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Schaenk: War of Perception, Tue. 9/30

September 30, 2008

VoR radio host Peter Schaenk interviews E. Michael Jones (replay of Mon. 9/22 show).

2 hours 6 min.

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176 Responses to “Schaenk: War of Perception, Tue. 9/30”

  1. roscoe on October 1st, 2008 1:42 am

    Quiz–who are the only two current radio personalities who have taken it upon themselves to publically declare that they don’t like the Beatles? Keeping in mind however the diff bet 1965 and 1966 Beatles because I would agree with the op expressed in that case.

    One has actually said that he prefers the Isley Bros T & W to the Beatles– and one digs Lynard Skynnerd

  2. Z.O.G. on October 1st, 2008 4:26 am

    I just learned two little interesting tidbits about Mookie Jones:

    1.) His wife Violet is a Jew who “converted” to Christianity.

    2.) He named one of his kids “Einstein”(a boy).

    LOL :-)

  3. K-Sensor on October 1st, 2008 5:28 am

    “2.) He named one of his kids “Einstein”(a boy).” is that true or a middle name?

    Einstein wasn’t much as his works were supposed to have been plagiarised, and that’s even if you want to attribute any greatness to them. Like e=mc2 isn’t special. It’s so simple and general that it’s unusable. All it means is the energy is the potential in a 3d shape, being a cube in his formula. The problem is the formula needs to be individually calculate to the object’s shape/mass, in practice. Then we can’t be sure the constant, the c in mc2, being light speed is a set speed, other words light in the formula in dictation to storage space.

    You could rewrite the energry forumla to e=mc^d. d=dimensions

    Newton would have been a better name if you wanted a major explorer in science.

  4. Z.O.G. on October 1st, 2008 3:18 pm

    K-Sensor said, “Newton would have been a better name if you wanted a major explorer in science.”

    Yeah, but Newton wasn’t a Jew. Einstein was. That’s why Mookie Jones used Einstein’s name instead of Newton’s name. Keep in mind that Alex’s two little spawn are Jews (because their mommy is a Jew), so if he is going to name one of them after a famous scientist, then of course it will be a Jewish one! ;-)

  5. Z.O.G. on October 1st, 2008 3:20 pm

    Another little interesting tidbit about Mookie Jones:

    -Both his father AND his grandfather are Freemasons.

    ;-)

  6. roscoe on October 1st, 2008 4:04 pm

    Texee Marrs(mr kjv) married Mookie and his wife. The KJV is a masonic document that has removed almost all references to Rome— DeVere, Bacon, and the king who ‘compiled’ the ‘book’ were all freemasons.

  7. Wolf on October 1st, 2008 6:33 pm

    Wasn’t King James a pre-vat II Roman Catholic?

    Freemasonry wasn’t taken over by the Jews until the late 17th century.

    Do you suggest we all read the Mookie Jones unabridged version?

  8. katman on October 1st, 2008 7:26 pm

    the program loops and then repeats.

  9. GEORGE WELLS on October 1st, 2008 8:10 pm

    Danger. Monotheism by any name whether Christianity, Judaism, or Islam is a danger to us all. Its a mental illness based upon the belief in only one true god, all others being devils. So if you don’t believe in the true god, the true believer knows you are worthy of being genocided. Sooner or later the true believer is going to be inspired to do god’s will and either kill you or force your conversion to his religion.

    I’m sure Jones is defending his faith in his new book. I’m sure he sees protestants, any non-catholic, as in as much rebellion to god as the jews and their revolutionary spirit.

    The revolutionary spirit of Americans has given us the opportunity to think for ourselves (although few do) and contemplate reality as we see it in nature and not have to filter what we see through an ideological lens.

    Galileo was oppressed by a catholic society and that same catholic society today would remove from us the freedom to think for ourselves. It’s really un-american and anti-indoeuropean.

