, and now just outright deliberate bald-face lying. Your one “droop” rule, as you’ve written above, was NOT the rule implemented throughout the German nation. It shows how desperate you are to shamelessly dredge up any lie at this point to save face, even resorting to lies that can readily be dismissed by any google search. Don’t conflate the American south with the Nuremberg laws, [flame deleted].

    “much less mating with simon-pure Aryan females (since there are so precious few of them left,”

    Observe the satanic glee with which this creature gloats. Of course, he has nothing against whites, nothing at all.

  125. Joel Stern on March 12th, 2010 5:05 pm

    The “meltdowns” are all on your part, [flame deleted].
    The fact that David Irrving and other Holocasut deniers such as Marek Weber of the Institute of Historical Review have been proven in court to be liars is eloquent testimony to me regarding the veracity of your absurd claims.
    I shoujd think you’d be more familiar with Julius Streicher, since you echo his same pathological drivel with monotonous nauseating consistency.
    Those crypto-Jews and other concealed elements among the European Volk seem not to concern you; I question your true commitment to the sacred cause. Is it because you fear that you yourself you may be harboring some of those “artfremd” genes in your own bloodline? It’s not the first time that a paranoid has projected his own fears into the object of his maniacal hatred; Heydrich and Hitler himself displayed the same pathological trait.
    Remember, punk, if you were inoculated for polio you are carrhing within you a JEWISH-created vaccine, and the only honoralble solution for you is to cleanse yourself by self-immolation.

  126. Rob on March 12th, 2010 7:08 pm

    The [flame deleted] keeps ranting and deliberately lying about both the Nuremberg Laws and everything else in regards to revisionism by drooling at the mouth with lie after lie. He’s in jew cruise control at this point and doing what jews do best, with the characteristic jew vitriol for whites on full display. Irving’s “lie” was his recanting about the holocaust towards his hearing to get a reduction in hearing, you [flame deleted]. When holocaust “denial” is a crime and heretics are thrown into dungeons for daring questioning the lie that 6 million kosher pigs were sent up the chimneys, what else is one to do in a similar situation when dealing with the jewish iron heel? [flame deleted]

  127. Drew on March 12th, 2010 8:24 pm

    Joel, the wonderful jewish invention of the Polio vaccine was a failure. Every child that developed polio after the vaccine was introduced had been given the vaccine, which Salk later admitted actually contained live SV40 virus–the simian cancer virus. It was based on junk science and did nothing but make its manufacturers rich. The recent outbreak of polio in Africa revealed that every new case of polio occured in people who had recently received your Jewish gift to the world.

    If you’re going to brag about great jewish accomplishments, at least choose things besides atomic weapons, aka, ‘the jewish hell bomb’, or bogus vaccines which have done nothing but cause unprecedented levels of cancer, diabetes, and neurological disorders. You have much to be proud of.

    But then again, according to your beloved book of wisdom, The Talmud, your doctors are commanded to kill their Gentile patients if they can do so without being found out. I suggest your read Eustace Mullins’ excellent book, “Murder By Injection” before you continue to brag about the Jewish contributions to medicine.

  128. Drew on March 13th, 2010 11:07 am

    Joel’s jewish intellectual hero, Eric Fromm, was an associate and friend of fellow Frankfurt School Jewish agitator and demagogue, Max Horkheimer, who had this to say about how their anti-White, pro-Jewish Marxist agenda would evolve in America:

    “The Revolution won’t happen with guns; rather it will happen incrementally, year by year, generation by generation. We will gradually infiltrate their educational institutions and their political offices, transforming them slowly into Marxist entities as we move towards universal egalitarianism.”

    Joel has internalized this insidious and demented ideology. Trying to defend it on this forum has clearly caused him both mental and emotional distress. We can only hope he seeks the appropriate medical attention from one of his trusted Jewish psychiatrists before he goes off the deep end, like the Jewish hero Baruch Goldstein who walked into a mosque in Hebron and shot dead 29 Muslims while they prayed.

  129. Joel Stern on March 15th, 2010 10:01 am

    Combined reply to Drew and Ranting Rob:

    To Drew:

    I’m afraid you’re wrong on a number of counts.
    First, I don’t believe in crude Marxism or egalitarianism, since they are as divorced from reality as the Aryan myth concocted by racist ideologues to justify the enslavement, displacement, and extinction of peoples considered to be on a lower plane of development.
    Second, your idea that I am mentally distressed to the point that I might emulate “Jewish hero” Baruch Goldstein is also a product of your warped imagination. Unlike your Aryan heros Hitler, Heydrich, Himmler, Matt Hale, the late unlamented William Pierce, or your resident Voice of Reason sociopath Ranting Rob, I have never enteritained fantasies of violence against entire ethnic groups or races. But I do find this to be a very common mindset among some of the posters here, ton he Occidental Observer blog, and on Stormfront, among other putrescent swamplands that I have visited out of curiosity./
    Your solicitious advice to consult a medical professional lest I go off the deep end would, therefore, apply much more relevantly to you and your cohoorts. Unfortunately, as M. Scott Peck pointed out in his excellent treatise “Poeple of the Lie,”, the pathological traits manifested in the syndrome of maligant narcissim, such as clinical paranoia, socipathy, and megalomania, are extremely resistant to therapy and offer little hope of recovery.
    Your passage from Horkheimer could easily be parallled by racial supremacist tracts by Gobineau, H.S. Chamberlain, H. Guenther, O. von Verscheurer, Madison Grant, L. Stoddard, T. Bilbo, Tom Metzger, and many other lesser lights of the lunatic fringe. The history of innumerable intra-European fratricidal wars and the bloody expansion of western colonizers throughout the world show their practical application and consequences).
    As for the harm allegedly caused by Jewish-developed medicine, it does not begin to approach the scale of suffering and death inflictedt by Nazi medical experimentation on live GENTILE prisoners of war, the Tuskegee experiment involving blacks in the 1930s and 1940s, the forced sterilization and euthanziation of hundreds of helpless “undesirables” in various institutions both in Europe and the United States during the height of eugenic madness in the first half of the twentieth century, and other atrocities perpetrated by white scientists obsessed with the creation of a master race (you can read more about this subject in various studies devoted to the Pioneer Fund in the U.S. and its affiliated eugenicists in Germany).
    I also recommend for your edification the book “Nazi Docotrs” by Yale psychiatrist Robert J. Lifton for a study of the perverted use of medical science based on spurious anthropological doctrines.
    The dsproportionate number of achievements by Jews in medicine and other branches of science, as reflected in the number of Nobel Prizes and other distinguished awards they have won over the past hundred years, speak for themselves and need no defense on my part.
    Lastly, the nuclear weapon you characterize as the “Jewish hell bomb” would have been developed and no doubt used by the Nazis themselves had they not been obsessed with and sidetracked by the peuedo-scences favored by Himmler and other cranks; genocidal maniac William Pierce had no compunction about advocating their use in his “Tuner Diaries” to wipe out most of humanity to usher in his demented racial utopia.

    To Ranting Rob:

    Your latest postings, sections of which have been flamed out, indicate further mental deterioration–if such were possible in a far-advanced case like yours. Your initial threadbare, unoriginal invectives regarding Jews, such as hook-nosed k.kes, she.nies, vermin, maggots, worms, rats, sophists, parasites, etc. have become slightly more inventive, with the addition of “kosher swine,” which reveals a certain creativity I had not expcted from a a crude sociopath. My kudos to you for this new term.
    Apart from my praise, however, I do feel compelled to correct a certain misperception on your part. Namely, you criticize me for conflating the concept of “one drop” “Blutschande” with the Nuremberg Laws. True enough, those laws did not formally codify such a concept, but Julius Streicher did say that “one drop of Jewish blood pollutes the race,” and the venomous anti-Semitic screeds in Der Stuermer drove home this point with nauseating repetitiveness. I have no doubt that Streicher’s view, albeit not embodied in judicial codexes, was nevertheless shared by many readers of that subliterate rag and found expression in the unspeakably vile potboilers by Veit Harlan–which I’m sure you have watched any number of times.
    It is a fact, as you yourself admit, that the “one-drop” rules did hold sway in Southern states with respect to questions of Negro lineage, hence Strecher’s dictum found a practical application in the U.S. until the legal abolishment of segregation.
    I have asked this question before, but will repeat it for the benefit of those who have just jointed this thread: :You want to preserve not only your so-called “white” civilization, but also the genetic identity of those who created it. A Very idealistic goal, but what is going to be the mechanism for its implementation? Do you plan to use the tried-and-true “one-drop” rule beloved by Southern segragationists, or rather the European racial classification system fashioned by Nazi eugenicists such as Eugen Fisher, Fritz Lenz, and Hans Guenther? The latter system seems a bit loose and inconistent to me, inasmuch as a large number (as many as 150,000 “Mischlings” slipped under the radar to serve in the German armed forces, including Helmut Schmidt, Eduard Milch, and Guenther Lutgens, commander of the Bismarck, and maybe even SS paladin Reinhard Heydrich; John of UK–will help me here?). Not to mention the unseemly tolerance shown to race-traitors like Carl Jung (with his semitic mistress Sabina Spielrein) or the inconic Aryan philospher Martin Heidegger (who shtupped his Jewsih student and later famous historian Hannah Arendt–you are of course aware of Heidegger’s “disgraceful behavior”, aren’t you?).
    I’m not going to waste time, Ranting Rob, in responding to your peremptory dismissal of manifold literary, artistic, musical, and other cultural achievements of Jews–all of whom dwarf you in intellect, talent, and other human qualities–but I do marvel at the wide range of your own faculties. It turns out that not only are you versed in the ethnogenesis of Japanese, Turkic peoples, Jews, Tocharians, and other far-flung ethnies, and that you are such a student of comparative religions that you can discourse knowledgeably about the syncretic, unoriginal, bastardized nature of Judaism, but you are so thoroughly conversant with Jewish music that you grudgingly acknowledge Mendelssohn’s genius but dismiss all the other Jewish composers, and are such an expert in Jewish art that you dismiss it out of hand as “dreck.” However, all this is a matter of subjective taste and I’m not about to break lances with such an erudite polymath.
    What most interests me in your recent postings is your megalomanic call for Christianity to “wither on the vine,” to be supplanted by science and evolutionism (you don’t specify what kind of science, but I assume you are referring to Nazi-eral “Rassenkunde,” a la Guenther, Lenz, and von Verschuer, nicht wahr?).
    Now, I hold no brief for Christianity or any other organzied religion, , but if I had to place a bet, I would feel confident in wagering that Christianity, despite its many internal conflicts, would stand a much better chance of survivingg than the farrago of doctrines espoused by you and fellow misfits, drunkards, perverts, failures, degenerates, pedophiles (e.g. Kevin Alfred Strom), compuslive gamblers and serial adulterrs (David Duke, Goebbels), and homocidal lunatics (James Van Brun, Robert Matthews) that populate the white supremacist lunatic frnge.
    I

