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Prothink Radio Worldwide – Wed., Feb. 18, 2009

February 18, 2009

VoR radio hosts Quest and Greg Palino are joined by R.V. for another episode of Prothink Radio Worldwide. Discussed on the show:

  • Northwest Migration
  • Fascism
  • The current day mess
  • Multi-Racialism
  • The Jewish Question
  • Aryanism

1 hour 59 min.

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33 Responses to “Prothink Radio Worldwide – Wed., Feb. 18, 2009”

  1. K-Sensor on February 19th, 2009 12:44 am

    thx for Peter’s and this show!

  2. Anonymous on February 19th, 2009 2:58 am

    There’s a popular meme in existence that in Pagan Europe the idea of saying to a woman that you shouldn’t have an abortion would be utterly contemptible. Abortion was just an unobjectionable fact of life. Such was the level of quasi-feminism in Pagan culture.

    A lot of feminists too, you are no doubt aware, speak of the millenia past in Europe as fine, until the Patriarchal Christian religion came along. This is a very strong theme and does not just pass off with me.

    I’d like to hear a proper response to this, as to why feminists and white racialist fascists are on the same page; with regard to their love of paganism and hatred of Christianity.

    Another thing that concerns me is that Pagan Scandinavians (whose ascendants today are easily the most wimped, politically correct group of people in the West, by the way) never really had to deal with matters of racial conservatism.

    They did not have the mass transportation with possibilities for mass immigration/emigration. They didn’t have the extensive state with its need for continual revenue, thus more workers, thus if the natives aren’t reproducing, workers will be imported. None of these issues arose in the time of the native Heathen Scandinavians.

    Are the holistic ideas of European Paganism suitable to today’s world? What exactly is the advantage of having a belief system based on God/Goddesses? What exactly is the advantage of worshipping Nature?

    I’m saying in a practical sense, how do these things fit in. For me they don’t really fit in. They can apply to a multicult/multiracial society just as easily as a racially cohesive one.

    Again the idea that Paganism prefers racial cohesion in the first place should not necessarily be taken as a given, IMO, because the issue largely did not arise. If anything Paganism seems more disposed to multiracialism.

    Many groups that identify as Neo-Pagan – feminists, New Agers, Gnostics – see themselves as multiracial. Morals should by no means by set in stone in pagan society, take the case of abortion cited above.

    I don’t think I’ll ever be converted to the EuroPagan camp. They’re too many contradictions and it just seems too morally malleable. I’m with Peter Schaenk on this one. I don’t see any solutions from necessarily springing from a harking back to Pagan Europe.

  3. Anonymous on February 19th, 2009 3:10 am

    Many also see Kabbalistic Talmudism as Pagan too, something to think about.

    The two groups I most despise, and which are causing most damage to our race/culture, are Jews and Feminists.

    Both seem to have Paganism – be it Babylonian or European – as their spiritual root.

    It could be argued that Jews and Feminists are today the strongest carriers of Pagan belief and practice. It occurred to me recently that my dislike of both groups is not a coincidence as they probably do have an spiritual commonality.

    It makes no difference to me, because although I am European I feel no affiliation whatsoever to the anarchic polytheistic religion of my ancestors.

  4. K-Sensor on February 19th, 2009 5:27 am

    Just to correct the speaker.

    Christianity isn’t Jewish. Not one piece, bar the Bible defining the Jews as the devil creed.

    In the Bible it says they call themselves Israelites but they are not, they are the Synagogue of Satan.

    Darwinism is a Jewish fraternity. Same with Marxism and Socialism.

    There is zero proof that Humans evolved from Apes. There is proof though of changes within species commonly called evolution.

  5. K-Sensor on February 19th, 2009 5:40 am

    Hitler was interlinked with the Catholic Church. Later he was betrayed and he ordered that the Pope be nabbed. His orders were disobeyed.

    During WW2 only Talmudic Ashkenazis/Jews were encamped.

    The Karaite Jews were allowed to walk the streets throughout the whole war period.