  10. roscoe on October 1st, 2008 9:01 pm

    ‘Galileo was oppresed by a Catholic society’ ???????

    http://www.cathinfo.com/bb/index.php?a=topic&t=4168

    Galileo was committing heresy although he never actually was a heretic proper because he recanted his mistaken views .

  11. roscoe on October 1st, 2008 9:07 pm

    Where does one get the idea that King james was a pre-vatican II Roman Catholic??

    Freemasonry was run by judaics a long time b4 the end of the 17th century.—-Molay, the head of Templars was a marrano judaic.
    What source are you using for that assertion?

    If you are referring to the congress of Willamsbade(sp?)–that was at the end of 18th century.

  12. Wolf on October 1st, 2008 10:01 pm

    The KJV is a tweak to the version authorized by Henry VIII who considered himself a Catholic.

    The Church of England considers itself to be Catholic.

    Word has it that even you roscoe, an ex-Beatle groupie and lifetime member of the Ringo Starr fan club, even you consider yourself to be some sort of Catholic.

    I don’t know why, since you’re constantly criticizing the current Catholic Church.

    Show some respect.

    King Henry had nothing on you.

  13. katman on October 1st, 2008 11:40 pm

    ringo starr is a jew…..

  14. katman on October 1st, 2008 11:43 pm

    Freemasonry was run by judaics a long time b4 the end of the 17th century.—-Molay, the head of Templars was a marrano judaic…<<<<

    so were the jesuits….so roscoe, let me ask you a question. do you think it was a good idea for the catholic church to put the jesuits in charge of rooting out all the jews who were faking it, when the jesuits themselves as a organization was full of jews?

  15. Z.O.G. on October 2nd, 2008 12:06 am

    The founder of the Jesuit order, Ignatius Loyola, himself was a freaking Marrano Converso Jew, was he not?

  16. Howdy Doody on October 2nd, 2008 1:18 am

    Love the Twilight Zone theme music.

    Really miss phone calls, but I must admit most were idiots, but some callers were Excellent!

  17. roscoe on October 2nd, 2008 2:40 am

    There is zero truth to the allegation that St Ignatius was a judaic– this is a subject that needs no repitition.

    The same is true of Ringo Starr.

    We are still waiting on Rob tp give us his op on whether Columbus was a Judiac.

  18. K-Sensor on October 2nd, 2008 6:30 am

    Roscoe I disagree with the KJV being a deception. It’s been confirmed with dead sea scrolls and other works as one of the most accurate. I must admit I’m not expert on this topic.

    I don’t trust Texee Marrs as in too many of his shows he likes today’s Israel with the new kingdom.

    Good point Wolf. If these Freemasons where ex Catholics then they were either infiltrated the Catholics or the Catholics really have Freemasons as their heart. The Freemasons are just a take on the Synagogue, but they pull in all the Mystery Religions which the Talmudists are anyway.

  19. Moranen on October 2nd, 2008 7:09 am

    World Government in Judaism:

    If anyone has any doubts or uncertainty about the fact that Judaism is about world domination, just read these articles:
    http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm
    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=510&letter=M&search=messiah

    “In the Older Apocalyptic Literature.
    The Messiah appears under the figure of a white bull at the conclusion of the world-drama (xc. 37 et seq.) and commands the respect and fear of all the heathen, who eventually become converted to God. Yet he does not take any actual rôle. It is God Himself who wards off the last attack of the heathen against Israel, gives judgment, and establishes the world-dominion of Israel.”

    “In Rabbinic Literature.
    In the rabbinical apocalyptic literature the conception of an earthly Messiah is the prevailing one, and from the end of the first century of the common era it is also the one officially accepted by Judaism. [...] His mission is, in all essential respects, the same as in the apocalypses of the older period: he is to free Israel from the power of the heathen world, kill its ruler and destroy his hosts, and set up his own kingdom of peace”

    What Will the Moshiach Do?

    Before the time of the moshiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

    “The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).”