  130. Rob on March 15th, 2010 7:32 pm

    “You want to preserve not only your so-called “white” civilization, but also the genetic identity of those who created it. A Very idealistic goal, but what is going to be the mechanism for its implementation? Do you plan to use the tried-and-true “one-drop” rule beloved by Southern segragationists, or rather the European racial classification system fashioned by Nazi eugenicists such as Eugen Fisher, Fritz Lenz, and Hans Guenther?”

    There are large and significantly growing communities of ethnic non-white minorities that need to be repatriated to their lands of origin. This is first and foremost. I think I speak for everyone here when I say we’re touched by your concern for our idealistic program and how we intend to implement it, but these mischling populations you speak of are numerically so insignificant compared to the millions of non-white ethnics now forming parallel communities in white lands. As for the rest, considering you’re a jew and you have a sovereign state in Israel, it shouldn’t be your concern, any more than it would be mine what Korea’s racial and migrant policies are. In spite of your repeated gleeful insinuations that somehow whites are so far and few between that our “project” is futile, the fact is that genetically speaking, despite white people’s wide phenotypic diversity, white Europeans are genetically more homogeneous than either east Asian mongoloids or African negroids.

    “Not to mention the unseemly tolerance shown to race-traitors like Carl Jung (with his semitic mistress Sabina Spielrein) or the inconic Aryan philospher Martin Heidegger (who shtupped his Jewsih student and later famous historian Hannah Arendt–you are of course aware of Heidegger’s “disgraceful behavior”, aren’t you?).”

    Your arguments really are spent when you have to resort to this sort of absurdity. The inference here must be that since Jung and Heidegger had jewish mistresses, whites should forfeit their quest for ethnically homogeneous communities free of alien influence in their own indigenous living space? Save whatever dignity you have left, and just disappear.

  131. Joel Stern on March 16th, 2010 12:45 pm

    No ranting Rob, I’m not quite ready to disapper just yet, just to please you. Yourl ast posting did sound a bit more temperate than usual (i.e. no “fllamed out” portions), so it may be a faint but encouraging sign of incipient rationality.
    I do want to question one of your assertions, namely the statistically “insignficant” proportion of “mischlings” in the lands populated predominantly by European Caucasians. Is that universally true? I”m not a physical anthropologist or geneticist, but from my study of European history I know that prior to World War II, Jews had been living in large swaths of Europe (particularly medieval Spain, Italy, the Balkans, Ukraine, Hungary, Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Austria, ec.) for many centuries, and that as a result of intermarriage and less formal carnal relations between Jews and gentiles a certain genetic intermixture had taken place. The extent of this miscegnation is uncertain and cannot be precisely determined without exhaustive and time-consuming genetic testing (which of course will never be one-hundred percent authoritative at this stage of our knowledge). The extent of intermarriage in the United States, of course, has been even more widespread, at least after the war. . Therefore, I would natrually expect that the number of “mischlings,” while perhaps not comparable in to the teeming masses of Mestizos and others who so alarm you, may be greater than you suspect. I myself know several individuals with a seemingly “Aryan” phenotype (blond hair, green or blue eyes, tall) who have confessed their part-Jewish ancestry to me. Surely you have heard of the beautiful actresses Jane Seymour, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Scarlett Johanssen (all Halb-Juden) or the actresses Alicia Silverstone and Lisa Kudrow? They certainly do not correspond to your primitive stereotypical image. The problem of identification is compounded when one considers the number of blacks and other minorities whose phenotype is so altered by European genes that they can sometimes pass for whites.
    Thus, If you seek to remove undesirables from your midst not only in your European homeland but also in your scattered colonies in the Western hemisphere, South Africa, Australia, and elsewhere, you will not only have to reckon with the resistance you are sure to encounter on the part of the undesirables and their misguided gentile friendscolleague//spouses/lovers/etc., but also the tremendous difficultiy in reaching consensus on a foolproof crterion to determine worthiness for membership in the future Volkgemenischaft.
    I mentioned the lax moral conduct of Jung and Heidegger to raise an important issue for you Volkgenossen: Dd you really want to welcome benighted traitors who may not themselves carry suspect genes but fornicate–and perhaps even sire children–with thsoe who do?

  132. Dave on March 16th, 2010 3:48 pm

    You are all simply missing the point; we Europeans have an inherent right to the European continent, just as the so-called Hawaiians, Black Africans, Chinese, Japanese, and Indians all have a similar right to their respective living spaces. Given this fundamental fact of existence, they have all instituted very restrictive, even punative measures upon immigrant populations because they are not ‘indigenous’ to those areas. They have disallowed immigrants from owning land; forced them to pay exhorbitantly higher taxes and other institutionalized tributes; forced them to hire ‘indigenous’ peoples; given ‘indigenous’ peoples preferential educational opportunities and the like.
    We Europeans must now do the absolute same thing without further delay. We are an agrieved peoples in our own lands; we are ‘squatters’ in our own lands; we are having our women and children raped, murdered, and enslaved in our own lands; we have having our men forced out of normal economic life in our own lands; we are having our men murdered in our own lands; we are having our own people genocided in our own lands.
    No immigrant to Europe should ever be allowed to own land; to own a business outright; all Europeans must be given preferential treatment in terms of hiring, education, land ownershhip, rent reduction, home ownership etc, etc..
    We were here first and that’s it; we will not accept any other point of view, for, there is only our point of view; the Caucasian’s point of view. We are telling our own people and YOU that we have actually been there since the beginning of time and we own every piece of dirt; every grain of sand; every blade of grass; every bug; every animal and every hair on their bodies; we own every immmigrant and their resources that they allegedly make abroad or in Europe; we own the air; we even own the universe that surrounds Europe. Rights are for us only; we do not believe in applying them universally, but we do indeed believe in applying obligations universally FROM all other peoples. That’s all that you people need to know. And if immigrants don’t like giving us this tribute, then let them all go back to their beautiful ancestral homelands.

  133. Dave on March 16th, 2010 4:09 pm

    In other words, the fundamental principle guiding our thoughts, actions, politics, and morality is whether it benefits, furthers, maintains, or enriches the indigenous European people; if so, then it is the good, if not then it is evil, and must be discarded. Allowing immigrants into Europe is bad for indigenous Europeans unless they in all of their efforts are made to, either explicitly or implicitly, make the lives of indigenous Europeans richer and more enjoyable, and, make higher indigenous European birth rates more feasible and less costly.
    They must be imbued with the incessant feelings of guilt, duty, service to the European peoples for their unbelievable violations and murders of our people.

  134. Dave on March 16th, 2010 4:40 pm

    We will slam away at all aspects of their cultures until they no longer exist…or at least don’t feel the essential vitality to exist. We must go to any town, city, or area within our Europaean country whereever there is a sizeable non-european population and gain control of the local political chairs; then we can simply vote for large transfers of money from the non-european populations to be given to our people in the form of extremelly large cheques increased numbers of children. In this way our people will be able to increase their birth rates in our own lands and stop being squatters in our own lands.
    As it stands now, we are being enslaved to pay for the standard of living of the non-European populations within our ancestral homelands. This will stop. If they want to stay in our ancestral homelands, they must devote their lives to supporting the demands and requirements of the true European peoples; they must finance the increase in our birth rates; they must devote their entire lives to the betterment and maintainance of the Europid forever.

