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The New Nationalist Perspective: The European New Right, Part 2

September 22, 2009

This is Dr. Sunic’s second monologue on the European New Right, its importance and influence.

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11 Responses to “The New Nationalist Perspective: The European New Right, Part 2”

  1. Kundalini Joe on September 23rd, 2009 8:32 pm

    I only caught Dr. Tom’s first talk on the European Right. But since there is little commentary on it, I might as well show the dangers and joys of a little education Nietzsche himself recommends play, of all things, in his work. DeBenoist qualifies this eloquently in his book on Paganism. It’s something for debt slaves, and men being farmed for taxes, to thing about. Just what is being stolen? The burnished yet bright naivete that money can’t buy. Creative currency from the genetic mint that gave birth/context to Hamlet’s beautiful but deadly wonder, and of course, Mozart’s divine whimsy.

    I just finished reading “On Being a Pagan.” I like the part about the Late Roman Orgies, where deBenoist takes the reader into the bedrooms of the previously repressed upper-class and shows, rather than tells, how indiscriminate sex with slaves is therapeutic and liberating. Of course, being an intellectual, deBenoist doesn’t spend all of his ink on puerile titilation. He ends by confessing to racist/ sexist/homophobic tendencies. Finally, this heart-dilation is followed by a return to hard-edged male intellectual conceptualization. And so, deBenoist leaves the reader with an almost blindingly clear argument, built like a cathedral of light upon the cornerstone of Frankfurt School genius. I quote from the very last page: “Cesar, Augustus and even the dumb-luck kid Claudius could’ve been ‘fair’ Humanists had they been lucky enough to have been born into a much better place and time, and attended NYU in the 1960’s, and been prompted to read the “Authoritarian Personality”. Spenglar would be jealous.

    You can skip the moralizing in deBenoist’s book, if that’s not your thing, and go straight to the index. It’s devoid of proper names. No roster of Nietsche, Tacitus, Schiller, Schmidt, Evola, Eckert, Parcelus and so forth. Rather, there’s a listing of sexual deviences, moral platitudes and racial penitence. This is followed by dress-up hints, for those who’d like to wear a Wotan t-shirt to yoga class. DeBenoist says, without mincing words, “Any shade of pink takes the proto-germanic and implied National Socialist ‘geist’ out of the Aryan gods. The color itself rehablitates them.” It’s a very good hint, and worth the price of the book in itself.

    Nonsense aside, “Why I am a Pagan” is an excellent book. It’s more difficult than Neitzsche but less difficult than the other continental philosophers who seem to live more in language than they live in their skin. Maybe, if you’re and under-employed White-boy like myself, a suddenly tangent citizen, you’ll want to direct yourself into deBenoist’s marvellously poetic and academic hybrid. No pain; no gain. And it just might be in your nature to master deBenoist’s ideas in the end. When I grew up in Podunk, there were ol’ White factory guys who’d build ham radio sets, weld custom trailers in their garage, and build whole mountain villages in thier basements using model trains, plaster of paris, rolls of felt and photos from National Geographic. The neighborhood was full of Regular Joe’s who’d mix florrid imagination and brutal willpower in, of all things, their liesure time. It’s a White thing. The inventive play. Use it or lose it.

    In other words, you could do alot worse than wrassling with this book, which really gets under, like a wrestler, the opponents’ center of gravity. That would be Jewish monotheism which led to Christian Monotheism in a very spiteful marriage. Who’s gonna wear the pants? In either case, they’re walking in step to The New Jerusalem. A return to Eden, I guess, that necessitates conformity the Law of Yaweh. A g-d at an inhuman remove. Which was only tentatively rectified by sending Jesus to the goyim, who never got over thier pagan nostalgia for divinities in their midst. In any case, with my sincere apologies to E. Michael Jones and Dr. Matthew Johnson, I have to say that I’m not much for the time-line that begins in Eden and ends in Jerusalem. I’m more of an Eternal Return guy. I’m more intimately aligned to revolving comedy/tragedy than standardized sin/redemption. Futhermore, I don’t believe in personal or corporate salvation that leads on a single, morally inclinded, timeline to the Eternal Sabbath. Finally, I believe in, as deBenoist might say, Will to Power applied to my own life’s most upright, daring and honorable project. Really, it’s the White thing to do.

