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Schaenk interviews Edgar J. Steele, Wed. 10/29

October 29, 2008

VoR radio host Peter Schaenk returns today with an interview with special guest, author and trial lawyer Edgar J. Steele. On the show Peter and Edgar discuss:

  • Edgar’s new book, Defensive Racism,
  • The financial crisis and “Affirmative Action”,
  • Matt Hale, Bill White and the government’s crusade to destroy White political groups,
  • The upcoming election, and more.

2 hours 22 min.

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60 Responses to “Schaenk interviews Edgar J. Steele, Wed. 10/29”

  1. Howdy Doody on October 30th, 2008 1:09 am

    Peter, you have my email.

    I have obligations too, but your worthy, so please email me so I can get a mailing address. I do Not Use Pay Pal etc.

    Best to you.

  2. mb on October 30th, 2008 9:19 am

    Love Edgar, hate your music.

  3. K-Sensor on October 30th, 2008 3:15 pm

    I think Edgar made the mistake to want to protect his works and demand Prothink to modify a his Youtube. I agree with protecting one’s work, but in a climate of desperation for our movement, you should be clad to let anyone repeat your message, even if they call it their own.

    Edgar played the card when you shouldn’t be playing competition with your friends. Now Mike has categorised Edgar as self determinate.

    I think Mike should remove Edgar’s personal details though as it wont help anyone. Mike should have just declared what he thinks of Edgar, not stab him in the back so to speak.

    Great shows Peter. Many thanks!!!

    Another issue I had with Edgar is he failed to see the Hegelian Dialect of the Election. The globalists let people take a choice, the female path or the male path. The Female side, democrats who push socialism, whilst the male is conservative angled but brings wars for the NWO.

  4. K-Sensor on October 30th, 2008 3:16 pm

    I think Edgar made the mistake to want to protect his works and demand Prothink to modify his Youtube status earned. I agree with protecting one’s work, but in a climate of desperation for our movement, you should be glad to let anyone repeat your message, even if they call it their own.

  5. K-Sensor on October 30th, 2008 3:24 pm

    So agree with groups being entrapments. I left posting on Stormfront years ago as it was anti-Christian and extreme in what it expects from a future. I joined their site originally to talk on News items with similar minds, but found quickly most were into dark faiths or tactless criminal types.

    I agree it takes all types to make an army, but you don’t give the decision making to the soldiers, else you end up with chaos.

  6. K-Sensor on October 30th, 2008 3:25 pm

    Would Edgar’s book be the type a library would stock?

  7. F on October 30th, 2008 4:51 pm

    Peter,

    Thanks for the demoralizing show. Oh, what’s the point of it all, eh?

    I’ve listened to quite a few of your audios, and find it rather odd that you’d support federal legislation designed to handle so-called domestic terrorism. As if the law should be designed to deal with the truly exceptional behavior of a lunatic who finds a telephone number online and might then commit a crime.

    Western law has traditionally dealt in ACTUAL damage to person or property, not in probabilities.

    You talk about being a strong man, then whine repeatedly about posting contact information. Sorry, but it seems rather lame and inconsistent with your main message.

  8. Quest on October 30th, 2008 5:55 pm

    You need to get Mike on the show. It was not as simple as EJS put it. If all the demand was just to credit EJS, then it would not have been an issue. EJS wanted soooo much more, it was almost funny as Mike was telling me after the first call form EJS.

  9. Z.O.G. on October 30th, 2008 6:41 pm

    Who cares about this Edgar Steel vs. Prothink crap?

  10. James Hawthorne on October 30th, 2008 6:59 pm

    Good show Peter. Enjoyed Edgar’s take on most things, however his legal take on the Matt Hale and know Bill White situation was very interesting.

    Let’s all take notice in this post 9/11 Homeland Security world….”Loose lips sinks ships”.

  11. K-Sensor on October 30th, 2008 11:31 pm

    F said I’ve listened to quite a few of your audios, and find it rather odd that you’d support federal legislation designed to handle so-called domestic terrorism

    F it’s Peter’s style to ask questions and talk about the response even though he may not agree with the topic. I think Peter was coming from a family protection angle. Mike has released information that could threaten a man’s family.

    I am a little concerned why Edgar was so protective of a small piece of his work, I would be happy for anyone to copy my said words if they were a benefit for the cause.

    Mike is getting a message out, he needs all the resources as possible to spread it. It’s stupid they are both fighting and I can only see this repairing if they both drop their defensive positions.

  12. K-Sensor on October 30th, 2008 11:33 pm

    F said

    I’ve listened to quite a few of your audios, and find it rather odd that you’d support federal legislation designed to handle so-called domestic terrorism.

  13. Scott on October 31st, 2008 12:42 am

    Good work Peter and welcome back. Ignore the backstabber’s and whiners, and keep putting out the facts. These types will try to continue to push your buttons, but I believe your better than this.

    As far as the dispute between prothink and edgar, you said it best-both should man up, make a compromise and forget it. I learned along time ago that you just have to forgive and at least try to forget, water under the bridge. Meanwhile the world is going to hell in a handbag and there is all this infighting. Facts win, fights are just interruptions and annoyances between the fact telling.

    Press forward and persevere, either way I trust your decision to do what you have to but meanwhile I will enjoy your radio files until such time that you hang it up.

    God bless,

    Scott

  14. New Ameica on October 31st, 2008 1:21 am

    My heart-felt thanks to you for allowing Edgar Steele to give HIS side of the story, not just of this issue with prothink, but with his masterful summary of the failures of White Nationalist organizations, which never seem to make headway…

    And now we know why.

    Anyone interested in hearing this could just skip the first two hours, and go to the beginning of the second hour, where Steele discusses how our deepest enemies seems to be our brothers in The Struggle.

    I noticed this in the way you were treated at RBN, and it has bothered me so much I think I understand, in part, what is going on.

    It’s simple.

    White Nationalism, in its current form, resembles nothing so much as a stunningly dysfunctional family struggle, with one and all claiming to have “THE Answer,” and “THE Truth.”

    This is all after Pierce died, and, like so many of our Kinsmen who sought Leadership positions, did not think in terms of how to carry the ball forward if they were incapacitated.

    Every time we get someone who looks like he might be some sort of figurehead, he – or someone very close to him – is made an example of, and constructively neutralized.

    Movement Present – with the exception of few indeed, like VOR, VNN’s Socrates, and Bob Whitaker’s people – resembles nothing so much as people who can not even get the BASICS right, much less the advanced issues.

    For all practical purposes, Movement Present resembles a stunningly dysfunctional Family reunion, with all and sundry, with precious few exceptions, all too willing to condemn one another totally, for what is really a minor issues, in the larger scheme of things.

    Movement “Organizations” have support that is an inch wide, and an inch deep. Let the remote hint of anotehr opinion come to the surface, and they resemble nothing so much as high school lunchroom cliques. “You can’t sit a OUR table, Peter Schaenk! We don’t LIKE you! You don’t believe the One True Way!”

    This is true pretty much everywhere; even on organizations that preach on the importance of free speech, like VNN.

    I’ve been exiled from VNN for supporting the rulings of the Federal judiciary regarding Kevin Alfred Strom; notably, my position was, and remains, that a Federal Court has spoken, and that is it, from the perspective of the Society in which we live.

    While this belief is “not good enough” for VNN, note that I am not saying let’s invite Kevin over for Sunday dinner.

    I AM saying that a Federal judiciary has SPOKEN on the matter of Kevin Alfred Strom returning to society, with very strong limits being placed.

    Take that and extend to to the painfully gained experiences of Edgar Steele, with most of a lifetime spent serving Ideals that were spoken of favorably, and scorned in practice, by many of those who he was trying to defend.

    Look at Peter Schaenk, drop kicked from RBN for doing a straight down the middle interview of Bill White.

    Whatever happened to the self-proclaimed “Republic of Texas,” fighting for basic Constitutional rights? How about all of the Patriotard broadcasters, speaking loudly and at length, for the needs of Constitutionally-guaranteed rights of “free speech?’

    Why can’t we get anything going in terms of organization?

    I think it is coming down to this:

    Acceptance of “White Nationalism” is an EXTENSION of love of your Immediate Family, your Extended Family, your RACE (and organic NATION), and then the willingness to understand the fight for the processes that formed and sustained your organic NATION in the abstract.

    …IN THE ABSTRACT.

    Look at this in the context of the development of Christianity.

    Christianity began as a Cult – strictly speaking – and, in time, became a Religion which was an organizing principle for an Empire..

    White Nationalism, at its best, is pretty much at the sub-Cult status.

    Yes, there is the Cult of Rockwell, and the Cult of Pierce, but they never really outlived their Founders, who had no conception of the magnitude of the struggle they were involved in, AND did not have organizational systems designed to carry The Vision forward past their lifetimes.

    Christ United – first, the Apostles, and then, the White Nations of Western Civilization – actually, Civilization – and what would become Europe,

    He united because He could display a transcendental Vision of what was possible, and orovide guidance on how to make the Vision a Reality, even if it took thousands and thousands of years to do so.

    We are stuck at the sub-Cult level, for now.

    The greatest cause for optimism is this:

    What our Racial Enemy sees us as being capable of is so tremendous, they MUST ruthlessly block any attempts at us organizing along truly sustainable, constructively transcendental, Racial lines.

    THEY see what we may Become better than WE do!

    Thanks to Peter and Edgar Steele for a great show!

  15. Jew-Dar on October 31st, 2008 7:22 pm

    Peter has good shows and needs to keep interviewing different guests every week. neo-American media like VOR will be growing in bounds in the coming months, please capitalize on this opportunity. WN while a educational perspective and ideology is to exclusive to catch on in mainstream America. Any serious coming movement in opposition to the jew-world-order forces of shit system of hate and genocide against all non-jews (primarily to European American decended peoples) will have to be something of the Patriot/Ron Paul/conservative/the thinking left/steal from the neo-cons right/White Nationalists/ and Patriot Americans from different cultures. But in order for any kind of new America Patriot movent to have real substance & energy it has to accept and use what the WN bring to the table.

    No truth movement that is in the interests of Western Civilization can do without a Nazi subculture. B/C the Nazis combined most of the strong points of western culture and mysticism in the National Socialist movements. Denying Nazism is deneying the history and evolution of our race. Not saying to dress or always show the symbols, but do not cowar or panic when Jews link white perspective to Nazis. The Jews are very powerful because the study in detail and adopt lots of Nazi (national socialist) culture. Does that make sense?

    Some other observations, Peter seems to like to attack all efforts of Euro-American media. He puts a lot of energy into, and has a viciousnesss in his voice when bad mouthing white activist efforts. You never hear him say anything bad about or condeming about white trash disease spreading, 3rd world spreading wigger whores. Something about the baby boomer generation is real tolerant and accepting of trash females that do this….?

    I would also recommend Peter read “Seige” by James Mason. A PDF file of the book can be found somewhere at VNNforum.com. Everything under the sun has been tried regarding trying to get freedom for humans from the JEWS. This was written in teh 70′s & 80′s. So while Peter complains about people in the anti-Jew World Order media saying a cuss word on a message board, JEWS are making Nigger shit ape monkey on white trash diseased drug wog meat whore GANG RAPE porno movies.

    I would also recommend Peter read the books of “Creativity” written by Ben Klassen. These are excellent and enlightening books about the Jews and Christianity (these books are life changing if you read them). The Jews put Matt Hale in prison for 40 years! Before his imprisonment the World Church of the Creator wanted to distribute 10 million books to the American public, this shows you how much this literature was a threat to JEWfaggotZOG forces of Evil and Shit. PDF files of these books can be found on the internet somewhere. Although there are flaws in this relegion for whites there is good information and evidence of the destruction of Christianity to Euro raced peoples. I think Chrisianity should be used for the Euro Race’s benifit, but not while it is led by sick degenerate pedophiles, fags, jews, sick liberals, tolerators of nigger fucking trash whores, etc. I was raised to believe in Christianity and turned away for awhile after reading these books, but have come to realize Christianity will be important to controlling the masses and fighting the Jews. Appollian or something like that posts different places and can explain why Christianity is important in fighting the Jews better.

    And yes Peter, people will use words to show the hate that so many sick evil people in Amerikwa deserve. Kwans need a punch to the face and a kick in the teeth more than they need talking to. Most of these shit bag wigger kwan goys are beyond the point of talking to. So don’t thinking that a little cussing here and there makes a difference. Most kwans don’t read, much less media on the internet they don’t even know about.

    Physical media to bring people to the internet is what jew-ZOG fears. They went after Matt Hale b/c they were getting the word out, they went after, they went after the National Alliance when they were distributing 100s of thousands of flyers, Craig Cobb when he distributed 10s of thousands of Aryan Alternative newspapers, they went after PanzerFaust records when they were passing out 100,000 CD samplers (project school yard), they went after Yankee Jim when his blog was seen by 100,000 people in the jew infested Catskill area in only a couple months, now they went after Bill White when his magazine had a print of 10-20 thousand copies.

    Keep in mind what JEW-ZOG really fears. Legal Media protected by the 1st Amendment.

    In the

  16. Jew-Dar on October 31st, 2008 7:43 pm

    Sorry if some/most of that was off topic, but I do catch/down load all of Peters shows. Just giving some feed back over several shows.

    Also might want to change up the music from time to time.

    Not just rely on the JEW-AP news for stories and topics.

    Hit on some of the racial genocide crime going on against humans.

    http://newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html

    http://www.nnnforum.org/forums/

    Listen to some of these shows to

    http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?cat=682

  17. Jew-Dar on October 31st, 2008 7:47 pm
  18. Jew-Dar on October 31st, 2008 7:47 pm

    Things about race might not have been taught.