  135. Dave on March 16th, 2010 5:13 pm

    Finally, what we mean when we say that we will “slam every aspect of their cultures” is that we will not stop imposing feelings of guilt, self questioning, self doubt, self marginalization, and character self reorganization. We are not here talking about committing physical harm against the non-european. Quite the opposite, we want them to be generally economically successful and absorbed so that we can transfer larger amount of wealth to our people in the form of compensation for their invasions, predations, violations, and general disrespect of our people. That is what we mean. And we will not stop until we get it.
    Lastly, we believe that we deserve similar compensation payments from their countries of origin as well to be given in perpetuity for the fact that these people hail from these other coutries. These are essential planks to all of our political efforts.

    Cheers

  136. Rob on March 16th, 2010 7:35 pm

    “Yourl ast posting did sound a bit more temperate than usual”

    That’s boredom you detect. It seems your long-winded verbose posts are designed to do just that. You can’t win an argument, so you’re going to try to bore us to death.

    “The extent of this miscegenation is uncertain and cannot be precisely determined without exhaustive and time-consuming genetic testing (which of course will never be one-hundred percent authoritative at this stage of our knowledge).”

    There are always genotypic outliers in any population. If there weren’t such outliers, that would mean there had been no genic flow between neighboring populations throughout the ages. This does NOT negate the concept of races, or the regional populations that are clearly observable today.

    My personal opinion, since you’re so obviously interested, is that a stricter version of the Nuremberg Laws would be in order. Even 2nd degree mischlings would be problematic, since they would invariably come to see themselves as a distinct group for having 1 Jewish or non-white grandparent. This could lead to more of the same “us” versus “them” dynamic as with any other minority. Further back than that, people are likely not to identify that way with a great-grandparent and the problem dissipates.

    “Dd you really want to welcome benighted traitors who may not themselves carry suspect genes but fornicate–and perhaps even sire children–with thsoe who do?”

    People who have sired such children can follow their offspring to their new homes after repatriation.

  137. Joel Stern on March 18th, 2010 3:33 pm

    Combined answer to Dave and Rob:

    To Dave:

    You want to reclaim your ancestral homelands for native Europeans. . Nonetheless, some formal and verifiable criteria will need to be formulated by your intellectual mentors (e.g. Tom Sunic), not by skinhead louts and illiterate cretins, if you want your movement to be taken seriously, not just regarded as a lunatic fring without a meaningful raison d’etre. For example, do you seek a Nordic-dominated Europe (the Nazi vision) or a generic white continent where all ethnies will be free to interbreed? As any student of Eruopean history knows, and as I have pointed out repeatedly, certain areas of your continent have been settled for many centuries by peoples who carry non-western genes owing to extensive genetic admixture (Andalusia, Malta, Sicily, the Balkans, Hungary, Ukraine, Poland, and Russia). Phenotype alone will not be a reliable crtierion for judging their fitness for inclusion in your proposed “Volkgemeinschaft,” inasmuch as there are quite a few ostensible whites whose genetic makeup would displease the rabid racial purists among you. For example, the half-Jewish actor Paul Newman, with his handsome Aryan profile and luminous blue eyes–would you really tolerate him as a member of your family if he wished to marry your sister? Or would you want to sire children by lovely blonde actress Scarlett Johansson, also a half-Jew?
    It’s not enough to propose a grandiose but nebulous ideal; you need to develop a feasible mechanism for bringing it to fruition.

    To Ranting Rob:

    You concede that there are “genetic outsiders” (whose aileness may not be visible without careful testing) are present In Europe and its colonies; these so-called outsiders number n the scores if not hundreds of millions at this historical stage; it is highly improabable that they will all agree to be tested, deported, segregated, or otherwise disposed of voluntarily. Unless you can recruit a sufficiently large force of reliable, committed troops to carry out the ethnic cleansing you envisage (which will entail bloodshed and destruction on an unprecedented scale), I’m afraid that your goal of an unalloyed, racially homogenous white homeland will remain but a fool’s paradise and pipe-dream unworthy of serious consideratiion.

  138. Rob on March 18th, 2010 6:15 pm

    “these so-called outsiders number n the scores if not hundreds of millions at this historical stage”

    “I’m afraid that your goal of an unalloyed, racially homogenous white homeland will remain but a fool’s paradise and pipe-dream unworthy of serious consideratiion.”

    Rubbish, considering the ethnic Europeans whose lands have now been inundated with non-white migrants are the same people who until the late 80s enjoyed ethnic homogeneity in their own lands prior to the insane liberal migration policy was implemented. Your repetition of the same tired anti-white propaganda is tiresome and transparently hypocritical, and this is the last time it will be responded to. The ethnic Euros are entitled to their own nation states every bit as much as any of the non-whites, many of whom you’ve championed here, who are no more racially homogeneous than whites, are entitled to theirs. The fact that you’ve repeatedly applied one standard to non-whites and a completely different one for whites clearly reveals your anti-white genocidal bias in favor of race replacement, regardless of your protestations of innocence on this point.

    By the way, the word was outliers, not outsiders.

    “Unless you can recruit a sufficiently large force of reliable, committed troops to carry out the ethnic cleansing you envisage (which will entail bloodshed and destruction on an unprecedented scale)”

    Thanks for the newsflash. We’re aware this scenario is virtually assured thanks to the jews and their white liberal cohorts who tikkun olamed this situation onto whites. It’s only a matter of time before one side or the other, and in my opinion it will probably be the non-whites, starts a regional conflict once their numbers have reached a critical mass. Nobody said this was going to be easy or without conflict, and your smug gloating notwithstanding, we’ll see how history unfolds and which side prevails. Stay tuned.

  139. Captainchaos on March 19th, 2010 5:22 am

    “For example, do you seek a Nordic-dominated Europe (the Nazi vision) or a generic white continent where all ethnies will be free to interbreed?”

    Joel just loves to formulate his descriptions of our objectives in needling, sensationalistic fashion. What a Jew you are Joel. But to your question, I personally don’t desire intra-racial amalgamation, and see no reason the traditional peoples for whom the nations of Europe are named should not strive for their genetic continuity. America pretty well already is Nordic dominated, at least from the perspective of its White population.

  140. Joel Stern on March 19th, 2010 11:12 am

    To Captain Chaos:

    If seeking a modicum of clarity, coherence, and consistency among the proponents of white nationalism is a hallmark of being Jewish (“What a Jew you are, Joel”), I readily confess to that fault.
    The fact that rabid racists (from “La Raza” or similar non-European movements lack rational arguments doesn’t absolve you of the need to substantiate your raison d’etre as a serious intellectual cause, as opposed to a hodgepodge of sociopaths, crackpots, and embittered losers.
    The fact remains, whether you like it or not, that there is a distinct split in your rankst between strict Nordicists (such as Richard McCullogh, if I am spelling his name correctly) and Hans Guenther, and the more numerous pan-Aryanists, who lump together all white ethnies together in an amorphous horde despite the fact that large numbers of them in Southern and Eastern Eruope carry Jewish, Moorish, Turkic, Finno-Ugric, and other non-European elements in their genotype–the result of mass miscegnation that goes back many centuries, contrary to your absurd assertion that this process was initiated recently by “Jews and their liberal cohorts.” Your statement reflects once more the cllasic type of paranoid ideation that pins all blame for misfortune on convenien scapegoats, while absolving your kinsmen of all reponsibility for a misfortune (in this case, “race mixing” and dispossession). in which they played the dominant role. As I mentioned before, do you think the countless millions of meztizos and mulattos that populate the United States, Brazil, Mexico, and the countries of Central America and the Caribbean Basin and who continue to inundate your coloniies in the Western Hemisphere were sired by semittic interlopers?
    I’m staying tuned for the next chapter in your historical evolution, but the books I’ve read by “white” authors such as Stoddard, Grant, Spengler, and most recently Pat Buchanan give me a fairly good idea of how this scenario will play out.

  141. Rob on March 19th, 2010 2:14 pm

    “Joel just loves to formulate his descriptions of our objectives in needling, sensationalistic fashion. What a Jew you are Joel. But to your question, I personally don’t desire intra-racial amalgamation, and see no reason the traditional peoples for whom the nations of Europe are named should not strive for their genetic continuity. America pretty well already is Nordic dominated, at least from the perspective of its White population.”