  20. K-Sensor on October 2nd, 2008 7:29 am

    grrr I need an edit button…

  21. maurice on October 2nd, 2008 7:53 am

    ksensor wrote: “If these Freemasons where ex Catholics then they were either infiltrated the Catholics or the Catholics really have Freemasons as their heart.”
    uffff… always the religious war and keeping everybody distracted from the real issues…

    Let’s see my old posts. Her is one:

    The 33° Freemason Yves Marsaudon wrote in plain terms:
    “With the Protestant churches there is no problem wanting to be solved, no more than there is any problem between Masonry and the Synagogue. The difficulties exist only with the Roman Church alone.”

    Masons are very happy with protestantism as the first step to religious syncretism. One Masonic magazine Latimia, of Germany stated, “Protestantism is half Masonry” and Eugene Sue said, “ The best way to de-Christianize Europe is to Protestantize it” and the Mason E. Quinet states: “In order to put an end to all religion, I have here two roads which open before you: you can attack at the same time Catholicism and all the religions on earth, especially the Christian sects; in this case you have opposing you, all the universe. On the contrary, you can arm yourselves with all those who are opposed to Catholicism, especially with the Christian sects who war against it: gathering the force of the impulse of the French Revolution, you can put Catholicism in the greatest danger that it has ever undergone. This is why I address myself to all creeds, to all religions which have combated Rome. They are all, whether they desire it or not, in our ranks since, the foundation of their existence is irreconcilable with the domination of Rome as much as ours is.” “The Mystery of Freemsonry Unveiled by Cardinal Jose Mara Caro y Rodriquez
    (Christian book Club of America, 1998) p.192

  22. roscoe on October 2nd, 2008 12:08 pm

    k-sensor—since you are not an expert in the Bible field, it might be a good idea to leave these things in the hands of the Catholic Church–which rejects the masonic KJV. The fact is that Bacon DeVere and the king were FM’s.

    I don’t listen to Texee any more but am not surprised to hear his affection for ‘todays Israel with the new kingdom’–it figures.

  23. K-Sensor on October 2nd, 2008 1:43 pm

    The Catholics believe in tithing, idols, atonement after the new conversant, etc. I don’t think they have the thoughts of Jesus.

  24. roscoe on October 2nd, 2008 2:13 pm

    infallible Constitution of the Roman Catholic Church

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM#4 and #6

  25. K-Sensor on October 2nd, 2008 3:06 pm

    Roscoe I’m for any Catholics/Catholic-groups, returning to the Word, We can’t deny the current state of the Church though, and their passing the plate for tithing during mass.

    Does Mel Gibson’s father’s church denomination tithe? It’s the only fundamental Catholic off shoot I know of.

  26. K-Sensor on October 2nd, 2008 3:11 pm

    Here are some examples of pay outs in the new Bail-Out 2.

    * Microsoft to get 8.3 Billion dollars a year.
    * Harley Davidson to get 8.3 Billion dollars a year.
    * Nascar Track Repair Company, 109 million a year.

    They are even going to pay a company 39 cents per toy arrow made, for a toy maker who makes arrows for 30cents each. The bailout2 is crazy. Let Bill Gates save his company, no the public.

  27. katman on October 2nd, 2008 3:50 pm

    heck I am thinking this bailout is for the foreigners who have bought all of the junk bonds that they now find are no good. I think they told paulson, either you pay us back for that junk or else we walk…..and if they walk, nobody else will fund this broke country anymore.

  28. K-Sensor on October 2nd, 2008 4:20 pm

    “the New Covenant.” I meant Roscoe. Stupid auto speller changed it as I was typing to “new conversant”.

  29. Z.O.G. on October 2nd, 2008 4:32 pm

    If it were up to the “Holy” Roman Catholic Church, the Bible would STILL only be available in Latin(the Vulage) to this very day, and no modern Westerner would be able to read it, which would suit the Roman Catholic priests just fine, because then the people would have no choice but to depend on them(the priests) to tell them what’s in it.

    LOL

  30. Z.O.G. on October 2nd, 2008 4:33 pm

    “Vulgate”

  31. Z.O.G. on October 2nd, 2008 4:48 pm

    St. Ignatius of Loyola was a judaic.