    The Reality of Race – A Summary of John R. Baker’s book: “Race”by Thomas Jackson

    From American Renaissance magazine November, 1993

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    “Race is a veritable mountain of evidence, all of which can lead only to the conclusion that the races differ in ability. Nevertheless, Dr. Baker is strictly the scientist. He draws no further conclusions and makes no suggestions about social policy. There is no doubt in his mind that current orthodoxy on this subject is absurd, but he limits his exegesis to the interpretation of data.”

    John R. Baker, Race, Foundation for Human Understanding (original publisher: Oxford Univ. Press), 1974

    * Introduction

    * The Proper Study of Mankind

    * Race and Color

    * Equal or Unequal?

    * A Mountain of Evidence

    Race, by John Baker, is a remarkable book. There is probably no other treatment of the biology and physical anthropology of race that approaches it in breadth, detail, erudition or style. Even more remarkable is the book’s point of view. Far from evading the issue of racial differences in ability, it was written for the very purpose of investigating and clarifying those differences.

    Dr. Baker, now deceased, was the ideal author for this book. He was professor emeritus of cytology at Oxford University, a Fellow of the Royal Society, and president of the Royal Microscopical Society. To these professional qualifications he added an abiding interest in what he called the “ethnic question,” that is to say, the entire range of ways in which the races differ.

    Written late in life, Race is Dr. Baker’s definitive statement on what he considered one of the most important issues of our time. From start to finish the book is stuffed with little-known, eye-opening facts, and it is fascinating, even essential reading for anyone with a serious interest in race. It is supplemented with more than 80 illustrations, and some of the simpler line drawings are reproduced here.

    Race is organized in four parts. The first is a summary of what was thought and freely written about racial differences up through the end of the 1920s when, as Dr. Baker puts it, “the curtain came down” on open discussion. The second is an introduction to the biology of taxonomy or classification, including a thorough treatment of how races and species are identified. The third is a detailed inventory of the biological differences that distinguish the major races and subraces. In this section Dr. Baker makes a particular study of whites, or Europids as he calls them, and of Africans (Negrids), Bushmen (Sanids), Australian aborigines (Australids), Celts, and Jews. In the final section, Dr. Baker sets out what he considers to be the essential criteria for determining what he bluntly calls superiority and inferiority. Not surprisingly, his conclusions are at odds with current dogma.

    Dr. Baker’s historical account of what has been written about ethnic differences includes introductions to a number of people one might well expect, such as the Comte de Gobineau, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Nietzsche, Francis Galton, and even Hitler. Dr. Baker also describes the pioneering but no longer recognized work of men like Johann Blumenbach (1752-1840) and Samuel Sommerring (1755-1830).

    Other famous men have pronounced themselves on the question of racial differences and, until recently, few have had any sympathy for the notion of equality. Rousseau, for example, thought the chimpanzee was a primitive form of human being, and Kant, Voltaire, and Hume thought the Negro vastly inferior to the European. Dr. Baker reminds us that even the Bible is hardly silent on the ethnic problem. The Children of Israel routinely exterminated enemies, whom they considered inferior, and in the tenth book of Joshua, they enslaved the entire Hivite people.

    The Proper Study of Mankind

    In the more technical sections that follow, Dr. Baker draws on his scientific training to treat homo sapiens as just one more member of the animal kingdom. “No one knows man who knows only man,” he observes, and adds: “One might almost go so far as to say, in relation to the ethnic problem, that the proper study of mankind is animals.” By this he means that without a thorough grounding in biology and taxonomy it is impossible to view man with the detachment that science requires. Dr. Baker writes, he explains, in the spirit that inspired T.H. Huxley to conclude that “Anthropology is a section of zoology [and] . . . the problems of ethnology are simply those which are presented to the zoologist by every widely distributed animal he studies.” In this, Dr. Baker is out of step with many contemporary social scientists who seem to believe that humans are uniquely exempt from the laws of heredity and from the kind of scrutiny to which all other animals are subject.

    Dr. Baker leads us firmly back to biology with an account of how evolution gave rise to different species, how species are classified, the nature of hybridity, and the circumstances under which animals can be made to mate with differing species. Anthropology indeed becomes a branch of zoology. However, in this discussion it becomes clear that man differs from animals in at least one important way: humans are exceedingly unselective in their mating habits and will copulate with individuals–across racial lines, for example–from whom they are physically very different.

    The contrast with the seven kinds of European mosquito, for example, could not be greater. Their eggs can be distinguished because of slight differences, but adults are so similar that not even experts can tell them apart under a microscope. What experts cannot do, the mosquitoes do without fail; they never interbreed.

    Dr. Baker likewise reports that Grant’s gazelle and Thompson’s gazelle live together in mixed herds and are so similar in appearance that it takes a trained eye to tell them apart. They, too, never interbreed. It is only under domestication that animals can be made to overcome their repugnance for mates unlike themselves and thus produce mules or leopons (a cross between tiger and leopard). Domesticated dogs breed indiscriminately with widely different types but wild dogs like wolves, foxes, and coyotes breed only with their own kind.

    Man is the most domesticated of animals and the least exclusive in his amours–but his promiscuity varies enormously by group and individual. As Dr. Baker points out, the Indian caste system successfully prevented interbreeding even among racially similar people. At the same time, there are individuals whose lust for animals is so great that bestiality has had to be specifically forbidden ever since Biblical times.

    The races and sub-races of man have evolved largely because of geographical separation, but Dr. Baker also refers to what he calls “ecological races” that evolved to fill different but overlapping niches. The small stature of African pygmies, for example, fits them to forest life while the larger Negrids live in clearings.

    If humans had continued to evolve in isolation or if they were as discriminating as animals in their choice of mates, racial differences would eventually lead to mutually infertile species. This would be diversity of a truly remarkable kind.

    Domestication and travel have led to increasing miscegenation, but Dr. Baker speculates about another possible reason. The skulls of our remote ancestors show that their olfactory organs were much better developed than ours. It is also likely that ancient man had stronger odors than does modern man, and since our ancestors’ mating habits were probably governed by smell just like those of animals, this discouraged mating with unfamiliar peoples. Even today the races have different odors.

    Dr. Baker notes drily that although modern man is scrupulous in selecting only the most promising breeding couples among his domestic animals, he almost never gives the same attention to his own reproduction. “It follows,” he adds, “that we cannot look for any advance in inborn intelligence . . . .”

    Race and Color

    Dr. Baker writes at some length about skin color, but only because race and color are sometimes confused. He himself thinks the subject is trivial and, in fact, since at least Darwin’s time scientists have recognized that color is unimportant in distinguishing biological forms. Dr. Baker points out that to make color the touch stone of race is as stupid as to think that a red rose is more closely related to a red petunia than to a white rose.

    Australian aborigines are similar in color to Bushmen, for example, but it would be difficult to think of two racial groups that are more dissimilar biologically. Likewise, Dr. Baker explains that some of the inhabitants of northern India have relatively dark skin but are racially very close to Europids.

    Skin color is affected by the color of blood that may be visible through it, but the main reason for variations in skin color is the presence of different amounts of the pigment melanin. All humans make the same melanin and have much the same number of melanocytes–the difference is in how much melanin is produced. The darkest Africans have visible concentrations of melanin even in the whites of their eyes and on their tongues. Melanin colors hair as well as skin, though it is the presence of a slightly different substance, called phaeomelanin, that causes “red” hair.

    Dr. Baker explains that blue eyes are not caused by a blue pigment but by the absence of pigment. Eyes appear to be blue for the same reason the edges of a snow bank may appear blue: red light and other long wave lengths pass through but shorter, bluer wave lengths are refracted and scattered, and some are reflected back towards the viewer.

    Light-skinned people are probably descended from dark-skinned people who migrated from the tropics. The skin of Europeans transmits three and a half times as much sunlight as the skin of Africans, and the ultraviolet rays convert ergosterol in the body into vitamin D. Dark-skinned people, whose skins are adapted to sunnier latitudes, may therefore get rickets–caused by vitamin D deficiency–if they live in cold climates.

    The third section of Race, in which Dr. Baker describes the myriad ways in which the races differ from each other physically is the most technical. It includes general descriptions of blood chemistry, physiology and skeletal structure, with a special emphasis on the characteristics of the skull. It introduces concepts like brachycephaly, paedomorphism, and the cranial index.

    It is useful for the reader to have had some training in physiology but it is not necessary. Even the most technical passages can usually be understood by a non-specialist who has paid close attention to earlier explanations, and Dr. Baker has set his most abstruse observations in smaller type as a signal to laymen that they may skip over them without much loss.

    A certain level of scientific detail is necessary here not merely because physiological differences between the races require a certain vocabulary. In this section Dr. Baker is at pains to explain the extent to which some races show the traits of primitiveness–the retention into the modern era of features possessed by our remote ancestors–and paedomorphy–the retention as adults of traits commonly associated with children.

    For example, it is indisputable that Australids are more primitive than other races. Like Pithecanthropus, their teeth and lower jaws are strikingly large, and their skulls are twice as thick as those of any other race. The forehead recedes sharply, and the brow ridges are so well developed as to be reminiscent of Pithecanthropus and of the larger apes. The brain is only about 85 percent the size of that of Europids and the back part has lunate folds not found in other races but similar to those in the brains of orang-utans. Likewise, the nasal aperture is similar, in some respects, to that of the orang-utan.

    The Bushmen, or Sanids, show equally remarkable evidence of paedomorphy. Their very small size–males are often no taller than 4’7″ or 4’9″–is the most obviously juvenile characteristic retained by adults. Their skulls are notably short and squat like those of a Europid infant and their eyes are set wide apart like a new-born’s. The facial and body hair of both sexes is very weakly developed and reminiscent of children. Among males, the scrotum is like that of a pre-adolescent: so small and tightly drawn up that one might think only one testicle had descended.

    As for Negrids, aside from a brain that is very slightly smaller than that of Europids and Sinids (North Asians), Dr. Baker finds no characteristics that could be called either primitive or paedomorphous. Negrids differ in blood chemistry from other races, and have broader shoulders and thinner calves. Certain tribes, such as the Hottentot, show extreme steatopygia or enlarged buttocks. In some cases the posterior extends horizontally, almost like a shelf.

    Francis Galton, who travelled among the Hottentot in 1850 and 1851, wrote of one such woman that he was “perfectly aghast at her development.” He wanted to measure her dimensions but could not bring himself to ask her permission to do so. Instead, he took observations through his sextant and, he says, “worked out the results by trigonometry and logarithms.”

    Equal or Unequal?

    The question of whether Africans are, on average, equal in intelligence to whites is important both in the United States and in Britain. Dr. Baker therefore devotes considerable space to 19th-century accounts of African societies before they came into sustained contact with foreigners. This is the only sure way to know how far they had been able to advance without outside influence.

    Every explorer found a remarkable poverty of development. No black African society had a written language or a calendar. None used the wheel or practiced joinery or built multi-story buildings. Iron smelting was common but no black Africans built what could be called a mechanical device, even one so simple as a hinge. Africans apparently tamed no animals themselves but received already-domesticated dogs and cattle from north of the Sahara. None used any beast of burden, despite the presence of large mammals that could have been tamed.

    Although African societies are today described as having rich oral histories, this was by no means universal. A few tribes did have men who could recite the histories of their kings, but many were completely ignorant of the past. The Ovaherero tribe, for example, kept no count of years at all.

    Slavery and polygamy were widespread. Arbitrary execution of subjects by rulers or wives by husbands was common. A few tribes ate human flesh though even some of their own members seem to have rejected this custom. Some coastal natives, seeing slaves being fed before being loaded onto ships for export, believed that Europeans intended to eat them.

    Some people have argued that the reason Africans showed such poor development was that the effort to maintain life was too great to permit the leisure for advancement. On the contrary, the missionary and explorer, David Livingstone, found that some parts of the continent were a veritable paradise:

    “To one who has observed the hard toil of the poor in old civilized countries, the state in which the inhabitants here live is one of glorious ease. . . . Food abounds, and very little labour is required for its cultivation; the soil is so rich that no manure is required.”

    Although Dr. Baker does not pursue this idea very far, he suggests that it was the very ease of life in Africa that kept high intelligence from being as necessary for survival as it was in harsher climates.

    In the concluding section of Race, Dr. Baker draws the only conclusions that the data will permit: Just as they differ in biology, the races differ in their mental traits. They are not equally intelligent or capable of building civilized societies. Dr. Baker reviews the literature on mental testing and on the heritability of intelligence and finds that it only confirms his conclusions.

    After setting out an interesting set of criteria for genuine civilization he finds that the first people to achieve it were the Sumerians of the fourth millennium B.C. Physically, it is likely that they were more closely related to the Kurds than to any other present people. Europids and Sinids have also created genuine civilizations, but Negrids and Australids have not.

    Dr. Baker puts the Maya of Central America in a category of their own. Their astronomy and mathematics were extremely advanced and were at one time the most sophisticated in the world. They built great cities and administered large territories. However, Dr. Baker hesitates to call them genuinely civilized for several reasons: they did not use the wheel or use commercial weights, their written language was poorly developed and their religion was a mass of superstitions that were often the basis for torture, human sacrifice, and mass slaughter.

    A Mountain of Evidence

    Race is a veritable mountain of evidence, all of which can lead only to the conclusion that the races differ in ability. Nevertheless, Dr. Baker is strictly the scientist. He draws no further conclusions and makes no suggestions about social policy. There is no doubt in his mind that current orthodoxy on this subject is absurd, but he limits his exegesis to the interpretation of data.