    Yes CC, he repeatedly admits that it’s “our” civilization, yet then tries to argue “we” don’t exist. The onus was always on him to demonstrate why it is the peoples in Central Asia and the Caucasus, whom he clearly champions, should be entitled to have ethno-states free of “foreign influence” (his words), yet denies the same for whites. He never could explain it. He claims that whites are too miscegenated for there to be a white race entitled to its own territory, yet fails to explain how those he champions are less miscegenated (which they aren’t) than whites. As for his claims about mestizos in white nations, the U.S. was 90% whites in 1965 and the rest of it black, with the mestizo population growing subsequent to the 1965 immigration reform act via immigrants from Mexico. Similarly, the same situation now occurs in Europe with the recent African and middle eastern immigration. He then moves the goal post and argues that whites have always been miscegenated to begin with, and cites people in the Balkans and the Hungarians and so forth. He cites no genetic evidence for this presumably Asiatic mongrelization, yet when I pointed out back in another post that Central Asian turkics and people like even the Japanese were originally a hybrid people, his argument became that they had been there for a longER time, and that in the case of the Turkic central Asians, longer than the Russians, who were the interlopers. Using his very same logic, we could place the onus on him yet again to demonstrate why it is that these people in the Balkans and Hungary, who according to him are mongrels, should still cede any portion of their lands to more RECENT interlopers such as jews, Arabs, Turks, Africans, or anybody else for that matter, since they’ve been in there lands now as viable ethnicities for about 2000 years. But you know, CC, it is never a jew’s intention to be even handed with anybody, least of all whites. It is only its intention to attempt to sow demoralization and confusion among its enemies to gain leverage and maintain its parasitic status within what even it concedes is OUR civilization. At this point, we really have given the devil its due, and nothing can be further gained from engaging it in discourse and giving it a forum. You and I both know this well. History will tell whether we will allow ourselves to be talked into extinction by sophist jews, or whether whites will rally the the anti-bodies required to show our parasites the door, once and for all.

  142. Drew on March 19th, 2010 2:52 pm

    To Joel:
    You make many valid points about the absurdity of ‘pure’ race as an absolute concept, and Hitler himself would have agreed with you. As I’ve written in previous posts here, I stipulate that idea; it need not be argued with me.

    I’m sure you’re aware of the book by Jewish scholar, Shlomo Sand, “The Invention Off The Jewish People.” Hopefully, you’ve read it or are in the process of ordering it. He deconstructs the whole concept of Jewish racial identity, and basically comes to the conclusion, using your same strict guidelines, that the Jewish racial/ethnic identity is a myth.

    While I agree with Sand (and Koestler) that the Ashkenazi Jews are, in fact, descendants of Turk/Mongols, and are not a true Semitic people (as are the Palestinians), I do believe that modern day Ashkenazi probably do have, to a very small degree, Semitic blood or DNA markers. This is probably due to the fact that the original Kazarian rabbis were, in fact, from the Middle East, and did, in fact, miscegenate with their Turk/Mongol converts to Judaism, along with Separdim down the road.

    And yes, as you and Sand have pointed out, the Ashkenazi Jews who are descendants from Kazaria, have interbred, to a small degree, with the host populations of Russia, Poland, Ukraine, and Hungary, which is where you get your somewhat White european physiognamy, and which allows you to “pass” among us as “White people” to a certain degree.

    That said, let’s not forget a few things. If race doesn’t exist in your strict sense, genocide technically would therefore be impossible to orchestrate. And therefore, what you allege that the Nazis carried out against “The Jews” never happened. The Jews in WWII, like all of us, were just mischlings who happened to arbitrarily get wrongfully targeted. The Jews who thought they were Jews were actually, according to you and Sand, mistaken in their belief that they comprised a recognizable and valid racial/ethnic identity group.

    However, let’s not forget that when the ‘evil’ Nuremberg Laws were enacted, many Jewish rabbis and Zionist leaders applauded those laws because they felt that too many German Jews were assimilating into the larger German population. Yes, the Nuremberg Laws served radical Jewish purposes as much as they did those of the ‘radical’ Nazis.

    I also agree with you that there have been many Hollywood stars who are/were half or part Jewish and who were very attractive and talented. What you failed to acknowledge is that their attractiveness can be attributed to how much non-Jewish White european DNA shows up as a phenotype. This is no different from intelligent or ‘beautiful’ Negroes that you can parade around in front of us–most of them have a substantial percentage of White blood in them.

    So I will agree with you on that point–both Jews and Blacks have benefited greatly from miscegenating with Whites, though I’m not sure how I see that Whites benefit very much. For example, compared to the mediocre beauty (by Hollywood standards) that you’ve pointed out of Paltrow and Johansson, I don’t think anyone would argue that they belong in the same room as much more ‘pure’ White beauties as Grace Kelly, Rita Hayworth, Maureen O’Hara, or a Charlize Theron today.

    Along with some of your valid points, I have to point out that half-breeds, according to studies, tend to identify more with the ‘perceived’ racial underdog of their lineage than they do with the White part. Thus a half-Jew or a half-Black tends to still identify themselves as Jewish or Black. This phenomenon also explains why mulattos, for example, tend to breed with Blacks over Whites. If full Blacks can interbreed with Whites, then half-Blacks have a much better chance though they most often choose not to. This goes a long way in explaining why most ‘afro-americans’ have about 15% White blood, while very few ‘Whites’ have Black blood.

    I’m sure you’re familiar with the genetic studies on this issue which demonstrate that it takes at least five generations of ‘pure’ breeding to breed out most perceivable vestiges of miscegenation. You’ve asked for practical, objective criteria to base the definition of what ‘White’ (or any other race) is–well, how about that?

    This phenomenon goes far to explain the collapse of what were at one time dominant White civilizations–Eqypt, Greece, Rome, and even Portugal. The White ruling elite eventually interbred with the non-White under classes, which created a completely different dynamic. Yes, I agree with you–today’s desecendants of those ancient master ruling races are not the same as their ancestors who ruled the world at one point.

    How is all of this issue of race relevant today? From the perspective of today’s ruling elite, I’d say it is crucial. Their wish is to create a race of brown mischlings with no race to identify with over whom they dream of ruling. Don’t believe me? Try this direct quote from one of the early architects of the European Union:

    “We intend to turn Europe into a mixed race of Asians and Negros ruled over by the Jews.”
    –Count Kalergi-Coudenhove, 1925

    This goes a long way in explaining why Jews fear the concept of racial identity for anyone except for themselves. The Talmud makes this abundantly clear–that the abolition or race awareness among the Gentiles is one of their objectives toward world domination.

    This was part of the Jewish propaganda in the Bolshevik revolution, and it failed miserably. They could never successfully convince those Russian slavs not to notice that their rulers and executioners were, by and large, ethnic Jews, not slavs. If race is real to the Jewish elite who wish to dominate us, it would be foolish of us to give up our own racial cohesion, which is one of our best defenses against their agenda.

  143. Dave on March 19th, 2010 5:47 pm

    First we will demand preferential laws and treatment in our own countries, and then we will decide who is to be allowed into the family. That’s how it’s done, and that’s all there is to it. We don’t believe in over analysis paralysis. Besides, we don’t have to justify anything to those who are not totally in agreement with us. That’s it mister.
    All of these people will have to pay us reparations for murdering and raping our men, women, and children. There are at least 100 million European victims of these vile crimes, and they absolutely must be remedied. We don’t have to justify that to anyone ever.
    Why do you say:

    ” Nonetheless, some formal and verifiable criteria will need to be formulated by your intellectual mentors”

    We don’t need to have anyone except those in our movement decide who are of European descent. You still don’t understand this movement: The power of our position is that it does not rely upon our “intellectual mentors” to verify who is and is not one of us. We will decide that issue when we decide that issue. The Irish people know that they are being genocided. We will simply appeal to those poor victims of rape, murder, maltreatment, and subversion. They know who they are.

    One of the proverbs in our religious scripure essentially states that the enemy will always try to call into question your racial distinctness. If our enemies had left us alone, we would not now be seeking to recify the matter in this way. They left us no other recourse. But that’s their problem now not ours.

  144. Dave on March 19th, 2010 6:07 pm

    Moreover, we will then demand that only our own people are allowed to vote in our elections and own land. Only indigenous populations should be allowed to own any land whatsoever. Whenever, an indigenous person wants that land that one of the conquerers has in his unjust possession, then he absolutely must be legally compelled to give it to the indigenous citizen.

    The most important aspect of maintaining our people is to increase our birth rates. It is very hard to do this when you are being stolen from from the conquerers. We will, therefore, make them pay us to have more children, and we will. The laws must be altered so that every resource available is given to those of our poeple who wish to make and maintain large numbers of children.

    These measures are in the best interests of our people, therefore, they are the good, decent, and divine. Because of this, they are beyond and arguments from anyone, either inside our family or outside.

  145. 060091 on March 20th, 2010 3:42 am

    Joel>>The fact remains, whether you like it or not, that there is a distinct split in your rankst between strict Nordicists and the more numerous pan-Aryanists

    I’ve only witnessed this online. They didn’t send me home from the Euro or Amren conferences a couple years ago because I’m part “Southern Swarthoid”. Not that anyone could tell, I look more Nordic than probably 90% of the most hardcore “Nordicists”. It’s a joke. A non-issue taken up by the net nazis and trolls.