  32. maurice on October 2nd, 2008 7:51 pm

    Your mother is judaic.

  33. maurice on October 2nd, 2008 7:55 pm

    Bernard Lazare went on to point out the role played by Jews in Protestantism:
    “The Reformation in Germany as well as in England was one of those movements when Christianity acquired new force in Jewish sources. The Jewish spirit triumphed with Protestantism.”

  34. Z.O.G. on October 2nd, 2008 8:30 pm

    LOL Yeah, right.

    Personally, I think Catholicism is a weird mixture of bizarre idol worship and creepy voodoo rituals. But hey, if you guys are into that sort of thing, then more power to ya! :-)

  35. maurice on October 2nd, 2008 9:27 pm

    about “idol worship”

    Iconoclasm, Greek for “image-breaking”, is the deliberate destruction within a culture of the culture’s own religious icons and other symbols or monuments, usually for religious or political motives. (wikipedia)

    “The secret Jews organised and controlled in secret manner the movements, which were the creative and driving force of wicked false teachings, such as those of the Iconoclasts, the Cathars, the Patarines, the Albigensians, the Hussites, the Alumbrados and others.” (from The Plot Against The Church)

  36. roscoe on October 2nd, 2008 9:37 pm

    ‘When you attack the Catholic Church you are doing the work of the judaic’–Peter Schaenk

  37. roscoe on October 2nd, 2008 9:41 pm

    And Mr katzman has been known to be threatening and even menacing in his posts at times– a sign there may be a lack of grace in his character.

  38. katman on October 2nd, 2008 10:23 pm

    yeh zog, they tried to keep the Bible in latin so the poor white farmers couldn’t understand it. that way, they could rip them off by selling of indulgences. basically what they would do is tell these poor dumb white people who were uneducated because the catholic church felt that education and critical thinking were the root of all evil and they wanted to keep them stupid, that way they were easier to control and easier to steal money from , etc with their loan rackets and whatever else they did. but anyway. they couldn’t do that to the jews because they were too slick to fall for that crap, besides there were many converted jews, who were the very ones in the catholic church doing this stuff. so far the longest time during the middle ages, in europe the only people that were educated were the catholic church priest and above and the jews….it is this kind of atmosphere which nurtured the reformation, when the priest martin luther, started reading and believing scripture and wondering why what he read did not mesh what was being taught at catholic mass, etc………..and so now, we are much better off now, for now we see what they are and what they do. America was founded by men and women trying to escape this insanity. of course in their midst was the devil himself, coming here as well. but the Bible is very specific about this. Greater is He that is in you, than he that is in this world. zog, prayer and men on their knees begging forgiveness and seeking God’s face , allowed this country to be formed. For you see, there was no place on this earth like this, where men were (at least more or less ) allowed freedoms that no one else had ever had…..

    the trouble is that men came here, and tasted from the cup of liberty and they liked it, as God knew they would and as he made us to be……..so the Brits were a little lackadaisical about putting out the fire and so , they let it get out of hand and get out of hand it did and we are better for it , of course. until now………

  39. katman on October 2nd, 2008 10:27 pm

    is somebody talking on the radio???? :)

  40. katman on October 2nd, 2008 10:30 pm

    opec is a joke. they have no power. the jews own that oil. the saudi royal family are yemeni jews pretending to be arabs. just because someone has arabic dress on, does not mean he or she is arabic. all during the past hundreds of years, jews mingled in the arabic areas, and were left alone and accepted. …..personally i think mohammed was jewish……

  41. Wolf on October 2nd, 2008 10:46 pm

    Just caught a bit of the VP debate.

    Palin took a dig at the “Main Stream Media”, her exact words.

    Whenever I hear the term “Main Stream Media” I automatically think Jew!

    It’s a kind of code word among us who are Jew-wise. That or “The Controlled Media”

    I know Palin is currently sucking up to the Jews but it doesn’t mean she doesn’t know about them. She knows.