    In its realm, however, Race is a magisterial work to which justice cannot be done in a review. It is probably the single most ambitious and comprehensive volume on the subject ever attempted, and is surely without peer in its treatment of the physical differences that distinguish races. It is not an easy book — Dr. Baker does not address himself to dullards or dilettantes — but in these blighted times it is a stroke of astonishing good fortune that a man of his immense learning and ability should have chosen to take up a position on the unpopular but truthful side of “the ethnic problem.”

  19. Jew-Dar on October 31st, 2008 7:49 pm

    The Black Man’s Gift to Portugal
    By: Ray Smith

    We have all heard racial integration defended and advocated on the grounds that we have deprived our country of the benefit of the talents and abilities of the Negroes – that the Negroes have a positive contribution to make and we have failed to take advantage of it. Because of our irrational prejudice against the Negroes, we have excluded them from full participation in American society and, we are told, this is America’s loss.

    The Lesson of History

    In view of the fact that we are now being forced to integrate with the Negroes and grant them equal participation, it might be instructive to look at other countries which have integrated with Negroes in the past to see what the Negroes gave them. What is the historical evidence?

    There is a wealth of material here for study in such places as Haiti, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Brazil, etc., but the nearest parallel to the United States today is Portugal in the 16th century.

    It may come as a surprise to hear of the Negroes’ role in the history of Portugal, for in spite of all the emphasis on “Black studies” in our schools, no one seems to talk about the Blacks’ contribution to Portugal – neither the Portuguese, the Blacks, nor our modern historians who are rewriting our history books to make the Negroes look good. It takes considerable digging in books written before our modern era of forced integration to uncover the story of Portugal.

    Poets and Explorers

    By the middle of the 16th century, Portugal had risen to a position analogous to that of the United States today. Portugal was the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world, with a large empire and colonies in Asia, Africa and America. The Portuguese people were, like the Elizabethans in England, poets and explorers, a race of highly civilized, imaginative, intelligent, and daring people. They showed great potential and had already made important contributions to the Renaissance. But, unlike England and other European countries, Portugal had a large and rapidly growing Negro population and, at the same time, its white population was declining.

    Portugal began the Negro slave trade after encountering Negroes in its explorations and forays into Africa. Portugal brought the first Black slaves to Lisbon in 1441, and they continued to be imported in such numbers that by 1550, the population of Portugal was 10 percent Negro (the U.S. is 13-14 percent Negro today).

    Defilement of the Blood

    There was no taboo or injunction against sexual relations with the Negroes, and the Negroes blood soon became assimilated into the general population through miscegenation, so that today there are no Negroes, as such, in Portugal. The present-day population of Portugal is described by the New York Times Encyclopedic Almanac, 1971, as follows: “Ethnic Composition: The people are a mixture of various ethnic strains, including Celtic, Arab, Berber, Phoenician, Carthaginian, Lusitanian, and other racial influences. The present population is one of the most homogeneous in Europe, with no national minorities.” (Note that the Negro strain is not listed by the New York Times).

    What you can see in Portugal today is the product of uniform, non-selective mixing of the 10 percent Negroes and 90 percent Whites into one homogeneous whole. In effect, it is a new race – a race that has stagnated in apathy and produced virtually nothing in the last 400 years.

    The Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed., 1911, in its article on Portugal states, “The Portuguese intermarried freely with their slaves, and this infusion of alien blood profoundly modified the character and physique of the nation. It may be said without exaggeration that the Portuguese of the ‘age of discoveries’ and the Portuguese of the 17th and later centuries were two different races.”

    People Without a Future

    The contribution of this new race to civilization in terms of literature, art, music, philosophy, science, etc. has been practically nothing. Portugal today is the most backwards country in Europe. The illiteracy rate is 38 percent (in the U.S., 2.2 percent, Japan, 1.0 percent). The infant mortality rate in Portugal is 59.2 per 1000 births (in Sweden, 12.9 percent, U.S., 20.7 percent, France, 20.4 percent). The workers wages are the lowest in Western Europe, the equivalent of a little more than $2.00 a day.

    Portugal is a forgotten land – bypassed by the tourists and shunned by the scholars. It is a sad country, known mainly for its plaintive, mournful fado music – nostalgic music that looks to the past and sees no future.

    Portugal and America

    In spite of the close similarity between the situation of Portugal in the 1550′s and the United States today, we cannot predict that the outcome of our racial integration with Negroes will be exactly the same. The historical significance, however, is that any country, society, or group which has integrated to any appreciable extent with the Negroes has suffered drastically in its ability to maintain a civilized standard of living and its ability to compete with others. There is no evidence that any other country ever gained anything from integration with Negroes.

    It should be pointed out that the Negro-White ratio, 1:9, in Portugal in the 1550′s does not represent the final percentage of Negro genes, for the Negro element was rapidly increasing while the White element was declining. The male Whites were leaving Portugal in large numbers – sailing, settling in the colonies, and marrying native women (the government encouraged this). Most of the Negro slaves brought to Portugal were adult males. The population was thus unbalanced – an excess of White women and Negro males, and a shortage of White men. Chronicles of the era relate that Portuguese women kept Negro slaves as “pets”. They also married them.

    The situation in the U.S. today is not too different. The radical-chic Whites have their Black pets.

    Our percentage of the Negro element today does not represent the final amalgam. The Negro birth rate is almost twice as high as that of the Whites. There is no White population explosion in America, or anywhere in the world. It is all colored. The colored woman has the children; the White women are on the pill or have abortions.

    What the final amalgam in America will be we can not say, but if the present trends continue, the Negro element will be much more than 14 percent.

    Why Did Portugal Integrate?

    The British, French, Dutch, Spanish, and Portuguese all engaged in the Negro slave trade, but only Portugal brought them to their own country. The question arises – why did Portugal so willingly accept racial integration with Negroes while other European countries kept the Negroes out and maintained their racial integrity? What was the climate of opinion, the current ideology, teaching, or propaganda that led the Portuguese to depart from the behavior of the other countries? What was the difference about Portugal?

    You will not find the answer to these questions in our modern history books and recently published encyclopedias, for the whole subject of the decline has become taboo. You will have to dig into older sources and discover your own answers.

    You might also ask yourself why America is accepting racial integration while most of the rest of the world is “racist.” Why are we different?

    The Role of the Jew

    One significant difference in Portugal before its fall in the 16th century was that it had become a haven for Jews. For several centuries, the Jews had more wealth, influence, and more power in Portugal than in any other European country. In 1497, at Spain’s request, the Jews were asked to leave Portugal or be converted. Most of them became normal Christians and remained.

    However, by 1550 many of the Jews were voluntarily leaving. They saw the writing on the wall. The Encyclopedia Britannica (edition of 1885) notes that “even observers like the Dutchman Cleynarts saw that, in spite of all its wealth and seeming prosperity, the kingdom of Portugal was rotten at the core and could not last.”

    America has also served as a haven for the Jews. The Jews in America today have risen to a greater position of power, wealth, and influence than they have ever had in any other country. They dominate the newspapers, book publishing, television and radio, movies, universities – all of the educational media, as well as the commercial life of the country.

    The Jews have always proselytized for racial integration – in Portugal, America, or in whatever country they have been, for without such a climate of tolerance of alien races, they themselves, would not be accepted. It has, therefore, been in the Jews’ interest to suppress evidence which would lead people to reject alien races.

    History Rewritten

    Our encyclopedias and history books have been purged and rewritten. If you look up Portugal in the 1970 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, you will not find anything about the role of the Negroes and Jews in the history of Portugal, or anything about the decline and fall of Portugal.

    The Jews are briefly mentioned among others who “exerted various influences over the territory which in the 13th century acquired the frontiers of modern Portugal.” There is no elaboration of what this influence was.

    The Negroes have been eliminated entirely. They are not listed with the other ethnic groups in the ancestry of the Portuguese people. In the entire 15-page article, there is no clue that Negroes were ever present in Portugal or that they had any role or influence in Portuguese history.

    The 1970 edition of the Encyclopedia Americana also makes no mention of the presence of Negroes in Portugal.

    In all these sources you find “facts,” i.e., names and dates, but with no meaning and no indication of what actually happened or why. However, if you can manage to find some older sources, you can learn a great deal about the history of Portugal.

    The article on Portugal in the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica contains more real information than you can get in reading a hundred history books of more recent vintage. From our modern point of view, this article would probably be called “racist,” but the point is that the presence and activities of the Negroes and Jews are recorded. The information is there, and you can draw your own conclusions. The article is actually pro-Jewish. There is also a scholarly analysis of the factors in the decline and fall of Portugal, with the author tending to blame the Inquisition, the Jesuits, and anti-Semitism. However, neither his conclusions nor his bias prevents him from including factors or information which might lead the reader to a different conclusion.

    Our modern scholars and authorities eliminate information which might lead the reader to the “wrong” conclusion.

    Suppressing the Evidence

    The 1964 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica still briefly lists the Negroes and Jews, along with others, as Portuguese racial elements, but with no details or elaborations. By 1966, the Negroes have vanished completely.

    Now, what has happened between 1911 and 1966 that makes us purge and rewrite history in such a way? Have we decided that race no longer is, or ever was, a factor in history? This cannot be, since “Black Studies” are flourishing at our universities. Historians are supposedly trying hard to discover all they can about the role of the Negroes in history.

    In a trial, a lawyer tries to suppress evidence that would be damaging to his client. He tries to prevent this evidence from reaching the jury. Our modern historians and scholars are trying to suppress evidence. The Negro is their client. We are the jury – and we must not reach the “wrong” verdict.

    This, of course, reveals what the liberal establishment really thinks of Negroes – that they are inferior and must be protected. The evidence must be suppressed. The New York Times, et al., is a lawyer, well paid, who knows his client “did it,” but tried to get him off.

    Liberals in the United States often became very self-righteous and superior when the former Soviet Union purged and rewrote its encyclopedias, eliminating from its history current undesirables and making them “unpersons.” We ridicule their lack of objectivity and irrational scholarship.

    But we do exactly the same thing when we rewrite history of Portugal and make “unpersons” of the Negroes (and Jews). In terms of rewriting and deliberately falsifying history, we are much closer to Orwell’s 1984 than the Soviet Union ever was. Big Brother protects us from dangerous knowledge.

    Quo Vadis, Aryan Man

    There is a great need for the American people to know what happened in Portugal in the 16th century, for we are repeating their experience. We are in the same predicament, at the same juncture, at the same crossroads in history. There is an amazing similarity between our situation today and Portugal’s in the 1500′s. Shall we take the same road?

    Travelers from other European countries were amazed to see so many Negroes in 16th-century Lisbon, as are travelers today in Washington, D.C. Our own capital is a large percentage Black, and, as was the case in Lisbon, the Negroes do all the manual labor and service jobs. The 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica comments, “While the country was being drained of its best citizens, hordes of slaves were imported to fill the vacancies, especially into the southern provinces. Manual labor was thus discredited; the peasants sold their farms and emigrated or flocked to the towns; and small holdings were merged into vast estates.”

    Manual labor has been “discredited” for many White people these days, and Negroes fill these jobs. We are “too good” for it.

    Americans Alienated

    The American people are also leaving the land and flocking to the cities or metropolitan areas, and our small farms have been replaced by huge, mechanized farms.

    If we had any colonies, many American men would gladly emigrate to them. Many are leaving anyway for Canada, Australia, and Europe. Those who remain feel rootless and displaced – from their jobs, their country, and even their families. It is difficult to feel any sense of belonging to what America has become today.

    Stout Hearts – and Pure Blood

    In analyzing the catastrophe which befell Portugal, the historian H. Morse Stephens (in his book, Portugal, written in 1891) concludes:

    “they [the Portuguese] were to produce great captains and writers, and were able to become the wealthiest nation in Europe. But that same sixteenth century was to see the Portuguese power sink, and the independence, won by Alfonso Henriques and maintained by John the Great, vanish away; it was to see Portugal, which had been one of the greatest nations of its time, decline in fame, and become a mere province of Spain. Hand in hand with increased wealth came corruption and depopulation, and within a single century after the epoch-making voyage of Vasco da Gama, the Portuguese people, tamed by the Inquisition, were to show no sign of their former hardihood. This is the lesson that the story of Portugal in the sixteenth century teaches, that the greatness of a nation depends not upon its wealth and commercial prosperity, but upon the thews and sinews and the stout hearts of its people.”

    This is rather old-fashioned language, but what Stephens is saying is that, by the end of the 16th century, the quality of the people was lacking. Other European nations suffered military defeat, but continued to grow and develop. Portugal stopped dead in its tracks. It had nothing to build on. Portugal can now only look nostalgically to the past. We Americans must use this information as insight into our future. It is too late to save the White Aryan people of Portugal, but we must save ourselves.

    Source:
    The Best of Attack and National Vanguard Tabloid
    Ref: Issue No. 6, 1971

  20. roscoe on October 31st, 2008 9:26 pm

    It is the DESTRUTCTION of INQ that is the primary reason for the decline of the Portugese nation– not the other way around.

  21. roscoe on October 31st, 2008 9:31 pm

    Oct 31, 1793–execution of the Gironde== watch out Republicans.

    Let us all pray for the victims of ritual sacrifices that will take place on this Halloween that has been transformed from a Catholic day of fasting to a Satanic holiday.

    These cerimonies will be especially gruesome tonight as the witches will pull out all the stops in order to conjure up a Barky in the White House.