    Another thing…in America, you don’t have people lining up to claim they’re White. It’s just the opposite, actually. There’s no benefit! You can get all sorts of goodies for being a sacred cow minority. Hell, even blond haired/blue eyed kids will tell you they’re “Not White, they’re part Cherokee!” HA! So we don’t have to worry about nonwhites trying to sneak in, It wouldn’t behoove them to do so.

    I always say there’s no longer any Whites in America anymore, there’s only “Part Cherokees”. A joke, of course. Man, the powers that be, whether they meant to or not, sure did a number on our people. We seem to just be consumed with this state sponsored induced guilt in our youth. I speak from personal experience. I fell for that shit, too.

    One droppers are trolls. Always. They do it for the lulz. And the few that may be serious are unrealistic. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that. At the same time, there are lines that need to be drawn, but they don’t require a family tree to be drawn up back to 1550 or a DNA test. Everyone knows who’s White and who’s not. Including the “one race, human race” people. Because when it comes time to cry about “racism”, they sure know where to point! Right at us!

  146. Captainchaos on March 20th, 2010 4:41 pm

    Amen, Rob.

  147. Dave on March 21st, 2010 4:27 pm

    Of course, in the religion to which I and an increasing number of Caucasians subscribe, racism is a moral category that in fact has positive moral implications and is thus commanded by our God. Thus, we do not shrink in the face of charges of racism. Our God in fact demands that we maintain our race, hence, necessitating a psychological transformation oriented toward an explicit acknowledgement and allegiance to our our race and its continuance. In this religion, God actually created us as an act of racial discrimination and, thus, all such subsequent discrimination is thereby just.

    That is why when we discuss such vicious racist hate crimes as that which happend to Chris Newsome and Channon Christian, we are also very quick to point out the fact that this is in actuality a racist hate crime against our whole race, and must be treated as such. Such vile acts are clearly indicative of a vicious genocide against our race and must be recognized as such.

  148. Dave on March 21st, 2010 4:44 pm

    The main problems with Christianity are:

    1) It is not a religion of the Caucasian race
    2) It demands these moral absolutes which are certainly in the modern context very very destructive for the Caucasian race.

    Demands that we see all people as the same, and that we defer and forgive enemies who have clearly done us very serious harm as a race, are ridiculous and self destructive if followed.

    In our religion we have no such moral requirements, for we are commanded to view all the races as completely different and non-compatible. Moreover, we are commanded to seek retribution upon those people who do, or have done us harm; Forgiveness is simply not sanctioned for those outside of our own who have clearly committed acts of harm against any one of us.

    Thus, you can see that if Caucasian people were to rid themselves of the 2000 year old shackle that is Christianity our race would immediately begin the process of fixing our current dilemma that has been imposed upon our people. As long as you cling to outmoded christian concepts of egalitarianism and the inappropriate application of behaviors such as, forgiveness, kindness, and generousity, you will never be able to throw off this increasingly violent yoke of oppression that has been thrust upon our race.

  149. Dave on March 21st, 2010 4:49 pm

    Thus, once we redefine our moral framework in a manner consistent with our real God, we will no trouble redefining the debate about the different races and their appempted genocide of our people.

  150. Dave on March 22nd, 2010 12:11 pm

    Now, to complete this program we will have to reconquer those areas that are typically known as Caucasian countries. This has some different elements:

    1) First and foremost the Caucasians absolutely have to increase our birth rates to at least 3 children per family.

    2) We must begin a program of demanding the relocation of all of those peoples who have invaded our ancestral homelands. Further, disallow immigration.

    3) We must, through acts of government intervention, take back our media in our countries.

    4) We must take back our currencies and put them back in the hands of our own governments instead of the private banking cartels.

    5) Eliminate divorce in our countries excpept in very stricly defined circumstances.

    6) Rebuld our manufacturing industries.

    7) Revamp all of our respective space agencies to assist each other in accomplishing the task of developing a viable living are in space for our people.

    To accomplish this set of goals, we are going to have to think in terms of thousand year time periods, because this is definitely going to take a quite some time to achieve. Just to combat all of the invaders into our countries is going to take about a thousand years in itself. These goals are large in the face of the opposition from our enemies, but there is no other alternative if we wish ot survive.
    I cannot stress enough however, that the first objective is the most important. If we don’t have enough kids, we won’t be there tomorrow to partake in any cultural battle whatsoever. The race that produces children is the race that will own the future. If we are to take ourselve out of hell, we will do it first by producing as many kids as we can at all costs. There is nothing that takes precedence over the need to increase our birth rates.

  151. Dave on March 22nd, 2010 1:18 pm

    You all have to understand something here. If our countries work individually without the aid and collegiality of other Caucasian countires, we will have a very much more difficult time of liberating our people.

    Thus, we will establish satellite organizations in all of these different countries and conduct activism and program at propagandizing and re-educating the native populations what is being done to them by our enemies. We must do this in a manner very similar to how the communist organizations of the world cooperated with each other to affect local politics and mindsets. We can do the same.

    Moreover, we need to canvass Caucasian business people for money and support for our cause. The way we do this is by beginning organizations which have an ostensible purpose but which carries on in the background various activities which further our eternal cause. This is the way in which communist orgranizations have been very successful in changing local mindsets. In fact, we are doing this right now by starting nationalist parties throughtout Europe and, now, the American Third Position in the US. This is a thoroughly positive development to be sure, but, as Dr. Sunic has argued very well, we must also regain the cultural hegemony within these various states. We can only do that if we have satellite orgranizations working together in all these countries to affect education in the local populations.

  152. Joel Stern on March 26th, 2010 2:59 pm

    To Drew:

    You agree with Sand and Koestler that Ashkenazi Jews are predominantly descended from Turks and “Mongols.”
    According to the latest DNA studies on Ashkenazi Jews that I have consulted, the ethnic group to which Ashkenazis are most closely related are the KURDS, who are classified by anthropologists as a Caucasian Indo-European people. These studies further show that Jewis split off from Kurds several thousand years ago and migrated southward from the Fertile Crescent down to Palestine. Thus, Jews indeed are not a purely semiitc ethnic group like the Bedouins, but neither are they the scions of “Mongol” invaders. The percentage of “Khazar” ancestry in the ethnic makeup of Jews is nugatory, at least according to reputable scientific research.

  153. Joel Stern on March 26th, 2010 3:33 pm

    Perhaps all the self-styled experts on enthnogenesis here can answer a simple question for me:
    At what stage does a white person cease being “white”–when he or she has one Jewish (Turkish, Bantu, Amerind, East or South Asian, Polyneisan, etc.) great-grandfather, for instance? Or would you accept a higher degree of admixture–say, the half-Jewish types like Paul Newman or Scarlett Johanssen, who to me look far more “Aryan” in phenotype than many supposed simon-pure whites (to cite dwarfish, clubfooted, rat-faced, dark-haired Herr Goebbels as one notable example?
    Do ALL of you here agree on a set of criteria for determining the permissible degree of admixture? You obviously can’t proceed on the basis of phenotype alone, inasmuch as physical appearance can be so deceptive.
    And, assuming that you can formulate and reach consensus on such criteria, are you planning to conduct cworldwide DNA testing to ferret out the crypto-Jews (Bantus, Amerinds, Turks, etc. etc.) who fail to meet them? That prospect raises a considerable number of other problems, which I have pointed out in several previous postings.

  154. jeunose on March 27th, 2010 1:47 pm

    Mr stern…unless you can produce the blood of abraham there is no way your going to prove to me that there is a ‘jew’ gene, period. G’luck with that.

  155. Joel Stern on March 29th, 2010 12:18 pm

    To “Jeunose”:

    The great majoriity of white nationalists consider Jews in western socieities to be genetic aliens , so they obviously do posit the notion of a distinctive Jewish phenotype, although they may differ among themselves as to how to define it (e.g. Drew considers Jews to be descended from Turkic Khazars and “Mongols”), whereas I have read other self-styled experts who dispute that contention, which is not borne out by the finding of thelatest DNA research.
    My original questions remains unanswered: what degree of Jewish (or other “non-Aryan”) admixture would disqualify a person for eligibility for membership in the western “Volkgemenschaft” to which you purportedly aspire? Should a person of distinctly “non-Aryan” phenotype (e.g. Goebbels, Himmler, Franco) be allowed to transmit his genes to posterity? Should a person of Nordic phenotype but Jewish ancestry (such as second-degree Mischling Guenther Lutjens, commander of the Bismarck) be allowed to sire progeny or be sterilized to prevent further contamination of the nation’s bloodline? These questions must be forthrightly addressed if you want to develop a consistent, rational, and convincing “Rassenkunde” to serve as the ideological basis of your future societies.

  156. Carolyn on March 29th, 2010 3:02 pm

    Joel Stern writes:
    These questions must be forthrightly addressed if you want to develop a consistent, rational, and convincing “Rassenkunde” to serve as the ideological basis of your future societies.

    I have not read all or much of your tiresomely endless comments here, but I can say with surety that no one has to do anything that you so arrogantly demand. Just what is the intellectual or moral basis for your statement above — that your questions be answered in a way that is “convincing” to you? You should have been told to go to hell and ignored a long time ago.