    So Hitler was very Religiously aware. I don’t think Hitler would have had such a understanding if he didn’t know or believed in a particular religion.

  6. K-Sensor on February 19th, 2009 6:18 am

    Also it’s bad to portray the future as one where internet is taken away from people. We should always express that it will be a war if they try.

  7. Ba Racknophobe on February 19th, 2009 12:56 pm

    This program was so meaningless.

  8. Quest on February 19th, 2009 4:29 pm

    How so Racknophobe? And explain what would be of meaning to you?

  9. Quest on February 19th, 2009 4:32 pm

    “There is proof though of changes within species commonly called evolution.”—Uh, yeah….thats Darwinism… Sorry your offended that not all of us are Christian…This is why I tend to try to avoid the topic of Religion.

  10. Quest on February 19th, 2009 4:36 pm

    @Anonymous
    I would reply to your insane comments about our European Religions and feminists…But you leave no name, and speak maddness. I have not met one “feminist” in any European Religion…Unless you count wicca.

  11. Anonymous on February 19th, 2009 5:22 pm

    “I would reply to your insane comments about our European Religions and feminists…But.. I have not met one “feminist” in any European Religion…Unless you count wicca.”

    That is inaccurate.

    “Sorry your offended that not all of us are Christian…This is why I tend to try to avoid the topic of Religion.”

    Okay, that’s fine, but if you do bring it up you should at least respond to criticisms of EuroPaganism, rather than just snipe at Christianity and place your religion as the panacea.

  12. Anonymous on February 19th, 2009 5:32 pm

    It’s inaccurate to say that Feminism and Paganism don’t interrelate. (Some points of commonality: fertility worshsip, human sacrifice [arguable: abortion] and moral relativity.)

  13. cillian on February 19th, 2009 8:22 pm

    You mentioned a Romanian fascist that we should all look into, but the spelling of foreign names is not my forte, can you give his name in writing?

    Also, it’s great to hear someone talking about morals and standards – something that seems to be sadly overlooked these days.

  14. Quest on February 19th, 2009 8:41 pm

    “You mentioned a Romanian fascist that we should all look into, but the spelling of foreign names is not my forte, can you give his name in writing?”——-
    The Iron Guard..and the leader name was Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

  15. K-Sensor on February 20th, 2009 12:40 am

    “yeah….thats Darwinism… Sorry your offended that not all of us are Christian…This is why I tend to try to avoid the topic of Religion.”

    …As in evolution within a kind. Darwinism is a greater field then simply changes due to select breeding.

    You don’t need to be a Christian to see that everything coming form a single ancestor is invalid and has no evidence to support the claim. No fossils to show change. No signs of modern species transformations.

    Christianity is a Semitic Near Eastern mystery cult.

    Enough said.

    What if the Europeans are parts of the ten tribes that disappeared from Israel?

    If you’re not Christian then you somewhat believe the atheist-science group where all people come out of Africa. No Race other than tuned breeding. We are all the same ancestor. All the same potential to finesse in breeding, in time. We are just animals. Like dog breeds are to a k9 grand ancestor.

    The above belief is liken to the difference in using basic knives and forks, apart from using silver ware at a dining table. What gets me is that most White Nationalists aren’t seeking perfection in other parts of their lives other than in protecting their likes in looks to the opposite sex. There’s a level of insanity there.

    The soul knows what’s important. The animal only knows greed. Greed leads to barbarism. Take your pick.

    Christians believe there are three main groups that come out of North Africa. Whites->Able’s people, Cain’s people, interbreeds with bad spirits who mixed with the Cain line. Then the flood, which is scientifically able to be proved, then Noah’s line that also partly got hit on by the bad spirits making another Cain type linage. Then Babel where people where taking into many groups and dispersed over the World.

    The Bible people are in Europe, America, Canada, Australia/NZ, somewhat South Africa, and Russia.

    To me God decreed that Race was to be respected and maintained, else we would be defying the time of Babel.

  16. JD on February 20th, 2009 12:48 am

    @ people bashing paganism.