  42. maurice on October 2nd, 2008 11:08 pm

    Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us…

    From a series of speeches at the B’nai B’rith Convention in Paris, published shortly afterwards in the London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; Paris Le Reveil du Peuple published similar account a little later).

  43. maurice on October 2nd, 2008 11:10 pm

    You call us subversive, agitators, revolution mongers. It is the truth, and I cower at your discovery…We undoubtedly had a sizable finger in the Lutheran Rebellion, and it is simply a fact that we were the prime movers in the Bourgeois Democratic Revolutions of the century before last, both in France and America.
    Marcus Eli Ravage (Big Destruction Hammer of God), member of the staff of the New York Tribune, “A Real Case Against the Jews,” in Century Magazine, January-February, 1928

  44. maurice on October 2nd, 2008 11:12 pm

    1977: Lutheran Church leaders are calling for the deletion of the hymn “Reproaches” from Lutheran hymnals because the “hymn has a danger of fermenting anti-Semitism.” The ADL sent a letter commending the president of the American Lutheran Church for the action.

  45. katman on October 2nd, 2008 11:14 pm

    you hear that wolf. maurice says they dispose of anyone who dares to oppose them

    i don’t know about you man, but i am shaking in my boots…….:)

  46. katman on October 2nd, 2008 11:20 pm

    noam chomsky arguing with william buckley…

    peter is that good cop , bad cop………..???

  47. katman on October 2nd, 2008 11:22 pm

    I used to listen to william buckley on sunday afternoons because i thought i was being a good conservative……..but was i fooled …….

  48. maurice on October 2nd, 2008 11:23 pm

    read again, are your friends from B’nai B’rith…
    :)

  49. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 1:03 am

    Good post, katman. I agree.

    The so-called “Holy Roman Catholic Church” kept the Bible from being translated into the spoken vernacular languages of the people of Europe for hundreds and hundreds of years so that it could keep them ignorant and stupid about their very own religion.

    The only literate/educated classes during the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages were the clergy and the aristocracy. The Church fully encouraged this because it meant that the people were in a state of dependency on the church and its priests. As you rightly point out, the Church supported this state of affairs because an ignorant, stupid populace is much easier to fleece, control, and dominate than a populace that is educated, literate, and can think for itself.

    And to think that there are people who still defend this!

  50. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 1:05 am

    maurice said, “so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us…”

    Hey, all you Catholic nut jobs. The 15th century called; it wants its religion back.

    LOL :-)

  51. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 1:33 am

    Maybe you are blind or only nuts. Or only jew…

    I posted a quote:
    “Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us…”
    (From a series of speeches at the B’nai B’rith Convention in Paris, published shortly afterwards in the London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; Paris Le Reveil du Peuple published similar account a little later).

  52. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 1:42 am

    ZOG, we all understand that you have to attack the Old Roman Order as every “subversive, agitator, revolution monger” Talmudic jew has to do.

    If you can “think of yourself” try to read history (but not from jewish sources).

  53. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 1:48 am

    “for yourself”

  54. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 2:02 am

    Sculpture worship and voodoo rituals.

    Yep, that about sums it up. Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

    LOL :-)

  55. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 2:09 am

    if it comes from you, not so much… :)

  56. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 5:25 am

    Anyway…

    There is something about Jesuits inflitrated by Judaic in:
    catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/
    CHAPTER THIRTY-NINE
    JEWISH-FREEMASONIC INFILTRATION INTO THE JESUIT ORDER

  57. Peter Schaenk on October 3rd, 2008 5:56 am

    “The only literate/educated classes during the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages were the clergy and the aristocracy. The Church fully encouraged this because it meant that the people were in a state of dependency on the church and its priests.”

    You’ve been watching too much of the history channel. This is the Jew version of Christianity.

    The Holy Roman Emperor, Charlemagne, brought literacy to the barbarian tribes of Europe. This was one of the major accomplishments of the Catholic Emperor.