    There will never be a philosophy or science of race that will satisfy everyone, and those here certainly don’t need to satisfy YOU as to what they/we believe. I hope this is the last comment on this thread. Isn’t it time to close it? Or would that be censorship?

    At least, I hope there will be no more replies to this character who is abusing his welcome here. This is the first and last from me … sorry Mr. Stern, but I think you’ve more than had your say.

  157. johnUK on March 29th, 2010 7:10 pm

    @Joel Stern

    “The great majoriity of white nationalists consider Jews in western socieities to be genetic aliens”

    I don’t think that’s true that they see Jews as genetically different like the Russians that they see them as half breed with emphasis on the Mongol part. I think they think that Jews see themselves as alien to the native populations and support radical social and political movements at odds or hostile to the native population and have a “us vs them” mentality. Jews are and have historically been white elitists.

    The racial emphasis by some is a desperate attempt to distinguish between Jew and non-Jew given the appearance between Jews and Europeans are negligible.

    There is not much difference between George Bush Sr, McCain, Gates, Brzezinski and the Neocons apart from the fact that Jews have a group centred ethno-centric group mentality and form political unions and social and political movements to achieve their objectives.

    White nationalist groups in Europe now see Jews and Israel as European elites and Israel as a outpost of European culture and civilisation in the Mid East against Muslims most noticeably Nick Griffin and Geert Wilder who are pro-Zionist.

    Scholar: Europe’s Right is embracing its Jews
    Old hatreds fading as nationalists turn anger on Muslims

    “A wave of anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric in Europe is being met by a surprising countertrend: right-wing political factions, including those rooted in Nazism, who have embraced Jews and Israel as “the quintessential guardians of European culture.”

    http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/040209/njScholarEuropesRight.html

  158. NeoCon Hysteria on March 30th, 2010 11:18 am

    “The great majoriity of white nationalists consider Jews in western socieities to be genetic aliens”

    ahh yes, the default reactions of a secular zionist (ie stern, the fake jew)

    You have it completely backwards. Its not gentiles who consider you a race… its you. Of course, only when its convenient for you. That is, to say you ARE a race when it suites you and you’re not when it suits you. This childish game people like you (Stern) have played for quiet a while now. On par with the ‘Anti-Semite’ game. Seemingly getting away with your rubbish only because the American people are desensitized and simply dont care, or are too busy with their own lives to debunk anything they’ve heard over their television sets throughout their lives. The ‘media daze’ i call it. Most Americans watch television to make fun of it. To be perfectly honest, i cant name anyone i know who takes a single word of it at face value. And i know alot of diverse people. Of course there are academic elements to back up the hollywood created myths of the Jewish Race. Thats where the real entertainment usual begins. If you’ve ever listened to these so called ‘Jewish Professors’ they really talk about nothing. Its always some weird mixture of Holocaust Worship and African History. Lets not forget the magical elements of Hollywood Kabala.

    Lets face it.. everything Americans know about Jews comes from their television sets. The facade of ‘the jew’ in America is rapidly falling apart as more and more information becomes global and sources from the ‘old world’ cut through the bullshit in the ‘new world’. Both historic and current. The days of Jewish dominated press is coming to an end, and some might say already fully has. Of course you can see the secular ‘elite’ jewish crowd try to scramble for solutions to combat this global sharing of information. Crying about ‘internet terrorism’ at their cspan round tables is one way to stir up motivation to close ranks and lock it all down.

    Anywho, im getting sidetracked from my original point.

    Fact of the matter is, the Jews are not a Race of people. So stated by Chief Rabbi’s throughout the ages, numerous times. The creation of the Jewish people was a Zionist abomination in the effort to increase Jewish immigration to Israel and build a sense of national identity based on their perceived mythical race which doesn’t even exist. Its complete rubbish for many reasons.

    1) True Torah Jews reject racial Judaism. Causing viscous attacks against Orthodox Jews who actually read their scripture instead of watching Spielberg movies, falling inlove with themselves.
    2) There are almost no original Hebrew Jews left. A few pop up from time to time.
    3) The ‘Jews’ you speak of, are Khazars, who were a Turkic, Mongolian, Gypsy people. Later destroyed by the Kievan ‘Rus and scattered.
    4) Rabbi Saadiah Gaon (882-942) “This people is only a people through its Torah. Any Jew who rejects the Torah is not part of the Jewish people.”
    5) Its like claiming the Christians are a Race
    6) What you are.. is a Godless individual who happens to be of Turkic/Arab/Mongol decent full of post-ww2 hollywoodism’s and racist, zionist, indoctrination, falsehoods which border along chronic hypocrisy and schizophrenia.
    7) You’ve most likely stepped foot in a Synagogue 3 times as a child. This was good enough for you to become part of the Americanized Jewish Race you believe in.
    8) Judaism is a Religion, not a Race.
    9) To sit here and arrogantly call others ‘racist’ when infact you are the real racist by definition, reveals the hypocrisy that has already been revealed countless times within the jewish pseudo-intellectual cabal, aswell as your endlessly tiresome, childish, hypocritical, one foot out of the ghetto, self proclaimed witty, delusional comments here.

    So why dont you go and do something more productive for your “Jewish Race” like perhaps beating down and clubbing an Orthodox Jew in Israel. If anything.. they’re much more of a ‘threat’ to your hollywood empire then those diabolical Aryans.

  159. Joel Stern on March 30th, 2010 12:40 pm

    To Carolyn, Neo-Con Hysteria, John of UK, et al:

    In your latest outburst of vituperative bilge you failed to answer even one of the questions I have raised persistently on this thread, thereby proving to me that the great majority of you are half-baked, subliterate, or frankly delusional misfits who crib most of your information from similar like-minded misfits.on such blogs as the Vanguard News Network and Stormfront. You cannot present a rational, coherent rejoinder to the issues I have brought up because, quite frankly, it is my opinion that your beliefs are a priori wrong.
    The fact remains that the Nazis and many of the epigones like William Pierce and Francis Yockey who were inspired by them did in fact regard the Jews as a separate race with a collective “racial soul” who are identifiable by certain congenital, inexpungable physical and mental characteristics (that the Nazis allowed certain race-traitors and Mischlings to survive in their midst is another topic altogether). Remember, for example, Julius Streicher’s dictum: “One drop of Jewish blood pollutes the race.” It is also a fact that the Nuremberg Laws (which Ranting Rob cites approvingly, as do many other posters on the Stormfront blog) absolutely proscribed all sexual contact between Aryans and Jews, in the interest of preseving the noble Aryan genotype. The great majority of the white nationalists with whom I am familiar espouse this position; they clearly regard Jews as racial aliens, your flimsy arguments to the contrary notwithstanding.
    Nor has a single one of you has been able to formulate a passably coherent response to my question: What degree of non-European genetic admixture (bantu, semitic, East, Central, or South Asian, amerind, polynesian, etc.) disqualify an individual from eligibility for your membership in the Volksgemeinschaft that so obsesses your primitive minds? Carolyn, your puerile ravings are no substitute for a cogent presentation of your movement’s raison d’etre. i still looking for one of your to set it forth. May I also ask you personally: would you accept a person of one-half (one-quarter, one-eighth, one-sxteenth, or less) Jewish (or other non-Europid ancestry) as a member of your own immediate family? Would yoyu engage, or allow your son or daughter to enage, in sexual relations with such a hybrid? Would you discriminate in any way against the offsrping of such a union? Do you scrupulously verify the Aryan pedigree of anyone with whom you are contemplating a sexual relationship? Have you vetted your own genetic lineage, for that matter, in order to preclude the slightest possibility that you could contaminate the bloodline of your Volksgenossen”?
    I realize that these issues may seem tiresome to the intllectually challenged and lazy among you, but surely you must have SOME criteria on which you base your beliefs, nicht wahr?
    I would just like to know what those criteria are. Is that too much to ask?

  160. johnUK on March 30th, 2010 10:00 pm

    @Joel Stern

    I did answer your question that I and other commentator here do not put a racial emphasis on the Jewish group like you obviously do.

    And why are you referencing radical nuts like the Nazis or William Pierce?

    Do you really think they have any relevance today or there ideas?

    There are lots of famous people in history like Cicero, Jesus, Napoleon, Martin Luther, Winston Churchill, H.L. Mencken, Thomas Jefferson, Dostoevsky, H G Wells, etc who have criticised Jewish groups behaviour and attitudes without any Jewish racial emphasis added.

    You are doing what Carl Yung called projection cast your shadow on other people.

    And your derogatory remarks against myself and other commentators here just show your stereotypical Jewish ethnocentric racism.