    You’re probably thinking of Wicca, which deserves to be bashed as it’s a modern invention and a mash up of old religions formed into an incoherent blob of new age bull shit . Heathenism, Forn Seid, Asatru, Odinism, Wotanism or what ever you care to call it is perfectly valid and not feminist in the modern sense.

    Oh and Christianity is plenty pagan, every Christmas and Easter tradition can trace it’s roots to old heathen celebrations. Though you can rationalize ‘christmas trees’, mistletoe, Santa Claus and easter eggs in what ever way makes you feel best.

  17. Hayden on February 20th, 2009 1:20 am

    Paganism has dual meanings. You will not like the world you live in without Christians.

  18. K-Sensor on February 20th, 2009 1:53 am

    “were taken into many groups and dispersed over the World.”

    Most dark religions are from the Mystery School understandings.

    http://www.nordiskisrael.dk/artikler/Prussia%20being%20the%20tribe%20of%20Gad.htm

  19. K-Sensor on February 20th, 2009 3:38 am
  20. Roslyn on February 20th, 2009 5:04 am

    I really appreciated the fine discussions you gave us today, quest and RV. Thanks for all your uplifting efforts. I look forward to Monday.

  21. admin on February 20th, 2009 9:00 am

    “Most dark religions are from the Mystery School understandings.”

    “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. -Corinthians 15:51

    Christianity is straight from the fate and mystery cults from the east that were circulating at the time, sharing much of the doctrine (bread/wine = bones/blood, resurrection of the deity, lament for the dead then celebration for the resurrected, promise of eternal life after death for the faithful, virgin mother of God, etc etc.). I should put together some text that could fool any Christian into thinking I was talking about Christianity only to reveal that it’s actually the Dionysian cult or the cult of Isis. There were so many similarities between Christianity and Mithraism that the early church had to say that it was the devil’s fault!

    Guess where the hotbed of these cults existed . . . Tarsus, as in Sol of Tarsus–you know, the guy who invented Christianity?

  22. Anonymous on February 20th, 2009 9:22 am

    Except that there is one very major difference, Admin. The Babylonian Mystery Schools, as with European Paganism, is polytheistic. Christianity is monotheistic.

    I don’t take your assertion to be true. But for the sake of argument let’s consider it true. We are going from one Pagan-derived religion to another, EuroPaganism. How is this an improvement?

  23. Anonymous on February 20th, 2009 9:23 am

    Seeing as you say that the supposedly Pagan-derived Christianity is bad.

  24. Is it okay to be Anon on February 20th, 2009 9:53 am

    I agree with the complaint that white racialists are haters of Christianity, no different than the jews and feminists. It’s so hypocritical and deja vu all over again.

    You don’t realize that the jews will use white racialists for their own purposes through infiltration, just as they used the Nazis to scare all the jews to Israhell. The jews will promote and use you to destroy Christianity, which has been their dream for eons. No thanks. Are you serious that you can’t see you’re playing the jews game by denigrating Christianity?

    Also, white racialists sound like idiots when they criticize Christianity, because it was Christianity that made the West what it was. Even Hitler knew that.

    If I have to choose being under “domination” of jews and being allowed to worship in Christianity, or having Christianity destroyed and having to listen to a bunch of pagans, I’ll take the status quo, thank you very much.

    White racialists are shooting themselves in the foot by denigrating Christianity. The fight against jews will be nothing compared to the fight with Christians over this issue. In fact many wars in Europe were fought over this issue and the jews did not even have to start or finance the fight.

  25. Hayden on February 20th, 2009 10:57 am

    Christianity built the America most of us are trying to restore. I, myself am not a devout religeous man, but I appreciate the the faith.

    You don’t have to subscribe to the dogma, but the fundamentals are a good quideline for life. I wish more people would follow them.

  26. klaos on February 20th, 2009 12:11 pm

    “Christianity built the America most of us are trying to restore. I, myself am not a devout religeous man, but I appreciate the the faith.”

    Well Put.