  22. maurice on October 31st, 2008 11:44 pm

    interesting theory about Portugal from JewDar but…

    Some “revisionism” on this theory is needed as I believe that the main reason of Portugal decline was due to after 16th century we had protestantism allied to judaism against the “Old Roman Order”, that means against the Catholic countries (the old enemy and also revenge to Jewish expulsions, Inquisition, etc.). An maybe Portugal was a bad example to a political correct world after WWII, with the probably good christian dictatorship of Salazar that stayed in power until the 70′s.

    With this idea of considering only the race and genetics, who benefits? “Cui Bono?” Maybe helps the “divide et impera” agenda? Imagine how many theories we can create with all these barbaric invasions from east in white europe…

    Let’s try to do some logic revisionism for little (once great…)Portugal.

  23. maurice on November 1st, 2008 12:01 am

    Here some research about reasons why Portugal (and Spain) were defeated:

    The implementation of the Talmudic New World Order was clearly seen and accurately predicted in the 18th Century by Benjamin Franklin: “I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.”

    “In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.”

    biblebelievers.org.au/proof.htm

    There is a curious fact to be noted in connection with the persecution and consequent wanderings of the Jews about Europe and that is: wherever they wandered, the center of business seemed to go with them. When the Jews were free in Spain, there was the world’s gold center. When Spain drove out the Jews, Spain lost financial leadership and has never regained it. Students of the economic history of Europe have always been puzzled to discover why the center of trade should have shifted from Spain, Portugal and Italy, up to the northern countries of Holland, Germany, and England. They have sought for the cause in many things, but none has proved completely explanatory. When, however, it is known that the change was coincident with the expulsion of the Jews from the South and their flight to the North, when it is known that upon the Jews’ arrival the northern countries began a commercial life which has flourished until our day, the explanation does not seem difficult. Time and again it has proved to be the fact that when the Jews were forced to move, the center of the world’s precious metals moved with them.

    fourwinds10.com/resources/uploads/pdf/07C-10-30-03-ford-the-international-jew.pdf

    From the end of the 16th century to the middle of the 17th, Portugal was under the rule of a Spanish king, following a dynastic crisis at home. This, along with consistent attacks by the British and Dutch on their territories abroad, led to a decline in the power of the Portuguese Empire. By the 18th century Portuguese strength had definitely waned, and although the monarchy had been restored, Portugal would never regain its former position in Europe.

    wisegeek.com/what-should-i-know-about-portugal.htm

    At the end of the 16th century, England and the Netherlands began to challenge Portugal’s monopoly of trade with Asia, forming private joint-stock companies to finance the voyages – the English (later British) and Dutch East India Companies, chartered in 1600 and 1602 respectively.

    (mostly pirates, of course…, and who were behind these “companies” you can bet…)

    search.com/reference/British_Empire

    At the beginning of the 17th century the forces of Catholic Spain and Portugal were in opposition to those of Protestant Holland and England, often resulting in open warfare in Europe and in their possessions in Asia. The Dutch first attempted to trade with China in 1601 but were rebuffed by the Chinese authorities, who were already engaged in trade with the Portuguese at Macao.

    taiwandna.com/DutchPage.htm

    Many Jewish pirates came from families of refugees who had been expelled by Spain and Portugal. They took to piracy as part of a strategy of revenge on the Iberian powers (though lining their pockets with Spanish doubloons was no doubt also a motive). Many of these pirates mixed traditional Jewish lifestyles with their exploits on the high seas.

    Jewish refugees from Portugal first settled in Jamaica in 1511, probably originally as sugar growers, and some took up piracy. The British, led by Admiral William Penn (the father of the William Penn who established Philadelphia), took over the island from the Spanish in 1655, reportedly with assistance from local Jews and Marranos (crypto-Jews), all of whom were allowed to remain.
    (…) Henriques set up his own pirate “Treasure Island” on a deserted island off the Brazilian coast on which Jews could openly practice their religion. (He also served as adviser to Henry Morgan, perhaps the most famous pirate of all time; Errol Flynn played Morgan in the movie “Captain Blood.”) After the recapture of Brazil by Portugal in 1654, some of these Jews would sail off to set up a brand new Jewish community in a place called New Amsterdam, now known as New York.

    jewishpress.com/printArticle.cfm?contentid=36634

    (so we see now to whom the english were allied…)

  24. New America on November 1st, 2008 12:43 am

    in reply to Jew-Dar:

    you wrote:

    Peter has good shows and needs to keep interviewing different guests every week. neo-American media like VOR will be growing in bounds in the coming months, please capitalize on this opportunity. WN while a educational perspective and ideology is to exclusive to catch on in mainstream America. Any serious coming movement in opposition to the jew-world-order forces of shit system of hate and genocide against all non-jews (primarily to European American decended peoples) will have to be something of the Patriot/Ron Paul/conservative/the thinking left/steal from the neo-cons right/White Nationalists/ and Patriot Americans from different cultures. But in order for any kind of new America Patriot movent to have real substance & energy it has to accept and use what the WN bring to the table.

    in reply:
    WHAT “American “Patriot Movement’” are you talking about?

    They consider us to be their greatest enemy, internally, after good old, nebulois “ZOG.”

    Fortunately, they are as impotent, today, as they have been for the last, oh, generation or so.

    Except when it came time to get rid of Peter Schaenk, and anyone else who might question their values and beliefs.

    In THAT case, they work with awesome speed, and efficiency.

    If they were half the threat to our Racial Enemies that they are to US, then they would be worthy of respect.

    Their pathetic, trite fantasies – taking on the most powerful Army the world has ever seen with Granpa’s old squirrel rifle and a rebuilt ’68 Chevy NOVA – are simply the mirror image of their ineffectiveness, indeed, their impotence, in the Real World.

    you wrote:

    No truth movement that is in the interests of Western Civilization can do without a Nazi subculture. B/C the Nazis combined most of the strong points of western culture and mysticism in the National Socialist movements. Denying Nazism is deneying the history and evolution of our race. Not saying to dress or always show the symbols, but do not cowar or panic when Jews link white perspective to Nazis. The Jews are very powerful because the study in detail and adopt lots of Nazi (national socialist) culture. Does that make sense?

    in reply:
    No, this does not make any sense.

    What I THINK you meant to say is that a Culture that fosters the best of us, in the best possible manner – a Culture that consciously pursues goals of “Ever Better” for their Race, is a worthy goal, indeed.

    That is, by definition, an Elitist Culture, and THAT is what we should try to Create.

    Only the Western Soul can Create; THAT is what it is always TRYING to do, and THAT is the Flame to which the Other Races move, trying to be in, and of, such a social order.

    you wrote:

    Some other observations, Peter seems to like to attack all efforts of Euro-American media. He puts a lot of energy into, and has a viciousnesss in his voice when bad mouthing white activist efforts. You never hear him say anything bad about or condeming about white trash disease spreading, 3rd world spreading wigger whores. Something about the baby boomer generation is real tolerant and accepting of trash females that do this….?

    in reply:
    Respectfully, the (nominally) “Euro-American” media you describe has done all of that, and has had no good results from any of it.

    Why follow the examples of Failure?

    Why not do Better?

    As well, remember that, for all practical purposes. the (nominally) “Euro-American” media you refer to are little better than False Flags, designed to keep us chasing our tales like helpless little puppies.

    Look at the WN example of David Lane; he went looking for this White Nationalist Social Order he saw in the magazines, and heard about from Sky God William Pierce.

    IT WAS NOT THERE.

    He died for his folly, for trusting the “Euro-American Media” of his day.

    Incidentally, did you know Robert Mathews left the National Alliance?

    Can you guess why Robert Mathews, a natural leader, a natural Alpha Male, would leave the organization formed by Sky God William Pierce?

    I’ll bet it was because he saw it was a dead end, for Racial development.

    I’ll bet, further, that if he and Lane were around today, they would do things a lot differently, and with MUCH greater effectiveness.

    That is what people like Peter Schaenk, the VOR people, Bob Witaker, VNN’s Socrates, Tom Metzger, Edgar Steele, and precious few others, are trying to do.

    We should look to them, and turn our backs on the False Flag “Euro-American” media.

    you wrote:

    I would also recommend Peter read “Seige” by James Mason. A PDF file of the book can be found somewhere at VNNforum.com. Everything under the sun has been tried regarding trying to get freedom for humans from the JEWS. This was written in teh 70’s & 80’s. So while Peter complains about people in the anti-Jew World Order media saying a cuss word on a message board, JEWS are making Nigger shit ape monkey on white trash diseased drug wog meat whore GANG RAPE porno movies.

    in reply:
    SIEGE was also done as audio by Geoff Beck, who was also formerly of VNN, and did a great monologue series called “The Truth Is No Defense.” SIEGE as read by Beck might be available under the VNN Archives.

    Geoff Beck. Another great Light of the White Nationalist Movement, who has left the “Euro-American” media altogether.

    He hasn’t returned.

    Wonder why?

    I don’t.

    you wrote:

    I would also recommend Peter read the books of “Creativity” written by Ben Klassen. These are excellent and enlightening books about the Jews and Christianity (these books are life changing if you read them). The Jews put Matt Hale in prison for 40 years! Before his imprisonment the World Church of the Creator wanted to distribute 10 million books to the American public, this shows you how much this literature was a threat to JEWfaggotZOG forces of Evil and Shit. PDF files of these books can be found on the internet somewhere.

    in reply:
    Klassen is dead, and Hale is as good as dead, so far as we are concerned,

    A GOOD version of the Bible, with all of the Judaic influence removed, is the Anointed Standard Translation of the New Testament, by Pastor V. S. Herrell, and the people at the christianseparatist website.

    You make the mistake a lot of us have made; you think if you can just get people to see what you are trying to show them, they will suddenly Awaken, and sign up with us.

    No.

    Pierce got a lot right, and one of the things he knew best was this:

    His target was between one and three percent of the population. If he got to them, everything would tend to move forward fairly easily.

    He was simply too optimistic about our Racial Brethren, for now.

    And that’s fine.

    What YOU can do is be an Example of what we all COULD be, and SHOULD Become.

    THAT is Leadership.

    you wrote:

    Although there are flaws in this relegion for whites there is good information and evidence of the destruction of Christianity to Euro raced peoples. I think Chrisianity should be used for the Euro Race’s benifit, but not while it is led by sick degenerate pedophiles, fags, jews, sick liberals, tolerators of nigger fucking trash whores, etc. I was raised to believe in Christianity and turned away for awhile after reading these books, but have come to realize Christianity will be important to controlling the masses and fighting the Jews. Appollian or something like that posts different places and can explain why Christianity is important in fighting the Jews better.

    in reply:
    We can not change ANYONE, save by our Examples.

    Institutional Christianity will continue to act in direct contravention to the Spirit of Christ, as long as it can.

    So, let’s not worry about what they are doing that is Wrong; let’s focus on what we can do that is Right.

    you wrote:

    And yes Peter, people will use words to show the hate that so many sick evil people in Amerikwa deserve. Kwans need a punch to the face and a kick in the teeth more than they need talking to. Most of these shit bag wigger kwan goys are beyond the point of talking to. So don’t thinking that a little cussing here and there makes a difference. Most kwans don’t read, much less media on the internet they don’t even know about.

    in reply:
    Exactly so.

    you wrote:

    Physical media to bring people to the internet is what jew-ZOG fears

    .

    in reply:
    No.

    VNN tried with “The Aryan Alternative” newspaper, and it all came to nothing.

    Print media is largely dead, for now, and for the foreseeable future.

    you wrote:

    They went after Matt Hale b/c they were getting the word out,…

    in reply:
    No.

    “They” went after Matt Hale more as an exercise than anything else.

    Hale was stupid, in that he sought to take on Real Power in a clumsy, foolish, ineffective and impotent manner.

    Steele was right about Hale.

    It would be good for one and all to go to Steele’s website and download his EXCELLENT mp3 called “Let’s Get Small.”

    You should do this immediately.

    Let’s repeat, for the folks at home:

    Hale was stupid, and, as a result of his stupidity, will spend the rest of his life in a Federal Supermax.

    What kind of “Leadership” is that?

    you wrote:

    …they went after, they went after the National Alliance when they were distributing 100s of thousands of flyers,…

    in reply:
    Spare me.

    All of the NA’s flyer drops only had the effect of legitimizing their opposition, who went on the Lamestream Media and asked for funds to fight “the Haters who did this horrible thing.”

    Incidentally, the National Alliance was so ineptly managed that it did more harm to legitimate White Nationalist Racial Aspirations than it did good, outside of the efforts of Kevin Alfred Strom’s American Dissident Voices broadcasts, which he did for, and with, Pierce.

    Mathews left for a reason.

    What do you suppose that “reason” was?

    I await your reply to that question.

    you wrote:

    … (they went after) Craig Cobb when he distributed 10s of thousands of Aryan Alternative newspapers,…

    in reply:
    No, they didn’t.

    “The Aryan Alternative” failed as a social communications tool.

    “They” didn’t have to do ANYTHING, other than let market forces run their natural course.

    you wrote:

    …they went after PanzerFaust records when they were passing out 100,000 CD samplers (project school yard),…

    in reply:
    And the SMART GUY at Panzerfaust, Brian Calvert, did a great job of defending this perfectly legal distribution.