    I would like to remind the posters on this thread, that Judaism is destroying our civilization as I write this, not Catholicism nor Protestantism.

    If more of you would discuss the Jew and stop attacking Christianity, Catholic and Protestant, we might be able to come up with some constructive conversation and possible solutions.

    As it stands, the Jews are laughing their arses off at the infighting between the gentiles as they attack the religion of their ancestors.

    I’d swear many of you are Jews on this site, by your vehement posts against Christianity.

    It’s absolutely sickening…

  58. GEORGE WELLS on October 3rd, 2008 8:43 pm

    Peter, you have really revealed yourself. jews created christianity. It makes castrates of men. It steals their self esteem and self worth. It is a terrible religion. their is not a thimble full of power in it to save us from the jews. We need a manly religion like Odinism to help us to rise up against oppression.

    Christianity rots the brains of men. It engenders masocism rather than manly strength to create a just society.

    What does the good shepherd do? First neuter the rams, which are the self protection mechanism of the sheep. Then make a deal with the wolves to offer up a certain number to sacrifice to maintain some kind of natural equilibrium, maybe power. After all the fear of the jews does give the shephard a good deal of power.

    Priesthoods are the natural businesses of the jews before their were McDonalds type franchises.

    After all shepherds got to eat too.

    ps: if you want to free men, say with me the Thomas Jefferson creed: “I have sworn upon the alter of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Priests as a class are opposed to this creed.

  59. Scott on October 3rd, 2008 11:42 pm

    Agreed. It’s not like there ‘secular’ beliefs are not some form of a Jewish ‘religion’ by themselves. I can only laugh. The Jews are mostly secular and here at VOR we have all anti-Christ secular people. Am I supposed to believe we evolved from a rock? I think I will take my chances on Christ.

    I think we may have some Jews lurking about.

  60. Howdy Doody on October 4th, 2008 1:33 am

    Fitlty enemy aliens of every Western Nation post on every forum where White men try to escape the FLOX NEWS brain washing.

    Peter, we must take them at Their Words.

    Preface Culture Of Critique

    Jooos since 2001 have been as a group very hyper active with big mouths and b.s. patriotardism

  61. Howdy Doody on October 4th, 2008 1:36 am

    Peter about the Bail Out Bill, it does spell the end of what they started on April 12 1861 ! and then finished US off with Dec. 7, 1941 !

    They must privately LOL so hard they some times puke when they hear Twig speak as our leader. Congo Ricealini was picked as an insult to Putin!

  62. Howdy Doody on October 4th, 2008 1:38 am

    The Tony Bennet song was a good one for this discussion show!

    Another thing there are SO FEW intelligent Whtie speaking out on forums as trolls for years now have driven them away.

  63. Peter Schaenk on October 4th, 2008 2:05 am

    When you have “Jew Tools” and “Agents of Israel” posting on VoR, you know your message is having an effect.

    Thank you George, for letting us know your masters are listening.

    We know who you are, and soon the world will know.

    Now go back and tell your Jew masters that they’ve over-extended their reach this time!

  64. Peter Schaenk on October 4th, 2008 2:15 am

    Condi is a Jew by conversion. Her Uncle was a Rabbi named Ben-David-Goldstein.

    That means she is Uncle Ben’s converted Rice.

  65. Z.O.G. on October 4th, 2008 3:28 am

    LOL

    Good one, Peter.

  66. Ethan on October 4th, 2008 5:21 am

    > As it stands, the Jews are laughing their arses off at the
    > infighting between the gentiles as they attack the religion of
    > their ancestors.

    That is a deliberately misleading statement. Christianity is
    merely the religion of _some_ of our ancestors, not of
    _all_ of our ancestors. It was not the religion of the Helenistic
    Greeks, who did more that any other group to create western
    civilization. It was not the religion of our northern European
    ancestors until they were forcibly converted. As to the Roman
    empire, if I remember correctly, Gibbon listed Christianity as
    one of the causes of its decline and fall.

    So by denigrating all non-Christian religions, you are spitting
    on some of your ancestors.