    I tend to think of religion as an evolutionary adaptation, or as prof. McDonald says, part of a group evolutionary strategy. So, pragmatically, what has strategy has a proven track record?

    Historically, there is a strong correlation between Christianity and a thriving European culture and people.

    Even more importantly, the ONLY institution that has successfully protected European societies from Jewish domination, for a significant period of time, was the Catholic church in the Middle Ages.

    Saying Christianity is Jewish is kind of like saying Europeans are Africans because at one point our ancestors lived in Africa.

  27. Ba Racknophobe on February 20th, 2009 12:37 pm

    Let me just take the Northwest Migration idea, as an example of what was pontless in this program. This idea is so wrong in so many ways that I don’t know where to begin.

    For starters, the fantasy of solving all our present day problems with a gordian master stroke in some misty future, by forging a new country, a sort of an aryan Shangri-La in the Northwest, is dangerous in the way that it takes focus off here and now and instead puts it into the realm of dreams and fantasies.

    Why take care of our present problems when it all will be so nice and cozy in that future White Country? This is something like a religion. Don’t mind that you’re poor, hungry and dirty. When you get to Heaven, they’ll issue you a harp and angel wings. Everyone will be smiling and lions will play with lambs.

    Yeah, sure.

    Even if someone managed to make white people move there in significant numbers, here’s how I’d do to sabotage the thing if I were on the opposite side. I’d give a couple of thousand white moles credits to buy property in that land and on a given signal sell it all to non-whites. You’d have to have racial laws to stop that from happening, which you simply wouldn’t be allowed to have by the powers that be.

    There were plenty of “purely white” countries in the world and they’re not that any more. Those countries who were purely white, like Australia (except for the aboriginals), with its racial laws which stipulated that only whites were allowed to immigrate, very quickly became racially mixed once the laws were relaxed.

    So the idea has been tried and it has failed. Why try a failed concept again?

    I should add that there indeed was a part of the program I liked, the part where you spoke about self betterment.

    However, it seems like we’re in a situation where we’re like a bunch of stone age people who suddenly find a grand piano in a cave somewhere. It makes some sounds and it has black and white keys and looks like an enormous cockroach, but what’s it good for? Do we smash it with our clubs? Or should we pull out those black and white keys and give one to each member of the tribe? Or do we try to eat it?

    I’d stop dreaming of starting a new country and set my sights for very much smaller goals. When one’s confused one should always look back and see what has worked before and what hasn’t.

    A good starting point would be to live by the Greek ideals.
    (Which you will have to google for if you don’t know what they’re about).

  28. Mishko Novosel on February 20th, 2009 1:41 pm

    Every darn time religion is brought up all the folks come out of the woodwork to complain about this or that, it never fails.

  29. Mike Delaney on February 20th, 2009 2:35 pm

    “Hayden on February 20th, 2009 10:57 am

    Christianity built the America most of us are trying to restore. I, myself am not a devout religious man, but I appreciate the the faith.

    You don’t have to subscribe to the dogma, but the fundamentals are a good quideline for life. I wish more people would follow them.”

    Completely agree.

  30. Ba Racknophobe on February 20th, 2009 4:48 pm

    OK, I have to correct myself.
    What I was thinking of was the four Hellenic virtues and not the Greek ideals.

    The four Hellenic virtues are:
    Justice, Courage, Wisdom, and Moderation.

    I am not an American (I live in Sweden) and therefore it would be interesting for me if you discussed some American phenomena I can’t seem to figure out. So here are some suggestions for topics you could talk about in your program.

    *Why do Protestans seem to hate Catholics?

    *What is this “I am a rugged individualist” delusion? What makes you people believe you are? For an outside observer most of you guys appear as the opposite of individualists.

    *Yet another American phenomenon is your incredible gullibility. As soon as someone expresses more than two opinions which you agree with, you drop all shields and swallow the most absurd stories you hear from that person. Where’s that from?