    Obviously, Dr. Tom’s show on the New Right was inspiring. And deBenoist’s book, which he refered to repeatedly, is a first-class look at the metaphysics of Paganism. Sunic’s essay, “Marx, Moses and the Pagans in the Secular City,” is first-rate too. Both give a person a new constellation of ideas to match what Evola calls one’s “inner-constellation”. Getting them aligned is the trick that costs some skin. It is, to merge deBenoist into Nietzsche at a single work/play ticket, “a life’s project.”

  2. Kundalini Joe on September 24th, 2009 8:52 am

    It’s one thing to write a humorous post. It’s quite another to thing to write a humorous post with lots of stupid mistakes. So, I’m reposting a corrected version of yesterday’s spoof on deBenoist’s book, “On Being A Pagan”. It tapers into sincere appreciation.
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    I only caught Dr. Tom’s first talk on the European Right. But since there is little commentary on it, I might as well show the dangers and joys of a little education. Nietzsche himself recommends play, of all things, in his work. DeBenoist qualifies this eloquently in his book on Paganism. It’s something for debt slaves, and men being farmed for taxes, to think about. Just what is being stolen? The burnished yet bright naivete that money can’t buy. Creative currency from the genetic mint that gave birth/context to Hamlet’s beautiful but deadly wonder and Mozart’s divine whimsy.

    I just finished reading “On Being a Pagan.” I like the part about the Late Roman orgies, where deBenoist takes the reader into the bedrooms of the previously repressed upper-class and shows, rather than tells, how indiscriminate sex with slaves is therapeutic and liberating. Of course, being an intellectual, deBenoist doesn’t spend all of his ink on puerile titilation. He ends by confessing to racist/ sexist/homophobic tendencies. Finally, this heart-dilation is followed by a return to hard-edged male intellectual conceptualization. And so, deBenoist leaves the reader with an almost blindingly clear argument, built like a cathedral of light upon the cornerstone of Frankfurt School genius. I quote from the very last page: “Cesar, Augustus, Claudius, and even Caligula could’ve been ‘fair’ Humanists had they been lucky enough to have been born into a much better place and time, and attended NYU in the 1960’s, and been prompted to read the “Authoritarian Personality”.

    You can skip the moralizing in deBenoist’s book, if that’s not your thing, and go straight to the index. It’s devoid of proper names. No roster of Nietzsche, Tacitus, Schopenhauer, Schmidt, Evola, Eckert, Parcelus and so forth. Rather, there’s a listing of sexual deviences, moral platitudes and racial penitence. This is followed by dress-up hints, for those who’d like to wear a Wotan t-shirt to yoga class. DeBenoist says, without mincing words, “Any shade of pink takes the proto-germanic and implied National Socialist ‘geist’ out of the Aryan gods. The color itself rehablitates them.” It’s a very good hint, and worth the price of the book in itself.

    Acute nonsence aside, “On Being a Pagan” is an excellent book. It’s more difficult than Nietzsche but less difficult than the other continental philosophers who seem to live more in language than they live in their skin. Maybe, if you’re and under-employed White-boy like myself, a suddenly tangent citizen, you’ll want to direct yourself into deBenoist’s marvellously poetic and academic hybrid. No pain; no gain. And it just might be in your nature to master deBenoist’s ideas in the end. When I grew up in Podunk, there were ol’ White factory guys who’d build ham radio sets, weld custom trailers in their garage, and build whole mountain villages in thier basements using model trains, plaster of paris, rolls of felt and photos from National Geographic. The neighborhood was full of Regular Joe’s who’d mix florrid imagination and brutal willpower in, of all things, their liesure time. It’s a White thing. The inventive play. Use it or lose it.