    Again, what has come of this, other than, hopefully, support for Mr. Calvert?

    you wrote:

    ….they went after Yankee Jim when his blog was seen by 100,000 people in the jew infested Catskill area in only a couple months,…

    in reply:
    “They” didn’t seem to have much of an effect on Yankee Jim, particularly compared to his wife…

    I am bitterly angry at the waste of life his death symbolizes, when he could have pretty much dropped everything, moved to Kalispell, Montana, and played the music he loved in a bar among friends who appreciated him.

    you wrote:

    …now they went after Bill White when his magazine had a print of 10-20 thousand copies.

    in reply:
    I have enormous respect for the talents, abilities, and example Bill White displayed.

    If I could see a direct positive relationship between his magazine distribution and membership in his organization, I would be all the more impressed.

    Steele’s analysis of White’s situation seems remarkably cogent.

    We should all LEARN from it.

    you wrote:

    Keep in mind what JEW-ZOG really fears. Legal Media protected by the 1st Amendment.

    in reply:
    Right now, they only fear ONE thing, and that is an effective, comprehensive, Cultural Response to them based on Christianity.

    This is a masterful point Peter has made in the past, and it deserves repeating:

    “THEY” ONLY FEAR CHRISTIANITY, AND THE WHITE RACE FOLLOWING CHRISTIANITY.

    THAT is what they will ALWAYS attack, and they will spare no effort to do so, for THAT is the ONE force that leads where they can not follow.

  25. maurice on November 1st, 2008 1:04 am

    New America, I can’ t read your post on left margin.

  26. roscoe on November 1st, 2008 2:10 am

    Not only Barbarian invasions from the east maurice but Shankus has always been clear about how Barbarians from the north had to be converted–at timed forcibly=== at least they WERE converted.. In fact a Barbarian can come from any direction and even be in Rome itself.

  27. roscoe on November 1st, 2008 2:17 am

    New America–I don’t know Witikar and Socrates but where did you ever get the idea that Terrible Tommy is in league with Shankus???

  28. roscoe on November 1st, 2008 2:19 am

    Terrible Tommy is fodder for Wally George and the like.

  29. roscoe on November 1st, 2008 2:21 am

    Drudge has Mc Cain by 1

  30. roscoe on November 1st, 2008 2:26 am

    Sen Mc Carthy is dead.

  31. New America on November 1st, 2008 2:38 am

    in reply to maurice:

    Nothing I can do about that; using IE or what?

  32. New America on November 1st, 2008 2:50 am

    in reply to Roscoe:

    One, Socrates runs VNN’s “Main Page”/the blog.

    Two, Bob Whitaker is a brilliant student of politics, and was interviewed by Peter a little while back. His site is Whitakeronline dot org.

    As for Terrible Tommy Metzger, different day, different man.

    Metzger has shifted his philosophy dramatically, and reflects a sort of native version of National Socialism that Jack London would have been right at home with.

    Metzger has the maturity to recognize several painful truths, which, at age 70, he has nothing to lose in trying to get them out there.

    His first Insight is right out of Burnhams’s “Suicide of the West”: much of what is wrong is what we ALLOWED to happen.

    His second Insight is out of systems ecology:

    Parasites (Jews, illegals, etc.) are only doing what they do; they thrive in the absence of Life, and simply “clean up” the dead.

    In short, whereas Movement Past blamed the Jews, to no avail, Metzger says their existence in a place is proof the place is dying.

    He is not too far from Peter in this.

    Peter recognized the Patriarchal, Power Position:

    “Instead of BLAMING the Jews, the illegals, the blacks, the whatever, why not do what we would do IN THE ABSENCE of these groups?”

    THAT is the correct answer, for that is a path of power, and effectiveness.

    I am not saying ignore these groups, not at all, as they are our eternal Racial Enemies.

    I AM saying that we should be doing a lot more than we are, and can do so easily, with a clear view of Racial Consciousness as an organizing principle for our social orders.

    When are we most united as a people, particularly spiritually?

    In church, on Sunday.

    Where are our Families united in common purpose?

    In church, on Sunday.

    What is THE most segregated place in America?

    Church, on Sunday.

    Where don’t our Racial Enemies want us to be?

    Church, on Sunday.

    We are so wasteful of our unique Talents, if we just shift them into the proper direction, a step at a time, we will arrive in a much better place.

    Now would be an excellent time to start.

  33. roscoe on November 1st, 2008 3:35 am

    Church is a very vague word.

    Infallible Constitution of the Roman Church

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM#4 and #6

    I don’t know how Whitaker can be a ‘brilliant student of politics’

    And what you mean by ‘our racial enemies’ is probably anyone who doesn’t follow the judaic Hitler or his commie foils Roosenvelt and Stalin.

    While Roman Cath philosophy is certainly opposed to forced race mixing, there are no ‘eternal racial enemies’ so to speak.

  34. Serg (from Russia) on November 1st, 2008 12:11 pm

    I respect Mr. Steele but I must say that he has a very distorted view of Russia. Russians are in the same plight as Americans. Even worse. Because communism left a horrible scar on the mentality of many Russians having made many of them non-white in their worldview.

    When I heard him say the things he said about Russia I was real shocked at the lack of knowledge about the state of affairs in Russia on the other side of the Atlantic.

    If any of you, who think that Russia can be of help as far as saving the White race is concerned, make a trip to Russia, you’ll reconsider your position regarding this topic.

  35. Wolf on November 1st, 2008 12:49 pm

    I like what Putin did by not intervening when White Russians took matters into their hands and expelled all those unsightly mud operated street vendors from Russian markets.

    About 200 people participated in a pogrom at a Moscow market on April 21, 2001. Ten people suffered various injuries as a result of the attack; most of them were vendors from Azerbaijan.

    That’s not something you’re likely to see in the Kwa.

  36. New America on November 1st, 2008 2:49 pm

    in reply to roscoe:

    1. “Church” means a meeting of a Christian community, and can include, but is not limited to, Institutional organizations, such as teh Mainline Protestants, to the ramshackle, small country churches that can not afford to affiliate with, say, the Southern Baptist Convention.

    2. Whitaker is far ahead of the rest of us; see the nationalsalvation dot net site for more details. One of my projects is to try to build a Primer of his thinking.

    3. Our Racial Enemies are, bluntly, all other Races; my particular focus is on the Jews, as they work consciously and consistently among us to undermine us – the only Race, with the only religion, that can do what they can never do.

    4. Team Ratzinger is the least of my concerns; I suspect the next Pope, that guy from Africa, will be the last Pope, and that’s just fine by me.

    We are too much the slaves of Institutions, and Institutional thinking – much of which was developed by Jews to support the Jewish Agenda of Racial Domination – by the Jews, of all life on Earth.

  37. New America on November 1st, 2008 2:54 pm

    in reply to Serg (from Russia)

    Nobody was happier than the Russian people when the Soviet Union fell apart, and I suspect – look at NASHI, for instane – Putin is doing all he can, in the framework he must work in, to restore New Russia to its rightful place as the Eurasian Hegemon, allied most closely with its European brothers from the Atlantic (and the Baltic!) to the Urals.

    I agree he has a way to go – don’t we all? – but he has done more for the West in the last decade than the West has done for itself, in the same time period.

    Speaking of the West under attack, DO wonder why the White Zimbabweans – those who remain – particularly those who are skilled in commercial farming, and their White South African counterparts – don’t just sell everything, and start over in Krasnodar, for example.

  38. Z.O.G. on November 1st, 2008 6:47 pm

    Hey, Edgar Steele, a.k.a. “New America”. I haven’t seen you acknowledge the glaring and obvious fact that at this point in history, Christianity has turned into nothing more than a social and political tool of the Jews.

    ;-)

  39. New America on November 2nd, 2008 6:22 pm

    in reply to Z.O.G.

    I have mentioned it peripherally – all of the Institutional “Christian” organizations are, in fact and in purpose, little more than “useful idiots” for the Jews, and, in fact, preach Judaism with a veneer of Christianity.

    That’s why my Bible is the Anointed Standard Version of the fine people at the christianseparatist website.

    “No Jews, Just Right.”

  40. New America on November 2nd, 2008 7:21 pm

    This show is much more important that many will see, because Steele addresses a critical issue that Peter addressed, peripherally, in the past.

    Peter noted this attorney came on RBN, and told people all of this “sovereign citizen” nonsense, and some people drew the conclusion that they did not need a driver’s license, or license tags, or insurance, on their car.

    One of the people Peter knew took the advice, and drove without license, tags, or insurance. Law enforcement pulled him over, and he told the police they had no say in his activities with a car, as he was a “sovereign citizen.”

    The police arrested him, towed his car, and he lost time from work and about 600 dollars in tow fees, AND he had to take the driver’s license exam AND get legal tags AND insurance, before he could get back on the road.

    Someone asked the attorney who gave her opinion about the “sovereign citizen” issue, and the attorney had a driver’s license, insurance, legal tags, the whole bit.

    Hmmmmm……

    This is a microcosm of a macrocosmic issue for the White Nationalists, and the macrocosmic issue is this:

    You can have all of the black letter law on your side you want, but the power of even the lowest of judges in our legal system far exceeds what you can imagine.

    You can have the most elaborate, and “legally” sound case you can imagine, with all manner of analysis and commentaries based on the Constitution, and the legality or illegality of this Amendment or that Amendment.

    Doesn’t matter.

    I heard one caller to Steele on Peter’s old show go on and on with various legal theories as to why something must be.

    Steele gave an answer worthy of Gerry Spence, saying, in effect:

    Even if all of what you say is true, none of it matters.

    Steele has his reasons for saying this, and they are better than mine.

    Mine are these:

    The Courts have been given damn near blanket personal immunity for their actions on the bench, because they know how it is going to be, one way or another, at the end of the day.

    What they say GOES, for now, and that is pretty much that.

    Words on paper and words on paper, and have the power of paper. Backed up by the enforcement power of the State, they have the power of the State,. which includes the power of taking your freedom – incarceration – or taking your life, the death penalty.

    I addressed Steele’s efforts on VNN, particularly regarding Matt Hale, in clean, straightforward terms.

    I noted people had been telling Edgar for years he should start something like the ACLU for White Nationalists, and they would certainly donate substantially to such an enterprise.

    Steele finally did, and received a grand total that made him ashamed to discuss it. It was less than we spent on coffee and doughnuts in a month, at my former employer.

    Years back, one of the old guys in our Legal section was talking with me about the late John Gotti, who recently passed away in the same Federal Supermax that is the tomb of Matt Hale. He was well respected, not only for his knowledge of black-letter law, but for how the legal system worked, from end to end, and from top to bottom, at all levels.

    He was critical of Gotti, not because Gotti was an evil man, but because Gotti was stupid. Evil people can be dealt with; stupdity has no cure.

    Gotti’s big mistake was, after he won his FIRST Federal trial, was to brag about how he would always win, and the Feds were a bunch of incompetents.

    THAT was his mistake.

    What he SHOULD have done was (1) thank the judge, for being fair, (2) thank the jury, for their favorable verdict, (3) acknowledge the skill of the US Attorney’s office, (4) tell one and all how good the USA’s were, and he never wanted to face them again, and, last and most important, (5) STFU and live a clean, quiet life.

    Not Gotti.

    And so, having all but called the US Attorney’s office and the FBI a bunch of fools, the FBI went AFTER him in ways and places he could not imagine….

    And he died, in a Federal Supermax, alone, and unmourned.

    Ever notice how many “Leaders” of the “Movement” called the FBI “Famous, But Incompetent?”

    Ever notice they are all – ALL – in Federal prison?

    We can all argue that The Establishment is soft, weak, and foolish, and we can laugh at its fat belly and slow motion all we want.

    Underneath, it is nothing but armor plate, and, in critical positions, some Really Smart People who know the First Rule of Governance is Survival, and THAT requires getting people to Do What You Say.

    That is why I want one and all to go to Steele’s website and download his mp3 of “Let’s Get Small.”

    In that way, we may be effective at what we do.

    Peter Schaenk made the smartest statement any of us has made, when he said the Jews took over the Institutions of this Nation, and thus, this Nation, without firing a shot, through controlling the words he hear and the pictures we see.

    That is the model we have to look towards for guidance in how to be effective.

  41. Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt on December 2nd, 2008 4:49 am

    I’ve despised Peter Shaenk ever since he censored me for bringing up where Alex Linder got his money — from TraitorGlenn Miller years ago. And I listened to this show, and what it was was simply edjewcated whiggers talking smack about their ‘wingnut’ followers of those who simply “go too far.” Why they are simply far to edjewcated to simply hate niggers for being niggers — they are not ‘racist.’ But the end all and be all of what they do is simply to moan their way like gentle-steers all the way down the chute to their personal slaughter house. They are so much better than the nuts that they hope will somehow save them in their hour of need. And having been there and seen that, they are like the suburban whigger militia generals who collaborated with the FBI in the summer of 1999 against the Christian Identity rural racist militias. The end result is that these suburban whigger militia generals pretty much were dead as organizations by the spring after Y2Kaos went bust.

    What ZOG fears, what niggers fear, what jews fear isn’t the civilized White man, but rather the White man who hates them and ZOGling whigger race traitors with a blind hate, Someone who would torture them and kill them all without a twinge of remorse. I listened with disbelief when both of them were yapping about the ‘wingnuts’ who hate all non-whites and how they are instinctive racists. Well Edgar, after you’ve castrated these naive racists by turning them into reading jewr bullshit into edjewcated castrated whiggers, who is going to kill all the niggers and jews so that you can live in a free-range ZOGling whiggerdumb without seeing nary a nigger or jew? Hmmmm?