    *In connection with the previous, what’s with the adolation of Serbs in rightist circles in America? I have been to Serbia and it’s really not much to brag about. Unless you like filth and thievery that is. Also, just like the Jews the Serbs have grandiose ideas about who they are. The Jews call themselves “chosen people”, while the Serbs call themselves “heavenly people”. Both peoples are habitual liars and mythomaniacs. So what’s the deal here?

    *Who do you consider as white and by what criteria? Or, if you will, what groups do you not consider white and why not? I can’t fathom in what way a swarthy Italian or Greek is supposed to be non-white? Or not really white. Some of you Anglos, Germans and Dutch look as swarthy as the Italians or Greeks, so what then makes you whiter than them?

    *I’d really like to hear more from these paganists. What are they really about. To me they seem silly. Sorry guys. Christianity built the western culture, not paganism.

    *One thing that puzzles most Europeans is the incredible obesity of so many Americans. It can’t be good for the health. What’s up with that?

    Those are some topics that would interest me.
    I don’t mean to start a flame war here, so don’t take my questions as insults, they aren’t.

  31. admin on February 20th, 2009 8:03 pm

    Except that there is one very major difference, Admin. The Babylonian Mystery Schools, as with European Paganism, is polytheistic. . .

    Not all of them. See: Zoroaster.

    Christianity is monotheistic.

    Not entirely. Yaweh is the God, Jesus is the son, and Mary–to whom Catholics pray as I recall–is the mother. . . . then there’s the Holy Spirit . . . At the very least, it’s not as radically monotheistic as Islam.

    I don’t take your assertion to be true.

    It’s not a matter of opinion, really. There are plenty of good books on the matter. Caesar and Christ goes into this a good deal, and is very readable. Christianity, like most Eastern religions, rely on faith, but I think it’s odd to disagree when you haven’t actually looked into it.

    We are going from one Pagan-derived religion to another, EuroPaganism. How is this an improvement?

    I didn’t say that it was, but if I was to let you put words in my mouth, I would construct the argument that the Western tradition of tough-minded realism trumps the innervating and comforting faiths of the East every time. Religion seemed a lot more fun when gods weren’t mutually exclusive, as with Judaism and Christianity. Since the masses are fickle and full of unbridled passions, it’s good that they should believe in some God, so I have no dog in the fight, per se.

    Seeing as you say that the supposedly Pagan-derived Christianity is bad.

    Try to be more careful in your reading. I haven’t placed moral judgment on anything, saying one is good and the other is bad. That’s for noobs. I’m merely interjecting some perspective. Once you delve into what was going on at the time, the events that led up to Jesus’ ministry, and the first few centuries of Christianity, this stuff makes a lot more sense.

    Hey, did you know that Julius Caesar was Pontifex Maximus?

  32. Quest on February 21st, 2009 4:57 pm

    @Ba Racknophobe
    I had on a guest whoes knowledge and beliefs were in partly, NWM, so we spoke about it. Buy into it or not, its up to you. Personaly, I would like to move to a place like the NW or upper Mich. because of the land, schools, and people, if a NWM movement grows there, then thats a added extra.

    @Religion: Positive Christian values are great, I support any pro-white, pro-moral Christianity beliefs. Personally, through my own studies and beliefs, I do not believe.

  33. Susie on February 23rd, 2009 10:38 am

    TO EVERYONE:
    I began my calls today to the House Judiciary members concerning voting against HR 256 and 262. This is the reaction of John Conyers’ office, Democrat and CHAIRMAN:

    The first name on my list is John Conyers, Michigan. I spoke with a woman who answered the phone who basically laughed at me NOT because she has received any other calls telling Conyers not to vote for HR256 and 262, but because Conyers sponsored the bill. She also laughed about the Hate Crime bills ruining Germany and Canada and when I asked her to deliver the message, she hung up on me.

    Howard L. Berman’s answering guy was equally abrupt but so far, the rest of the Dems are taking the message without laughing.

    GET ON THE HORN AND JOIN IN THE FUN!!! CALL THESE MEMBERS……..
    Susie
    The Patriot Dames

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