    In other words, you could do alot worse than wrassling with “On Being a Pagan”, which really gets under, like a wrestler, the opponents’ center of gravity. That would be Jewish monotheism which led to Christian Monotheism in a very spiteful marriage. Who’s gonna wear the pants? In either case, they’re walking in step to The New Jerusalem. A return to Eden, I guess, that necessitates conformity the Law of Yaweh. A g-d at an inhuman remove. Which was only tentatively rectified by sending Jesus to the goyim, who never got over the pagan nostalgia for divinities in their midst. In any case, with my sincere apologies to E. Michael Jones and Dr. Matthew Johnson, I’m not much for the time-line that begins in Eden and ends in Jerusalem. I’m more of an Eternal Return guy. I’m more intimately aligned to revolving comedy/tragedy than standardized sin/redemption. Futhermore, I don’t believe in personal/corporate salvation that leads on a single, morally inclinded, timeline to the Eternal Sabbath. Finally, I believe, as deBenoist might say, in Will to Power applied to my own life’s most upright, daring and honorable project. Really, it’s the White thing to do.

    Obviously, Dr. Tom’s show on the New Right was inspiring. And deBenoist’s book, which he refered to repeatedly, is a first-class look at the metaphysics of Paganism. Sunic’s essay, “Marx, Moses and the Pagans in the Secular City,” is first-rate too. Both give the reader a constellation of heady ideas to match what Evola calls one’s “inner-constellation”. Getting thought/soul/body aligned is the trick that takes one beyond nihilism. It is, to merge deBenoist into Nietzsche at a single work/play ticket, “a life’s project”.

  3. Robert Wewelsburg on September 24th, 2009 4:55 pm

    I always enjoy Dr. Sunic’s show, but these two broadcasts on the New Right were particularly interesting.

    Alex Kurtagic’s recent interview was also excellent. I just finished reading Kurtagic’s novel, Mister, and I couldn’t put it down; it is a delightfully unique dystopian novel, which Alex renders in truly masterful prose. His descriptions of the teeming hordes of dysgenic thralls in 2022 Madrid, borne by his keen eye for Physical Anthropology, are guaranteed to induce protracted periods of laughter.

    Thanks for the amusing commentary On Being A Pagan, Joe. I enjoyed deBenoist’s book a great deal; however, I had a problem with the dearth of actual transcendence in his conception of revived Germanic heathenism, which is a critique that Colin Clearly highlights at length in his review of the book for one of the Tyr Journals, which was entitled, “Paganism Without Gods.”

  4. Skeeter on September 24th, 2009 10:03 pm

    I’ve read that Alain de Benoist has moved increasingly to the Left over the years.

    It’s hard to tell from the essays that have been translated into English.

    They sway from a sort of anti-capitalist paleoconservatism to a kind of leftist intellectual voyeurism.

    What’s going on with this guy?

  5. the other George on September 25th, 2009 6:22 pm

    Nice program.
    In the US we almost never hear the phrase “Indo-Europeans”.
    I would love to learn more about Indo-European traditions.

  6. Kundalini Joe on September 26th, 2009 11:42 am

    It seems to me that deBenoist is a rational anti-rationalist. I accept that he engages modern dot-connectors, i.e. mechanistic intellectualoids, on their currently dominant terms. So, Bob, it was a-okay with me that “On Being a Pagan” argues for Mythos over Logos using the sometimes desicated and flat language of pure reason. The book, I’m sure you’ll argree, does contain a poetic spirit. But, as you’ve written here and publicly stated at the last AmRen Conference, it lacks metaphysical throw-weight and a kind of masterly kindness. In other words, deBenoist convinces, even inspires, then vanishes. Something is absent in the work, which you called, I think, “guidance” at the microphone.

    DeBenoist’s essays are excellent for clarifying conflicting thought lineages. He’s more polemicist than priest. Consequently, he’s suffers from a secular shrinkage into base logic. Still, to deBenoist’s credit, the Aryan juice comes through: a fighting spirit, a love of beauty, a sense of familial place. They’re tempered to his own core efficiency. He’s more lawyerly advocate than spiritual advocate and, judging by his disdain for hyper-accelerated mimmickry in the West, it may be that deBenoist doesn’t want to be easily followed. Thus, the lack of guidance. He might want to remain, as Bruce Lee said, “The finger pointing to the moon and not the moon.” But in deBenoist’s case, it would be the sun. The solar-principle, if I can read Evola into deBenoist’s orientation.