    Do you want to pull a Pat Buchanan on us, who when his brigade members supported him went all the way to San Diego cut a deal with BoobDolt? Or denounced me for racism when I followed a Buchananite platform and was running for US Senate as a Reform Party Candidate. He cut a deal with Bush to choose a looney-toon she-coon to collect the $12.5 million in RP funds and to make his racist White male ex-followers vote for Bush. And now this whore is on the jewTube yapping about death of the West due to Mexican immigrunts. So yet the whore lived the paytriotic life and enjoyed the pleasures of sin foor some seasons.

    And now you are congradulating President ONigger in jewr latest post while I am suing ONigger and the State of Missouri for not letting me run for governor while confined to the NutHouse.

    You sound like a militia general circa 1999, far more scared of White Extremist nuts killing you for moderation than you are of jews and ZOG. And now you are engaged in a piss-fight with some young bull who changed your words for his own purposes. And you wonder what to do, somewhat plaintively. Let me tell you what to do: The kid is wrong but oh so right! If he could twist Thomas Jefferson to kill jews and niggers and then twist you so as to do the same thing then the only difference is that you are the only one whining about how your vanity has been hurt. You screw over that stupid but racially right kid and betray him to ZOG, then you will have something to worry about because you will be regarded as a traitor. Not feel like producing anything? Then sulk in your tent until not that you are needed, but that you have your own little vengeance to pursue like Patrocles.

    I got out a month ago by finally bonding out from 3 1/2 years on trumped up sodomy charges brought about by some pig saying that some therapist said that my retarded six-year-old grandson said I kissed his penis. And first they stole my grandchildren, and then they took my freedom and because I wanted to represent myself they put me in a maximum security NutHouse and doped me up but good. And it took 3 1/2 years of sheer resistance and some guile to where I am out today.

    And where was the bowel Movement? The part that was not in prison was the part that wants to go whigger! Including you, Edgar. When you gave me a copy of your book for review I told you that it was a good book to scare thousands of whiggers with and maybe get a few worthwhile people into the Movement with, but it was absolutely useless to the hard-core Resistance. I don’t recollect you using my review to sell some more books. By all means do what you do best as the whigger whimperer, but you should stop telling Bill White to not go balls to the wall right now.

    I’ve come to the realization that it is only absolute raw HATE which will save us now. I tell pigs and lawyers and jewdges and regime criminals that I intend to skin them alive and like Felix Dzerzhinsky will torture them into a confession, skin them alive and make them eat their own and their spawn’s testicles, rape their females to breed a new master race and use biological warfare against them. Why, just as I was suffering from Psychic Disorder Not Otherwise Specified, some made-up mental disease used to jail and dope dissidents, they were suffering from Piglice Testicle Eating Syndrome.

    Rule of Law comes not from YHWH. YHWH doesn’t care about whether degenerate Israelite whiggers destroy themselves. In fact he has placed a curse on such. Rule of Law comes from everyone, especially those in power understanding that the reason you do not torture is because it will come right back to you.

    So Bill White and Hal Turner are actually the real racial patriots. Fools, maybe. Patriots, absolutely. And they don’t need cowardly whiggers sitting in the cheap seats cheerleading for ZOG.

    There is a Great Tribulation coming, and unlike the jewdayo-Zionist delusion none will be craptured up to sit it out on Cloud 666. And it shall routinely mean that the vast majority of ZOGling whiggers shall die. And this racial, religious and class civil war shall likely continue until there is only 10-15 million Whites and not a single non-white left. YHWH placed the jew to plague the White Israelite so that Heaven will not be too crowded. And if in that war the dysfunctional CreaTards and One-Seedline CI/Babtist Hobbyist/New Covenant Cornholers die in that civil war, then so much the better!

    This bowel Movement is full of whiggers who claim they want to die for their cuntree and but a few White Men who are willing to kill non-whites and whigger race traitors because they have the guts and moral strength to admit that they simply hate niggers and jews. And when I hear you vapor on about us haters you sound just like them cuntree-club whigger supremacists who sold out Byron Beckworth who were racial soldiers who did your killing for you. What good are you paytriots who don’t want to get jewr dainty hands wet with blood? Are you not like Alex Linder at Topeka in 2004 who was scared of what he thought was a little jew 2/3 of his size and is only good for yelling ‘nigger, nigger, nigger, jew, jew, jew, when protected by 100 piglice?

    We don’t need frontmen like David Duke or Don Black or any other of the like. We need what you despise.

    Let me tell you what I seen at the NutHouse: I saw no White or even whigger so far gone that he didn’t consider himself far above any nigger or beaner or gook or jew. And I didn’t see a single nigger that didn’t think that whitey owed him forever. It didn’t matter how much they were doped up, no matter how much dope is applied, biology is everything.

    So Ed, do what you do best. Be an Episs-ul to the ZOGling whigger ass-clowns. Tell them that Obongo is going to take their guns and maybe even tell them it is because they are so willing to give up their nuts. And you herd them whiggers into a lather if you want. Take ‘em for all their whigger’s mites.

    But you don’t tell us to stop hating. You don’t tell us to show mercy. Back off from that dumb kid Delaney. Why the mean little bastard distilled jewr whigger pablum into 100-proof hate and you are scared of the little bastard and us wingnuts if you please. Like Covington in his white-flight escapist novels, touch him with the side of jewr jackboot. But back off from him. Don’t make yourself into a traitor. These people are wolves and wolves don’t prod easy.

    Shit’s coming down, folks. Ed, do what you do, and don’t try to turn Resistance wolves into steers. Don’t be like them suburban whigger militia generals trying to snitch out the CI element to the FiBbIes in 1999. Snitches get stitches if they’re lucky. Don’t get caught in the hate stampede. If you do, you might live to regret it. You are a whigger herder, not a Resistance soldier. You don’t want to be a Resistance soldier anyway, not if you are scared or too nice to kill niggers for their crime in simply being stray beasts of the field who don’t belong oin our garden. Your function is not to play by ZOG’s rules or enable this. I got out I think because ZOG regime criminals are hoping that I will use my influence to modify this onrushing Great Tribulation. And I’m using my time to make Dual-Seedline Christian Identity into the White Man’s Racial HATE Religion. It will destroy ZOG/Babylon the Third and Last like Islam destroyed Zorastrianism and a bunch of other minor religions in its path.

    You have your duties and I have mine, Edgar, my whigger-herder brother. Let’s carry them out.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
    http://www.whitenationalist.org

  42. roscoe on December 2nd, 2008 3:03 pm

    Do you know who Gordon Winrod is? Please give us some news on him( if you don’t mind responding to an 1870 Conciliar Catholic.)

    Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

  43. New America on December 2nd, 2008 7:03 pm

    in reply to Pastor Martin Luther Dzerhinsky Linstedt:

    I’m going to go over your letter, summarizing the key points, particularly as it relates to Movement Past, Movement Present, and The Cause.

    you wrote:

    I’ve despised Peter Shaenk ever since he censored me for bringing up where Alex Linder got his money — from TraitorGlenn Miller years ago.

    in reply:
    Again, this is – at best – high school cafeteria clique talk.

    Believe me – NO ONE cares where Linder got the money for VNN.

    WE are focused on a Racial Future – in my case, using the Northwest Republic Analytical Framework of Harold Covington.

    Others have their own solutions, and are working on them.

    This means doing the Adult thing, and looking to the Future, rather than living in the Past – a Past, I might add, that does not inspire confidence in those who wish to move Forward.

    you wrote:

    And I listened to this show, and what it was was simply edjewcated whiggers talking smack about their ‘wingnut’ followers of those who simply “go too far.” Why they are simply far to edjewcated to simply hate niggers for being niggers — they are not ‘racist.’ But the end all and be all of what they do is simply to moan their way like gentle-steers all the way down the chute to their personal slaughter house.

    in reply:
    The problem is not just that some people “go too far,” but that they are going the wrong way.

    And, the people who “simply hate niggers for being niggers” miss the point of why they feel that way, and what they can do that is productive, and constructive, for themselves, their Families, and their Race.

    you wrote:

    They are so much better than the nuts that they hope will somehow save them in their hour of need. And having been there and seen that, they are like the suburban whigger militia generals who collaborated with the FBI in the summer of 1999 against the Christian Identity rural racist militias. The end result is that these suburban whigger militia generals pretty much were dead as organizations by the spring after Y2Kaos went bust.

    in reply:
    You have three ideas in this section, and all of them reveal an appalling lack of a grasp of the Situation before us.

    One, nobody is hoping the “wingnuts” will save us “in our hour of need.”

    We can do that quite well without uneducated, green-teethed, obese alcoholics wearing camo and pretending they are anything more than fools who lead their followers to their failure.

    Two, nobody needs to “collaborate with the FBI” against the “Christian Identity rural racist militas” – all ONE of them, if memory recalls.

    They pose more of a threat to themselves than anyone else.

    Three, for the life of me, I did not see ONE “suburban whigger milita general.”

    I did see Butler, and his thoroughly foolish, and thoroughly infiltrated “Compound” in the middle of nowhere, fail to actually DO SOMETHING constructive.

    But, Hell, that’s nothing new, for the men of Movement Past, who live in a past that never was…

    *SKIPS RAVING IDIOCY SECTION 1*

    you wrote:

    And now you are congradulating President ONigger in jewr latest post while I am suing ONigger and the State of Missouri for not letting me run for governor while confined to the NutHouse.

    in reply:
    I think you are missing Peter’s point here, so I will restate it for you:

    Obama WON – and he did so by appealing to Universalist phrases and Ideas, wearing custom-tailored Hart, Schaffner, and Marx three-piece suits.

    The way Obama WON is the same way we can WIN.

    you wrote:

    You sound like a militia general circa 1999, far more scared of White Extremist nuts killing you for moderation than you are of jews and ZOG. And now you are engaged in a piss-fight with some young bull who changed your words for his own purposes. And you wonder what to do, somewhat plaintively. Let me tell you what to do: The kid is wrong but oh so right! If he could twist Thomas Jefferson to kill jews and niggers and then twist you so as to do the same thing then the only difference is that you are the only one whining about how your vanity has been hurt. You screw over that stupid but racially right kid and betray him to ZOG, then you will have something to worry about because you will be regarded as a traitor. Not feel like producing anything? Then sulk in your tent until not that you are needed, but that you have your own little vengeance to pursue like Patrocles.

    in reply:
    This sounds like something around Mr. Steele and his relationship with Matt Hale, yes?

    You DO know that Matt’s not coming out in our lifetime, don’t you?

    And, think of it – if you are right, and Hale is “some young bull who changed your (Steele’s) words for his own purposes,” then you MUST recognize that Hale certainly – Hell, I just get tired of dealing with stupid, uninformed, uneducated people. I’ll skip to the next section, but I’ll say this:

    See what I said above about how the legal system REALLY works; it is about MUCH more than the black letter law.

    I feel sympathy for Edgar Steel for several reasons, but most of all, because he has spent years trying to save people from themselves, and damn if they aren’t about the worst clients imaginable – ignorant, wanting to run the case according to THEIR understanding of “the Constitution, and the law,” neither of which they understand, AND ungrateful, cheap-ass idiots.

    Perhaps, if there ever is a version of the ACLU for us, it’s motto might be:“No Good Deed Goes Unpunished.”

    *SKIPS RAVING IDIOCY SECTION 2*

    you wrote:

    And where was the bowel Movement? The part that was not in prison was the part that wants to go whigger!

    in reply:
    No.

    “The part that was not in prison” does not want to GO to prison.

    That is the First Step in being effective.

    you wrote:

    Including you, Edgar. When you gave me a copy of your book for review I told you that it was a good book to scare thousands of whiggers with and maybe get a few worthwhile people into the Movement with, but it was absolutely useless to the hard-core Resistance. I don’t recollect you using my review to sell some more books. By all means do what you do best as the whigger whimperer, but you should stop telling Bill White to not go balls to the wall right now.

    in reply:
    I can only assume Edgar Steele sent you the book as a favor.

    Again, “No Good Deed Goes Unpunished.”

    And, don’t worry – Bill White can handle himself.

    He is also getting a real education about the legal system, and the law, that law school will never provide for us.

    We should learn from his experience.

    *SKIPS RAVING IDIOCY SECTION 3*

    you wrote:

    Let me tell you what I seen at the NutHouse: I saw no White or even whigger so far gone that he didn’t consider himself far above any nigger or beaner or gook or jew. And I didn’t see a single nigger that didn’t think that whitey owed him forever. It didn’t matter how much they were doped up, no matter how much dope is applied, biology is everything.

    in reply:
    You know what we all see at “the NutHouse?”

    We see people that have extreme difficulty in dealing with Reality in even the most fundamental manner.

    Perhaps that’s where most of Movement Past ended up!

    There, or in prison, giving eloquent lectures about “CONstitutional Rights,” and “inalienable Rights,” and all of that good stuff.

    Metzger has it right on this:

    You only have the “Rights” you can enforce. In fact, most of what you think are “Constitutional Rights” are merely privileges, and be can modified, or withdrawn altogether.

    This last, and then I have Work To Do.

    you wrote:

    But you don’t tell us to stop hating. You don’t tell us to show mercy. Back off from that dumb kid Delaney. Why the mean little bastard distilled jewr whigger pablum into 100-proof hate and you are scared of the little bastard and us wingnuts if you please. Like Covington in his white-flight escapist novels, touch him with the side of jewr jackboot. But back off from him. Don’t make yourself into a traitor. These people are wolves and wolves don’t prod easy.

    in reply:
    Three quick comments:

    One, all of your “hate” has earned you nothing.

    Think about that for a minute.