  161. Joel Stern on March 31st, 2010 10:30 am

    To John of UK:

    Quite a few of the bloggers on this and similar white nationalist sites on the lunatic fringe (e.g. Ranting Rob, RS, and others) HAVE in fact stereotyped Jews with such blanket labels as “nerds,” “she_nies,” hook-nosed k_kes,” “maggots,” “vermin,” “parasites,” “worms,” “subhumans,” and similar opprobrious epihets. When Ranting Rob spoke of a “collective Jewish psyche” or “semitic mind, ” or when Drew spoke favorably of Jung’s distinction between the Aryan and Jewish collective consciousness, they were clearly singling out Jews as a genetically distinct racial category, presumably not assimilable to the host peoples among whom they live. Inasmuch as not a single one of the other bloggers on this site objected to those insulting epithets or half-baked unscientific theories, I think it perfectly logical to assume that you all support them. Am I correct in my assumptions?
    I am still waiting for a passably coherent reply to some of my original questions. if you all endorse the concept of a separate white Heimat free of alien admixture, I want to know the criteria on which you plan to base eligibility for membership therein. Will you adopt the Nuremberg Laws (which Ranting Rob and the posters on the Stormfront and Vanguard News Network cite approvingly), or rather the “one-drop” rule beloved by Southern segragationists? Where are you going to draw the line? Phenotypes alone cannot be relied upon, since half-Jews like Paul Newman, Scarlatt Johannson, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Jane Seymour are far more Aryan appearance than many so-called whites. It will be impossbile to trace the ancestry of every single of your supposed racial kinsmen, given the loss or destruction of genealogical records as a result of war and displacement.
    If you propose widespread genetic testing to resolve this problem, what are you going to do with the many unfortunates among you who ultimately fail to meet whatever criteria you finally do adlopt? (Remember the wide extent of miscegnation in the Americas and elsewhere that has occurred ever since the dawn of western civilization.). Segregation? Expulsion? Sterilization? Labor camps? Execution?
    Before you undertake the grandiose project of establishing the white Heimat, it would behoove you to formulate in advance some of the desiderata for membership in that select group.

  162. NorthStar on March 31st, 2010 3:03 pm

    “I am still waiting for a passably coherent reply to some of my original questions. if you all endorse the concept of a separate white Heimat free of alien admixture, I want to know the criteria on which you plan to base eligibility for membership therein.”

    These issues were already clearly addressed by several of the posters here. If you think you haven’t received a passably coherent reply, the confusion is all yours. Maybe you should just reread the thread and stop wasting people’s time. You’re an obvious provocateur simply trying to get a rise out of someone by playing games.

  163. Joel Stern on April 1st, 2010 5:24 am

    To Northsztar:

    Would you mind citing those “passably coherent” replies to my questions? Apart from seeing an endless repetition of moronic stereotypes about the collective Jewish psyche and other pseudo-scientific manure, I have yet to find here a halfway exposition of the genetic criteria on which white nationalists plan to build their future white Heimat.
    Are you just going to accept into your racial utopia everyone who has a suitably white appearance, without thoroughly vetting their lineage back to several generations by means of genetic testing? Then I’m afraid you will be missing countless millions of crypto-Jews (Bantus, Amerinds, Turks, etc.) with whom European colonizers and their descendants have been miscegenating for many centuries. While that prospect doesn’t appear to bother you, I imagine it will be extremely disturbing to the more fastidious white nationalists such as Nordicist Richard McCullough.

  164. Joel Stern on April 2nd, 2010 9:06 am

    To Northstar:

    I suppose that you are right in a way: I am a “provocatuer” in that I am trying to provoke the less otiose among you to engage in critical thinking instead of mouthing empty platitudes that have little or no grounding in reality.
    Socrates who similarly condemned as a provocative and subversive by the smug citziens of Athens who sentenced him to death for questioning untenable verities.
    It is not I who am playing games, but rather the mindless fools on this and other racially oriented blogs who clamor incessantly for a “judenrein” white homeland without having formulated the sound scientific criteria–and the means for implementing them–that would be necessary for dtermining precisely who is to populate and breed there. If you and John of UK regard the Nazis and their epigones lke Wiliam Pierce, Don Black, Tom Metzer, K.A. Strom, as radicals, and thus reject the Nuremberg Laws as a guideline for your future Heimat, whose ideals will you be following? Theodore Bilbo of the Jim Crow era in the U.S.? Henrik Voerward of South Africa? Or are you going to concoct some new racial theory out of whole cloth?

  165. Drew on April 2nd, 2010 11:09 am

    Joel:
    You complain that no one has answered any of your questions on this thread, yet my March 19 posting addressed many of them, perhaps not to your satisfaction, but then again, I don’t think anyone posting here is under any illusion that you will ever receive a satisfactory response short of complete capitulation to your point of view.

    I find it amusing that you compare yourself to Socrates. If you were a little more self-aware you’d been comparing your form of argumentation to the ‘learned’ rabbis in the Talmud. You engage in intellectual hairsplitting, which, as Martin Luther pointed out, is the foundation of the Talmudic deconstructive mindset. There can never be an end to it, because it has the potential to reduce everything to meaninglessness. Once you go down that road, nothing can stop it from crushing every human thought into absurdity, as Bill Clinton demonstrated on the witness stand when he asked the prosecutor to explain what he meant by “is”. That’s textbook Talmud. That was never the intention of the Socratic Method.

    You try to build yourself as the only one here who consults reputable researchers in the fields of genetics and ethnography, yet you fail to recognize that those fields of study are highly politicized, and since the end of WWII have been dominated by Marxist/Jewish ideologues, such as Franz Boas and all of this politically correct worshippers and intellectual descendants.

    Simply put, any academician who does not toe that Marxist party line can forget about getting a PhD and being published. And for you to somehow suggest that research coming out of those ideologically biased boot camps, aka “universities”, is somehow more reliable or accurate is simply absurd, and self-serving.

    You’re viewpoints on race and ethnicity are completely 100% Kosher approved, and I’m sure you’d have no trouble finding a publishing house that would love to hear what you have to say.

    I would strongly suggest you read Michael A. Hoffman’s excellent book, “Judaism Discovered,” which will help you see how you are unwittingly regurgatating the self-destructive age-old Talmudic mind games. This recommendation comes out of compassion, not hate.

    But don’t take my word for it–read these profound words by the eminent Jewish historian, Heinrich Graetz:

    “To twist a phrase out of its meaning, to use all the tricks of the clever advocate, to play upon words, and to condemn what they did not know. . . such were the characteristics of the Polish Jew. . . Honesty and right thinking he lost as completely as simplicity and truthfulness. He made himself master of all the gymnastics of the Schools and applied them to obtain advantage over any one less cunning than himself. He took a delight in cheating and overreaching, which gave him a sort of joy of victory. But his own people he could not treat in this way: they were as knowing as he. It was the non-Jew who, to his loss, felt the consequences of the Talmudically trained mind of the Polish Jew.”

    –from “History of the Jews from the Earliest Times to the Present Day,” 1891

  166. Joel Stern on April 2nd, 2010 2:31 pm

    To Drew:

    I’m not a Polish Jew nor have I ever read the Talmud, so your charges cribbed from a myth-rideen anti-semitic screed from 1891 don’t apply to me in the least.

    The original questions I posed remain unanswered, and all your equivocations, shilly-shallying, and other twisting and turning cannot obscure the fundamental truth of the matter. You speak of simple honesty and truthfulness but lack the iintegrity to admit what is patently obvious: the white nationalist credo that you and the other bloggers espouse on this and similar venues is intellectually bankrupt. You can’t even formulate a coherent set of criteria for determing what consituttes a “white,” let alone develop any viable mechanism for implmenting them–unless you accept William Pierce’s apocalyptic scenario of nuking areas predominately settled by non-European peoples. Unfortunately, mass nuclear warfare would irredeemiably poison your own gene pool, which is already severely compromised by centuries-long miscegnation with other breeds.
    I’m still waiting for the set of criteria to determine eligibility for membership in the whiite nationalist Volkgemeinschaft. Will an Aryan phenotype be the desideratum? Then such Noridc-looking half-Jews as Alicia Silverstrone, Paul Newman, Scarlett Johannssen, and Gwyneth Paltrow may slip in under your radar, and degenerates like Goebbels, Streicher, and Goering will be culled. If, on the other hand, you institute widespread genetic testing, what ARE you going to do with the countless millions of the genitically flawed who fail to meet your arbitary criteria? Expulsion, segregation, sterilization, imprisonment, mass murder?
    If you consider these questions “Talmudic”: and unworthy of serious consideration, that is simply a relfection of your own intellectual inability to formulate a coherent reply, apart from citing passages from the scribblings of racist mountebanks.

  167. Joel Stern on April 2nd, 2010 2:46 pm

    To Drew:

    I was amused to re-read your bilge of March 18 in which you disparaged the “mediocre” beauty of Scarlett Johannsen and Gwyneth Paltrow as compared to the “pure white” beauties like Grace Kelly, Rith Hayworth, Cherlize Theron, etc.
    You are aware, of course, that many of your so-called pure white beauties like Marylyn Monroe had plastic surgery to conform to absurd Hollywood standards? Rita Hawyorth (originally Rita Cansino) was a swarthy and hairy Mexican-looking girl who underwent a complete cosmetic transformamtion. Kim Basinger is part-Amerind. I’m sure a more thorough investigation into the lineage of other of your Hollywood goddesses would reveal quite a few suspect genes as well.
    I’ll stick with Johannsen; she’s good enough for normal men, if not for the crackpots populating this website.