    Thanks for the heads-up about the book review in Tyr. And thanks for posting a reply to my funny-framing of “On Being Pagan.” You’ve got me thinking seriously. I’m defending deBenoist so vigorously because his forebrain is always way ahead of my intuitions. Although I don’t always agree with him 100%, I can at least depend upon deBenoist to have built a friendly thought structure for my nascent insights. But, back to your criticism, he’s merely mediocre with the inner-langauge. What deBenoist is singularly great at is the inter-face language for debate with foes and, more importantly, fence sitters. This prowess necessitates, like bilingual fluency, the internalization of the enemy’s mind. Has it contaminated him? Is he a bit too compromised? Yes and no. He’s his own guy, anyway.

    Maybe deBenoist has the same world-view as Kurtagic,. In other words, instead of being on war-footing, he’s putting together a legacy to outlast the meta-cycle of attrition. Something for the monks in the hills, with their community of craftsmen and farmers, to safeguard after the Fall of Rome. Like overarching texts for the parents of homeschoolers to read. That’s my best interpretation, and it’s borrowed!

    I’m anxious to read Kurtagic’s book by the way. From what I’ve read in the Occidental Observer, he can really turn a sentence.

  7. A5 on September 29th, 2009 8:38 pm

    Could you please elaborate on your inclusion of Carl Schmitt as a European New Right thinker, or one who contributed to New Right thought?

    From an introduction to Schmitt’s Concept of the Political by Carl Schwab:

    “Schmitt challenged a basic liberal assumption then widely held either for philsophical or tactical reasons, namely, that every political party, no matter how antirepublican, must be permitted freely to compete for parliamentary representation and for government power. This mean that the sole requirement of such parties in their quest for power was that they proceed legally. Because the most influential commentators and jurists of the Weimar constitution argued that it was an open document insofar as any and all constitutional revisions are permissable if these are brought about legally, a totalitarian movement which succeeds in legally capturing the legislature can then proceed legally to forge a constitution and state that would reflect its militant ideology.

    Congnizant that the political left and right utilized bourgeois legality as a weapon in the quest for power are fearful of a victory by one of the extremist movements with the ideological subversion of the state certain to follow, Schmitt saw little hope in the ability of the Weimar state to survive unless its leadership was immediately prepared to distinguish friend from enemy and to act accordingly. Concretely speaking, he argued in 1932 that only those parties not intent on subverting the state be granted the right to compete for parliamentary and governmental power. This obviously meant driving the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum from the open arena.

    [Footnote] Heinrich Muth is correct in concluding that someone who advanced such a thought with great precision could under no circumstances have been in 1932 a member of the Nazi party nor a follower nor one who shared its ideas. This conclusion is particularly significant when one considers the erronenous insistence by some that Schmitt paved the way for the Fuhrerstaat.

    Schmitt seems more like a pragmatist and realist rather than a National Socialist or New Right thinker, at least from Schwab’s analysis above. Perhaps even, you could describe him as an early Antifa.

    Indeed neo-con “conservatives” such as Leo Strauss have much admiration for Schmitt.

  8. Ba Racknophobe on October 3rd, 2009 5:29 am

    @george

    You’re doing just fine.
    There’s nothing with Russia.
    The reason the silly people on the Right (and there’s really plenty of them) are so infatuated with dumps like Russia and Serbia is that these countries are far away and can be romanticised all you want with hardly anyone being able to check out the truth.

    Kind of the same phenomenon as with blacks talking about Africa. When finally one black visits the place, he wants nothing but to get away from it. ‘It smells.’ to put it in Michael Jackson’s words.

    Russia is economically, culturally and spiritually retarded, it is not a place to settle in. Even if you had a couple of millions, you’d not do well in such a place. Same goes for Serbia. You see, these are maffia states, where you’d have to pay and bribe your way to even get settled.

    Many of our silly Rightists don’t understand that race is not enough. A western man is accustomed to certain basic things which he takes for granted, but the odd countries we talk about here can’t provide him with even that.

    I’d really recommend all a vacation in Russia or Serbia, to see for themselves what the buzz is about. Both countries resemble more Mexico or India than any western country when it comes to how certain things are done.