    Two, Covington’s Northwest Republic Quadrology deals with much more than “white-flight escapist” fantasies. They deal with the greatest challenge of all, building a Nation for our Race.

    Three, “these people are wolves…” seems a bit of a slur…

    To wolves.

  44. Z.O.G. on December 2nd, 2008 11:35 pm

    Hmmm, I don’t know who Gordon Winrod is, but I DO know who Wordon Ginrod is. I can’t tell you though. It’s a secret! ;-)

  45. Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt on December 3rd, 2008 12:23 am

    Do you know who Gordon Winrod is? Please give us some news on him( if you don’t mind responding to an 1870 Conciliar Catholic.)

    ==========

    Gordon Winrod got railroaded for kidnapping his own grandchildren, along with his daughter after a farce of a ZOG show-trial here in Missouri back in 2000-2001. He was a martyr for holding and publishing his DSCI beliefs. I am ashamed to admit that I don’t know where he is right now. I suspect at 82 years old he is probably in the geriatrics ward in a Missouri prison system probably around Springfield Missouri. But I will make inquiries concerning this POW to my contacts in the Movement and get back to you on this matter. Thank you for bringing this matter back to the forefront of my mind.

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
    http://www.whitenationalist.org

  46. roscoe on December 3rd, 2008 3:38 am

    What is DSCI?

  47. Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt on December 3rd, 2008 4:00 am

    The whigger-whimperer’s gLibberToon cameleopardian sock-puppet

    One of the Whigger-whimperer Edgar Steele’s Sock Puppets made a response to my article. At least I hope it is one of Edgar Steele’s paytridiotic’Tard groupies and not Edgar Steele himself because I am hoping that ‘The Great Whigger-Whimperer’ hisself has not degenerated so far into syphilitic self-idolatry that this is the sort of sorry response that can be expected in the future. I really want the ‘Whigger-Whimperer’ to work his magic with ZOGling whiggers that some of them wake up and save theysselfs like a steer jumping the corral leading up to the chute leading to the kill line. Better yet, to have them whigger steers regrow their nuts and become fighting bulls and kill a few cattle industry workers trying to load them into the chute.

    Edgar, if you can hear me now, please pull your head out of your ass. This civil war is going to be run by means of violence. And them niggers simply won’t go away just because you beg them to do because they are genetically niggers. Rather they will go away because people like me will kill them niggers or ship them off to Africa or maybe just give them their own Niggeria in the SE AmeriKwa. But that means that someone will have to get their hands wet with blood, and we are not going to put up with your putting on airs like some whigger shithead wanting to eat meat but looking down on the butcher.

    Now I could generate a sock puppet, I’d call him Felix Dzerzhinsky Sock Puppet — FDSP — vs. Whigger-Whimperer Sock Puppet (wwSP) to ridicule you some more. But I do have some measure of respect for you and what you are doing, plus the fact that I have other things to do right now that I’ll put it off for now. But essentially my FDSP would simply kick your wwSP in the nuts until the goofy bastard decided to stop putting on airs of fake superiority. Your wwSP simply doesn’t know what it is talking about and like a moronic child running into the street, would get hurt in real life when it came down to the nut-cutting.

    And your wwSP demeans you by whining that you got an honest response from me when you sent me a copy of your book. I said that it was valuable for bringing whiggers into the Movement but absolutely worthless for the hard-core made-man Resistance Soldier. And your wwSP would have made of you giving me your book the act of a whoremonger expecting to be rewarded by a whore moaning about how the john had the biggest hardest cock that made her squeal like no other. Edgar, it wasn’t that good for me. But it was a nice attempt at a pickle-tickle, and it ought to make the whigger sluts squeal, especially if itz they’se first time.

    wwSP reminds me of this goofy LibberToon who told me back in 1995 in the “People’s Republic of Columbia Missouri” area that he had been a supply/motor pool lieutenant in the gyrenes and that he had a wonderfool militia of one before the “frigging Birchers” showed up and took away his militia. I looked at this fool with amazement. A militia like we were organizing had a lot of middle-aged and physically fit old Birchers in it and I’d actually prefer Klansmen and Identity Christians in it like there were in the two militias I was organizing. But I was keeping my racism at the time on the “down low” and so I told the cuntree-club LiberToon wannabe whigger militia general that he would have to work with what he had, and if they elected a fellow Bircher as their Commanding Officer then he would have to live with it. He didn’t, but rather run off whining about the injewstice of life not being run in accordance with gLibberToon whigger desires and hash-pipe dreams.

    Now I could, and probably will, create a sub-sock puppet for my Felix Dzerzhinsky Sock Puppet (FDSP) named Swillis Gumpf, a green-teethed 86 IQ alcoholic racist moron to kick your whigger-whimperer Sock Puppet (wwSP) in the nuts until the wwSP learns to shut the fuck up and not think it was better than the FDSP or the Swillis Gumpf Sock Puppet (SGSP) but that enjoyable and hilarious scenario waits for another day.

    Edgar, you have a place in the Movement, and you have earned it. I could not write an Edgar Steele piece even if I wanted to. But you cannot write a Jim Floyd, or Luke LaVellian, or Alex Curtis or Martin Lindstedt piece even if you wanted to — and you don’t. So when you see what we write and what we advocate, you have a fit. But you can’t and won’t answer us. Your wwSP was ever so busy doing something so as to not answer the points made. Doubtless it was busily jacking off in a corner somewhere. And it acted like all the staff and administration at the Fulton State Hospital, most of whom take voluntarily the very same anti-psychotic drugs that they force involuntarily upon the nutz who are condemned without due process of law to be confined there. If you and wwSP have no answer to a point made, the courageous and honest thing to say is: I don’t know.

    And insofar as your being the “Attorney for the Damned” which title you have given for yourself, let me remind you that Timothy McVeigh had a lawyer. Eric Rudolph had a lawyer. ZOG forced a lawyer on Ted Kazinsky. Pastor Butler had a lawyer. Matt Hale had a lawyer. And the results were worse than if they hadn’t even gone along with the pretense. Do you know who is beating ZOGs kangaroo korts? Osama Bin Laden’s driver, hairdresser, camel herder, and every single Guantanamo raghead that’s who. They simply tell ZOG to fuck itz kangaroo kort, fuck itz jewdges and prostitutors, and, most importantly, to fuck itz fucking pubic pretenders. And these ‘stupid’ ragheads without a fifth-grade edjewcation are whipping ZOGs ass in the court of international public opinion.

    So Edgar, you are not that indispensible as a lawyer. In fact, you might well be a liability, because you enable what Gary Spence calls the illusion of a ‘justice jackpot.’ I was sent to the NutHouse simply because I wouldn’t gamble using one of their officers of the kort as ‘my’ enemy spy. And yet you bitch that you are not appreciated and worshipped enough. With that attitude, perhaps you should limit your services to providing for non-political chicken thieves who will be suitably grateful.

    Edgar, don’t worry about losing your Resistance audience. You never had them because they were going beyond any help you could ever give them. When you kick up a fuss about some enthusiastic kid taking your work and modifying it to fit his audience, then the question occurs as to why did you write the article in the first place? For the Movement? Or for your own profit? Like Ananias and Sapphira you seem to want to both profit and to be worshipped of men at the same time. And while Mike Delaney is no St. Peter, we do wonder at why you would even think of turning in our own to ZOG. And if you are not thinking of doing so, then to make a threat to do so is not only treasonous, but stupid as well. Don’t fill ZOG’s prisons any more than in the normal course of attorney incompetence. Mike Delaney was wrong of a minor sin. And you are guilty of a major sin. Perhaps both of you should go and sin no more.

    I have a totally different view of the future than you do. It is the Orthodox Dual-Seedline Christian Identity doctrine of a Great Tribulation in which the vast majority of the world is destroyed. And against mighty Babylon are arrayed only the few, the proud, the Elect. And that Babylon is destroyed and that the even fewer Elect remain. And so our politics and Resistance view stem from that doctrine. Yet to your cuntree-club whigger wwSP sock-puppet we are all a bunch of nuts to be bullied when we are not pitied. You represented Pastor Butler unsuccessfully. You seem even more unsuccessful in being close to the man for so long — I met him only once in Topeka in May 2004 — and yet you seem to not have taken anything away from the honor and privilege of knowing him, not a millionth of what I took away from meeting him once. From to whom much is given much is expected, and you seem to be a thoroughbred who got his ass whupped at the track by Tony the Pony. Perhaps Butler picked ‘dry holes’ in his attorneys as much as Kevin Alfred Strom did in his wives.

    And contrary to the idiocies of today’s bowel Movement, what certain traitors, liars and hypocrites did in the past are very much relevant to today and the future. Like Llam Neeson in “Michael Collins” said, “Traitors and informants are the death of Resistance Movements like our own.” And in the movie he took some peat, the only weapon they had, and led a mob that burned down a police station of the Royal Irish Constabulary. And the piglice were put on notice that they would serve the People, not a foreign king, or they would get a bullet in the head and their families burnt out. And Michael Collins won.

    So if Peter Shaenk is a liar to his professed principles, then everyone should know and Peter will have to live with it or make amends. And if Alex Linder is accepting money from ZOG from TraitorGlenn Miller, then that needs to be noted. And TraitorGlenn Miller cannot buy itz way back into the Movement, but needs to be so scared that it ran like the cowardly dog it was away from any White Man like it did from my office in August 2000. it needs to know that there is vengeance and it won’t wait forever. Anyone who sponsors a traitor is liable to pay for its stupidity, even if by accident. So how much more when it is caused by vanity and the wish to be accepted.

    Ed, we won’t let you get away with saying that you want to live in a White world while you look down on us who will do the heavy lifting and killing of niggers and beaners and jews. No brass, no gas, no ass — and no free ride, Edgar.

    I think I’ve beaten you over the head enough. I’ve called you the whigger-whimperer, a take-off on the horse-whisperer. But a whigger is far less noble than a dumb animal because he should know better. And in his heart he does. You are the Movement’s best whigger-whimperer. And that is something I’d like for the Resistance to take to the bank. So pack your camel, get your head out of your ass, and you help us all get to the Promised Land. You have something to do. So get over yourself and get back that lovin’ feeling for your sinful ungrateful stupid whigger People. Some of them are worth saving.

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
    http://www.whitenationalist.org

    Some nuggets from wwSP:

    in reply to Pastor Martin Luther Dzerhinsky Linstedt:

    I’m going to go over your letter, summarizing the key points, particularly as it relates to Movement Past, Movement Present, and The Cause.
    .

    in reply:
    Again, this is – at best – high school cafeteria clique talk.

    Believe me – NO ONE cares where Linder got the money for VNN.

    WE are focused on a Racial Future – in my case, using the Northwest Republic Analytical Framework of Harold Covington.

    Others have their own solutions, and are working on them.

    This means doing the Adult thing, and looking to the Future, rather than living in the Past – a Past, I might add, that does not inspire confidence in those who wish to move Forward.

    in reply:
    You have three ideas in this section, and all of them reveal an appalling lack of a grasp of the Situation before us.

    One, nobody is hoping the “wingnuts” will save us “in our hour of need.”

    We can do that quite well without uneducated, green-teethed, obese alcoholics wearing camo and pretending they are anything more than fools who lead their followers to their failure.

    Two, nobody needs to “collaborate with the FBI” against the “Christian Identity rural racist militas” – all ONE of them, if memory recalls.

    Three, for the life of me, I did not see ONE “suburban whigger milita general.”

    I did see Butler, and his thoroughly foolish, and thoroughly infiltrated “Compound” in the middle of nowhere, fail to actually DO SOMETHING constructive.

    *SKIPS RAVING IDIOCY SECTION 1*

    The way Obama WON is the same way we can WIN.

    Then sulk in your tent until not that you are needed, but that you have your own little vengeance to pursue like Patrocles.

    in reply:
    This sounds like something around Mr. Steele and his relationship with Matt Hale, yes?

    You DO know that Matt’s not coming out in our lifetime, don’t you?

    And, think of it – if you are right, and Hale is “some young bull who changed your (Steele’s) words for his own purposes,” then you MUST recognize that Hale certainly – Hell, I just get tired of dealing with stupid, uninformed, uneducated people. I’ll skip to the next section, but I’ll say this:

    See what I said above about how the legal system REALLY works; it is about MUCH more than the black letter law.

    I feel sympathy for Edgar Steel for several reasons, but most of all, because he has spent years trying to save people from themselves, and damn if they aren’t about the worst clients imaginable – ignorant, wanting to run the case according to THEIR understanding of “the Constitution, and the law,” neither of which they understand, AND ungrateful, cheap-ass idiots.

    Perhaps, if there ever is a version of the ACLU for us, it’s motto might be:“No Good Deed Goes Unpunished.”

    *SKIPS RAVING IDIOCY SECTION 2*

    you wrote:

    Including you, Edgar. When you gave me a copy of your book for review I told you that it was a good book to scare thousands of whiggers with and maybe get a few worthwhile people into the Movement with, but it was absolutely useless to the hard-core Resistance. I don’t recollect you using my review to sell some more books. By all means do what you do best as the whigger whimperer, but you should stop telling Bill White to not go balls to the wall right now.

    in reply:
    I can only assume Edgar Steele sent you the book as a favor.

    Again, “No Good Deed Goes Unpunished.”

    And, don’t worry – Bill White can handle himself.

    He is also getting a real education about the legal system, and the law, that law school will never provide for us.

    We should learn from his experience.