  168. jeunose on April 3rd, 2010 12:52 am

    Well Joel Stern so far you have not proven that the “jews” of today have a drop of Abraham’s blood. You can’t, you won’t and I’m sure it drives you crazy as evidenced by your obsession to prove otherwise.

    These khazars are crazy!! LOL

  169. Drew on April 3rd, 2010 3:14 pm

    Joel:
    I was again amused to see you go through your Talmudic somersaults in responding to the larger picture I was trying to convey to you, but again, you, in your pre-programmed way, have latched on to small particulars that you can deconstruct to convince yourself that everything I’ve written is incorrect.

    Yes, you are correct–part of Rita Hayworth’s family was from Mexico, but they were not Mestizo. They, like many of the more prosperous families in Mexico today, are still entirely European White. Rita came from one of those families, just like my sister-in-law, who is also very beautiful. And you are also correct–European Spanish and Italian women tend to be more ‘hairy’ than, say, Swedish women. So what?

    I never said you were a “Polish Jew”. If, in fact, your real name is Joel Stern, you are, in all probability, an Ashkenazi Jew, whose family came from somewhere in Eastern Europe–either Poland, Russia, or the Ukraine. Which one is it? It wouldn’t matter because there is little difference, genetically, culturally, or philosophically between any of them. So Heinrich Graetz’s quote would apply to you, regardless of the literal geographical boundaries that we White people have ‘arbitrarily’ imposed upon the map of Europe.

    The genetic differences between an Ashkenazi Jew in Poland and a Jew in Russia, or a Jew in America for that matter, is negligible. An Ashkenazi Jew in America has much more genetically in common with the Jews in Poland than they do with any White European person in America or Europe. That’s a fact. My source for this information is Jews themselves, not “Aryan anti-semites.”

    So you think the Jewish historian, Heinrich Graetz, is an ‘anti-semite’ simply because he dared to write something unflattering about Jews? The Talmud would call him a self-hating Jew, a betrayer who deserved to be killed. Unfortunately, Graetz to this day is still respected by Jewish historians and not considered an ‘anti-semite’ Regardless of what particular Ashkenazi ancestry you come from, Graetz’s quote still applies to you, as your predicable response clearly elucidates.

    And it doesn’t matter whether you’ve read The Talmud or not, as far as your psychological disposition goes. Most Jews have never read it, and yet the ideas, attitudes, and world-view therein have gotten filtered down to even the street level, non-religious Jews.

    That’s why I suggested you read Michael A. Hoffman’s “Judaism Discovered,” which is the only book ever banned from sale on Amazon. Yes, you can buy “Mein Kampf” or “The Turner Diaries,” but because some powerful rabbi complained about the book, Amazon pulled it. The rabbi was not worried that ‘anti-semetic’ Gentiles will read it–they are worried that non-religious Jews, like yourself, will find out what horrors have been unleashed on the world in their name.

    For example, here’s a Talmudic inspired quote from Karl Marx, the son of a rabbi, who claimed to have renounced Judaism. Yet clearly he didn’t renounce being Jewish or renounce the Kabbalistic plan for Jewish world domination, using Marxism as a primary weapon:

    “The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races…and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order the Children of Israel…will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition…”

    –Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, quoted in “Review de Paris,” June 1, 1928, p. 574

  170. jeunose on April 3rd, 2010 3:46 pm

    Judaism Discovered was recently uploaded to scribd.

    Will Mr. Stern read it? I think we all know the answer…

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/25873220/Judaism-Discovered

  171. Joel Stern on April 5th, 2010 10:48 am

    To Drew and “Jeunose”;

    A few comments for you are in order.
    Drew comments that Hayworth and other persons of Italian and Spanish ancestry are “pure whites.” Hogwash. The peoples of Southern Europe, including Spain, Sicily, Portugal, and Italy, have a large admixture of Jewish, Moorish, Carthaginiian and other non-European blood as a result of large-scale miscegnation, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if quite a few of your Aryan goddesses–including Hayworth and Selma Hayek, among many others–carry a portion of the Jewish “baccilus,” as Ranting Rob put it so elegantly on this website.
    By the way, you keep stupidly insisting that I am purveying some sort of crypto-Marxism in my arguments to advance some putatiive “Talmudic” agenda. I am quite familiar with Marxist philosophy and reject its economic determinism, just as I reject the pseudo-scientific racial determinism concocted by Gobineau, Chamberlian, and lesser crackpots in the twentieth century. The Talmud, moreover, never “filtered down” to me on the street; I am quite capable of formulating my own ideas without resorting to either religious tracts or to primitive Social Darwinist pseudo-science and crackpot Jungian ideas on the nature of the “collective Jewish psyche,” My etbnic descent, contrary to your absurd racist preconceptions, does not predetermine my line of reasoning in any manner whatsoever, just as Teuitonic origin does not precondition anyone to believe in Asatru or similar neo-pagan nonsense.
    It never fails to amaze me, furthermore, how white nationalists ascribe to Jews the very sins that so-called white Eruopids have committed en masse over the past millenia in every part of the world, i.e. an insensate lust for conquest, enslavement, plunder, rapine and mass extinction of native peoples. Start with the Aryan invasion of India around 1500 BC and work forward to colonization of Africa, Central and East Asis, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, and the Pacific Islands. Of course, all this was done in the name of civilizational progress and religious enlightenment, and therefore quite understandable, if not totally free of countless millions of innocent victims.
    And, by the way, Drew, as I pointed out previously, the Jews have been proved by DNA studies to be most closely related to the KURDS–an Indo-European people, no less white than any European strain. There is no evidence that I am aware of that links Jews genetically to “Mongols,” and their genotype betrays very littel influence of so-called Khazar or Turkic ancestry in the vast majority of Jewish kinship lines. Why don’t you conduct a modicum of research befroe shooting off your mouth on a subject in which you are clearly out of your depth?.
    Jeunose, I haven’t the foggiest notion what you mean by asserting I am vainly seeking “Abraham’s blood.” Do you mean to claim in your subgrade moron fashion that i claim ancestry back to the biblical patriarch Abraham and therefore want to create an Israeli empire stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates? No, I don’t suffer from such delusions, unlike genocidal Nazs whom you admire who sought Lebensraum in Eastern Europe on the grounds that their Nordic ancestors had populated thsoe lands in past eons.
    Squirm and equvocate as you may, none of you have been able to formulate a coherent philosophy of white nationalism and the sound biological (as opposed to Boazian) criteria on which it is supposely based. To refresh the memory of the many of you with short attention spans and even less reasoning capacity, can you put forward a halfway solution to any of these problems that will ineluctably face the creators of the future white Volksgemenischaft:
    1. What degree of admisture disqualifies an individual from living and breeding therein? One-half, one-quarter, one-eighth, or less?
    2. What guidelines will be adopted for this culing–updated Nuremberg Laws, the South African apartheid rules, the Southern “one-drop” Jim Crow order, or some other arbitary system?
    3. Assuming that you reach consensus on such a racial classification system, how will you go about implementing it–throguh universal genetic testing?
    3. Will “mischlings” of passably white phenotype (e.g. Paul Newman, James Caan, jane Seymour, etc.) be tolerated and allowed to sire progeny? If not, what will be there fate–sterilization, expulsion, segregation?
    4. If an individual is found to have no objectionable (e.g. Jewish, amerind, bantu, Mestizo) admixture but may have a genetic defect (eg. Goebbels’s clubfoot) or disagreeable physiognomy (eg. Himmler, Goebbels, Franco, etc.), will they be allowed to breed with Aryan Volksgenossen?
    5. If an individual is found eligible to join the Volksgemeinschaft but admits having carnal relations with non-Aryans (I’m thinking here of the countless German and Scandanavians perverts who patronize the sex trade in Thailand, for example), or has a racially impure spouse and children, what is to happen with the entire family?
    6. If an entire country (e.g. Denmark, Finland, and Bulgaria during WW II, or the Italian Army that protected Jews in its occuptation zone) shelters Jews or other genetic aliens in its territory, would you sanction invasion of those countries and punishment of the misguided gentiles who protect their genetically challenged compatriots?
    7. Lastly, if any of you (including Jeunose and Drew) are found to carry any alien genes, no matter how few, are you going to be virle and consistent enough to refraim from polluting the bloodstream of your Volk? Remember the sacred credo: “Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz”. Surely you will place the genetic integrity of your Volk before your own selfish pleasure in sexual dalliance, nicht wahr?

    You can dismiss these matters as “Talmudic” hairsplitting if you want, but refusal to face them squarely bespeaks either cowardice (fear of revealing your own possible genetic inferioirty to your Volksgenossen) or a complete lack of intellectual faculties, as manifested in the Nazi saying “Think with your blood.” I’m afraid that is the primitive level on which the great majority of who operate.
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