    For instance, to get a job you need to ‘know someone’, which also implies paying that someone off with a sizeable bribe, to get that employment. Most of us would think that the point of an employment is to gain money, not to pay for the pleasure of working. On the plus side, once you’ve gotten your job you can start squeezing money out of other people, by requiring bribes for doing what you should have done in the first place anyway. Like curing sick people in a hospital…

    Is such a place something for a normal person?
    I don’t think so.

  9. johnUK on October 3rd, 2009 6:57 pm

    @Ba Racknophobe

    That would have nothing to do with the fact of western imposed Communism in Russia for over 70 years then later Yugoslavia.

    Who imposed economic shock therapy in exchange for banking loans and credit that they transferred there funds to there people in Russia creating a ruling Oligarchy who enforced and gained there power through mafia tactics and launched proxy wars against the 2 nations during the 90’s?

    Most of the accomplishments in the US are done by Jews.

    And who is training, sponsoring and controlling terrorism and organised crime in Russia and Serbia.

    “Russia is economically, culturally and spiritually retarded”

    It is the US that is 2 trillion s dollars in debt and has to borrow from China, Japan and Russia.

    Culturally the US is a multi-cultural state defined by Hollywood and media.

    Spiritually how so by promoting Orthodox Christianity there is no spirituality in Europe and the US it’s based purely on money.

    I seriously doubt corruption is so bad in Russia that every job you get you have to bribe people which President Medvedev has set to tackle with a series of reforms starting in the military.

    What about that wonderful creation Europe and the US created in Kosovo and Bosnia one an outright Islamic state virtually and the other a mafia/terrorist state who have al but wiped out nearly through torture, terrorism and ethnic cleansing and destruction of Serbian Orthodox Christian churches and monuments in that province. The KLA state is now involved in every time of criminal activity from drug smuggling and sex trafficking to organ harvesting from Serbian civilians to crime networks throughout Europe.

    Despite having total ground and air support with KLA terrorist and American mercenaries attacking civilians and Serb police and anti-terrorism agents in co-ordination with NATO which deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure sites like schools, hospitals, power plants, water distilleries and transport.
    Even hit the Chinese embassy.

    A war which was scheduled to last 3 days comprising of the largest military and economic empire the world has ever seen with total air and ground superiority due to Serb ingenuity and resilience last 78 days and that was only after a peace agreement was reached between NATO and Serb forces which NATO never upheld.

    Also remind you that Serbia has to cope with the fact that its economy was bought up way below market value after NATO terror attacks by European companies as part of an aid package and trade negotiations with the EU and that the infrastructure of the country was totally destroyed by NATO bombs and depleted Uranium.

  10. Ba Racknophobe on October 4th, 2009 3:26 pm

    @johnUK

    Even if everything you stated was true, which is debatable, the fact remains, neither Russia nor Serbia is the kind of place an ordinary American or Western European would find remotely livable.

    Your rhetoric reminds of what the blacks in Africa say; ‘It’s because of colonialism.’ or American blacks, ‘It’s because of racism.’ But it is all really about black shortcomings in the end, isn’t it?

    Whatever the reasons behind, these two countries, romanticised by Silly Rightists, are as of today nothing. You seem to be a Serb, so I understand that you want to defend Serbia, but would you honestly recommend any ordinary American to settle there today?

    For people not too Google challenged, it is simple to find blogs from Americans living in foreign countries and telling about their life there.

  11. johnUK on October 4th, 2009 6:46 pm

    @Ba Racknophobe

    Not a Serb or a Russian

    What I said is 100% true in fact they have spent over $1 billion since 89 on terrorism in Russia and that’s not including domestic organised crime networks from Russian cities created by western intelligence that funds these terrorist groups.

    Russia’s degraded infrastructure is due to the fact of our policy imposed on that country during the 90′s where we initiated a mass hyper-inflationary de-industrialisation drive and transferring tax revenue estimated at over £1 trillion and resulting depopulation decline.

    Maybe if the US and other western countries would stop interfering in these and other countries maybe they would find it easier to develop there country like Iranians are trying by building a nuclear plant so they can export there oil and gas reserves.

    If the US is interfering in Africa like they are doing in Sudan smuggling weapons to rebel commanders who were trained at the School of the Americas to support the civil war there so we can intervene and get the oil then it is our fault.

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