    *SKIPS RAVING IDIOCY SECTION 3*

    you wrote:

    Let me tell you what I seen at the NutHouse: I saw no White or even whigger so far gone that he didn’t consider himself far above any nigger or beaner or gook or jew. And I didn’t see a single nigger that didn’t think that whitey owed him forever. It didn’t matter how much they were doped up, no matter how much dope is applied, biology is everything.

    in reply:
    You know what we all see at “the NutHouse?”

    We see people that have extreme difficulty in dealing with Reality in even the most fundamental manner.

    Perhaps that’s where most of Movement Past ended up!

    There, or in prison, giving eloquent lectures about “CONstitutional Rights,” and “inalienable Rights,” and all of that good stuff.

    Metzger has it right on this:

    You only have the “Rights” you can enforce. In fact, most of what you think are “Constitutional Rights” are merely privileges, and be can modified, or withdrawn altogether.

    This last, and then I have Work To Do. (Probably some more masturbation)

    you wrote:

    But you don’t tell us to stop hating. You don’t tell us to show mercy. Back off from that dumb kid Delaney. Why the mean little bastard distilled jewr whigger pablum into 100-proof hate and you are scared of the little bastard and us wingnuts if you please. Like Covington in his white-flight escapist novels, touch him with the side of jewr jackboot. But back off from him. Don’t make yourself into a traitor. These people are wolves and wolves don’t prod easy.

    in reply:
    Three quick comments:

    One, all of your “hate” has earned you nothing.

    Think about that for a minute.

    Two, Covington’s Northwest Republic Quadrology deals with much more than “white-flight escapist” fantasies. They deal with the greatest challenge of all, building a Nation for our Race.

    Three, “these people are wolves…” seems a bit of a slur…

    To wolves.

  48. Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt on December 3rd, 2008 4:12 am

    What is DSCI?

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    Dual-Seedline Christian Identity. Pastor Richard Butler’s Racial Religion. It says that Northern and Western Whites are the lost Tribes of Israel, jews are the literal spawn of Satan from Eve’s sin, Cain was the first jew as Satan’s son, that the Flood was local to drown Genesis Chapter 6 misceginating Adamite whiggers in the First Babylon and that non-whites are the soul-less Beasts of the Field.

    Thus DSCI has been the mainstay of the Resistance.

    Pastor Martin L.D. Lindstedt CJCC/AN of Missouri

  49. New America on December 3rd, 2008 4:50 am

    in reply to Martin Luther Dzerinshky Linstedt:

    One, I am not Edgar Steele; he can speak for himself.

    Two, I have no problems with you calling me whatever you want. “cuntree-club whigger wwSP sock-puppet ” is just fine, considering that it is your term.

    Three, when you wrote:

    And your wwSP demeans you by whining that you got an honest response from me when you sent me a copy of your book. I said that it was valuable for bringing whiggers into the Movement but absolutely worthless for the hard-core made-man Resistance Soldier.

    in reply:
    “…hard-core made-man Resistance Soldier.”

    Is THAT what you see when you look in the mirror?

    I am taking more time with you than you deserve, because you really seem to be a microcosm of the worst of Movement Past.

    I might have thought you suffered from delusions of grandeur, but I was wrong.

    It seems you, like so many of Movement Past, suffer from delusions of adequacy.

    Four, you wrote:

    And insofar as your being the “Attorney for the Damned” which title you have given for yourself, let me remind you that Timothy McVeigh had a lawyer. Eric Rudolph had a lawyer. ZOG forced a lawyer on Ted Kazinsky. Pastor Butler had a lawyer. Matt Hale had a lawyer. And the results were worse than if they hadn’t even gone along with the pretense. Do you know who is beating ZOGs kangaroo korts? Osama Bin Laden’s driver, hairdresser, camel herder, and every single Guantanamo raghead that’s who. They simply tell ZOG to fuck itz kangaroo kort, fuck itz jewdges and prostitutors, and, most importantly, to fuck itz fucking pubic pretenders. And these ’stupid’ ragheads without a fifth-grade edjewcation are whipping ZOGs ass in the court of international public opinion.

    in reply:
    Bin Laden’s driver has been represented by lawyers at all possible points.

    Incidentally, lawyers usually have other lawyers represent them is situations where the other lawyer has greater expertise.

    Happens every day, in Bar Association proceedings, all across America.

    If you don’t have a lawyer, you DO have a fool for a client.

    Here is where Metzger wins First Prize:

    The FIVE WORDS usually do more to save you than a lawyer can, and using them – without fail – will certainly make your lawyer’s job a lot easier.

    On everything else, you simple have nothing of constructive substance to say, and I have work to do.

  50. Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt on December 3rd, 2008 5:55 am

    in reply to Martin Luther Dzer[z][h]insky Lin[d]stedt, NewZOG the same as the OldZOG yapped:

    One, I am not Edgar Steele; he can speak for himself.

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    I didn’t think that you were. If Edgar is listening to his “yes-whiggers” then Ed is on the verge of real irrelevance. Ed needs someone who will tell him the truth, not some worshipfool whigger who will simply repeat his prejudices. –MLDL
    =======

    Two, I have no problems with you calling me whatever you want. “cuntree-club whigger wwSP sock-puppet ” is just fine, considering that it is your term.

    ========
    There are 165 million whiggers in the ZOGland and less than 5 million White men. So you should be honored that I made you a ZOGling whigger ass-clown with itz own little title. –MLDL
    ========

    Three, when you wrote:

    And your wwSP demeans you by whining that you got an honest response from me when you sent me a copy of your book. I said that it was valuable for bringing whiggers into the Movement but absolutely worthless for the hard-core made-man Resistance Soldier.

    in reply:
    “…hard-core made-man Resistance Soldier.”

    Is THAT what you see when you look in the mirror?

    I am taking more time with you than you deserve, because you really seem to be a microcosm of the worst of Movement Past.

    ========
    You are a typical whigger, cutting and pasting whatever suits itz own prejudices, just smart enough to continually shove itz own dick in itz mouth and to suck for nourishment. Maybe you should eat some real food, rather than simply feed off of your own foolishness.

    Now I’ve done something. And you have done . . . . What exactly other than peck on a keyboard and wannabe Edgar Steele? I give Edgar credit where it is due. He is THE whigger-whimperer. But what he brings in to the bag isn’t much worth it most of the time.

    “Oh my God Ed!!! Don’t bring in no more rabid half-growed possums with crotch-rot for the pot!!!”

    And jewr kind was the-m-asses of the bowel Movement past. And the bowel Movement present. And YHWH help us if jewr kind is the bowel Movement future, because if it is, then White people are dead meat.

    To hell with it. I need to sic Swillis Gumpf on jew. jew’ll learn no other way without lumps. –MLDL
    =============

    I might have thought you suffered from delusions of grandeur, but I was wrong.

    It seems you, like so many of Movement Past, suffer from delusions of adequacy.

    ===========
    Now this whigger is plagarizing me. Maybe I had better not wean it off of Edgar Steele or it’ll be on my dick like a whigger Hoover in heat. –MLDL
    =============

    Four, you wrote:

    And insofar as your being the “Attorney for the Damned” which title you have given for yourself, let me remind you that Timothy McVeigh had a lawyer. Eric Rudolph had a lawyer. ZOG forced a lawyer on Ted Kazinsky. Pastor Butler had a lawyer. Matt Hale had a lawyer. And the results were worse than if they hadn’t even gone along with the pretense. Do you know who is beating ZOGs kangaroo korts? Osama Bin Laden’s driver, hairdresser, camel herder, and every single Guantanamo raghead that’s who. They simply tell ZOG to fuck itz kangaroo kort, fuck itz jewdges and prostitutors, and, most importantly, to fuck itz fucking pubic pretenders. And these ’stupid’ ragheads without a fifth-grade edjewcation are whipping ZOGs ass in the court of international public opinion.

    in reply:
    Bin Laden’s driver has been represented by lawyers at all possible points.

    ========
    And most of the other defendants have refused to play along and refused their pubic pretenders. –MLDL
    =========

    Incidentally, lawyers usually have other lawyers represent them is situations where the other lawyer has greater expertise.

    Happens every day, in Bar Association proceedings, all across America.

    If you don’t have a lawyer, you DO have a fool for a client.

    ========
    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing for fools. The original quotation was “A lawyer that represents himself has a fool for a client.” Perhaps you should read Faretta v California and Indiana v. Edwards. –MLDL
    =========

    Here is where Metzger wins First Prize:

    The FIVE WORDS usually do more to save you than a lawyer can, and using them – without fail – will certainly make your lawyer’s job a lot easier.

    On everything else, you simple have nothing of constructive substance to say, and I have work to do.

    =============
    I agree with Metzger. Now go back to jewr masturbation. jewr berry berry beezy doing somethang. –MLDL
    =============

  51. roscoe on December 3rd, 2008 2:31 pm

    Gordon Winrod did not adhere to the heresy of Christian Identity. In fact after reading his Commentary On The Book Of Romans, I had the distinct impression that he was ready to return to the Catholic Church( not of course the v2 imposter church).

    The G Winrod case is related to MK Ultra and he has been framed. The way I see it, the only thing keeping him from the Catholic Church is the lie that St Ignatius was a judaic or that the Jesuit order somehow represents a judaic corruption within the Church. Of course it follows to these ‘thinkers’ that Wieshaupt was a Jesuit and this means they are behind the NJWO etc.

    I will agree that there is big trouble within the Jesuit order( and indeed the entire Cath Church)beginning in 1914, but the rumors that circulate within the Prot conspiracy community especially about the true nature of the Jesuit order are false– wake up!

  52. roscoe on December 3rd, 2008 2:38 pm

    G Winrod’s book Commentary On Romans can be purchased at http://www.omnicbc.com

  53. Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt on December 3rd, 2008 4:32 pm

    Gordon Winrod did not adhere to the heresy of Christian Identity. In fact after reading his Commentary On The Book Of Romans, I had the distinct impression that he was ready to return to the Catholic Church( not of course the v2 imposter church).

    The G Winrod case is related to MK Ultra and he has been framed. The way I see it, the only thing keeping him from the Catholic Church is the lie that St Ignatius was a judaic or that the Jesuit order somehow represents a judaic corruption within the Church. Of course it follows to these ‘thinkers’ that Wieshaupt was a Jesuit and this means they are behind the NJWO etc.

    I will agree that there is big trouble within the Jesuit order( and indeed the entire Cath Church)beginning in 1914, but the rumors that circulate within the Prot conspiracy community especially about the true nature of the Jesuit order are false– wake up!

    ============

    All I can say is that if he preaches DSCI Orthodox doxology about jews being the spawn of Satan, then I take him at his word.

    I’m not going to argue about the Roman Catholic church with you even though I was doped up with the connivance of some female RC chief chaplain at Fulton. No need to repeat about invoking Das Swedentrunken upon papists here on this Edgar Steele thread. DSCI is not a ‘heresy’ for White Men as it is their racial religion. RC is a religion fit only for hyberniggers, beaners, spics, latrinos and guidos.

    I thank you for reminding me of my duty to one of my own, Gordon Winrod and getting me to do it. Thank you for that. And thank you for the link.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri

  54. Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt on December 3rd, 2008 4:53 pm

    Roscoe, if you support Gordon Winrod, then thank you very much.

    I get annoyed whenever I hear some mainstream jewdayo church claim that CI is a heresy and I tend to snap off a sharp comment. I won’t pretend that what I said doesn’t go, but if, as we in CI believe, when Christ returns then he is DSCI and you White RCs will be forced to see the error of your ways. Doubtless you think differently as you seem devout.

    Thanks again for your concern for Gordon Winrod. In that we are brothers.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin LD Lindstedt CJCC/AN

  55. roscoe on December 3rd, 2008 8:41 pm

    I do support G Winrod and any info you can find out about him will be appreciated. You will find though that he is not CI. One does not have to be CI to understand that Judaics run this world.

    You have been lied to about the Cath Church paesan and also Bill White and Hal Turner– they are not to be trusted. . Please read my post at Cathinfo about Galileo– any comments will be appreciated.

    http://www.cathinfo.com/index/.php?a=topic&t=6143

    I understand that there may be some truth to the European peoples being the lost tribes but CI is still a heresy because it denies Roman Primacy. The people of Southern Europe–Sicilians, Lebanese, Iranians, Greeks and some others may be Guinnies or Dagos but they are WHITE Guinnies and Dagos– Mediteraneans.

  56. roscoe on December 3rd, 2008 8:44 pm
  57. roscoe on December 3rd, 2008 8:58 pm

    While you are over at omnicbc you may want to pick up a copy of Pinay– Plot against The Chruch. This will demonstate that judaics have been obsessed with destroying the Cath Church for well over a millenia– they almost succeed a couple times in the past with Anacletus and The Templars but with v2, they really have. Ciao

  58. Z.O.G. on December 3rd, 2008 9:36 pm

    Wow, it looks like the nutcases have finally found VOR, e.g. “Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt.”

    :-)

  59. roscoe on December 4th, 2008 12:54 am

    Pas MLDL– In addition you would be surprised by the number of Spaniards and Italians( which includes Sicilians–any one from south of Rome) who are blonde haired and blue eyed. For ceunturies the nordic Europeans( in whatever faction) came south and mingled with the Meds. We are all familiar with how they eventually shed their Arianism( Arius was a judaic and the root from which Aryan is derived) and converted to Rome. The German historian von Pastor describes one Pope as ‘ a typical Italian with blonde hair and blue eyes’.

  60. roscoe on December 4th, 2008 12:58 am

    The Christian Identity hoaxters are placing race above religion– it is not of great importance today to know who the lost tribes of Israel are.

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