    It seems to me that the Jews would attempt to undermine
    whatever belief system was the religion of the west, whether
    it be Paganism, Odinism, Zoroastrianism, or Christianity.
    Upheaval and chaos give the Jews opportunities to increase
    their power.

    Christianity is an anti-racial religion.
    “Yellow, brown, and black and white,
    “All are precious in his sight.”

    ZOG hates Creativity, because it is racial. Look at what
    they did to Matt Hale.

  67. george wells on October 4th, 2008 2:12 pm

    Peter, looks like you are a part of the movement. If you can’t deal with a person’s ideas, you have to call him a JEW.

    The first trait of a leader is to have a sense of reality. Imagine if Napoleon was not a realist.

    If you can’t face the basic premises of judeo-christianity who can you never know the enemy.

    Just pull your fragmented soul together and you will have no need for a christ. Then you can become a true aryan man.

    It probably cuts too deep, that’s way people like me are called heretics. Facing yourself really determines what you are made of.

    I take it you don’t subscribe to Jefferson’s creed then. A few dozen little Jeffersons would turn this war around.

  68. maurice on October 12th, 2008 10:53 pm

    As I was talking about Luther here, one interesting quote from him:

    “Further, they presume to instruct God and prescribe the manner in which he is to redeem them. For the Jews, these very learned saints, look upon God as a poor cobbler equipped with only a left last for making shoes. This is to say that he is to kill and exterminate all of us Goyim through their Messiah, so that they can lay their hands on the land, the goods, and the government of the whole world. And now a storm breaks over us with curses, defamation, and derision that cannot be expressed with words. They wish that sword and war, distress and every misfortune may overtake us accursed Goyim. They vent their curses on us openly every Saturday in their synagogues and daily in their homes. They teach, urge, and train their children from infancy to remain the bitter, virulent, and wrathful enemies of the Christians.”
    – M. Luther, Von den Juden und ihren Luegen, Hans Lufft, Wittenberg, (1543); Reprinted, Ludendorffs, Muenchen, (1932); English translation by Martin H. Bertram, “On the Jews and Their Lies”, Luther’s Works, Volume 47, Fortress Press, Philadelphia, (1971), pp. 123-306, at 264.

    “so that they can lay their hands on the land, the goods, and the government of the whole world” – it’s happening today!

  69. Z.O.G. on October 13th, 2008 3:46 am

    Martin Luther kicks Jew ass!

  70. roscoe on October 13th, 2008 4:20 pm

    Martin Luther was a Judaic!!!

  71. Wolf on October 13th, 2008 5:30 pm

    Martin Luther was initially sympathetic to the Jews as this quote by him attests:

    “The Jews are blood-relations of our Lord; if it were proper to boast of flesh and blood, the Jews belong more to Christ than we. I beg, therefore, my dear Papist, if you become tired of abusing me as a heretic, that you begin to revile me as a Jew.”

    It was only later, after it came apparent to him that they would never convert to Christianity did his tune change:

    “Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God’s wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.”

    That’s about as straightforward and blunt as you’re going to get visa vis the kike.

    I’ll cut Luther some slack, once he saw the light and didn’t mince words. Even Michael Jones still holds out hope that Jews can still be saved. It’s not gonna happen, I think their hateful attitude toward humanity is innate. Alex Linder’s remedy is to exterminate Jews. Is that going to far?

  72. Z.O.G. on October 13th, 2008 6:56 pm

    The problem with Jews is not primarily religious. It is racial/biological/genetic. Why can’t you guys get that through your heads?

  73. maurice on October 13th, 2008 8:06 pm

    I think the catholic solution shown by mr Jones is the best one:
    1- protect the jew
    2- control the jew (don’t let him take strategic positions in society)

    When we persecute the jew it will become a marrano and the the situation is worse – you can see the example of this forum…

  74. maurice on October 13th, 2008 8:08 pm

    …and theN the situation is worse…
    (where is edit button????)

  75. roscoe on October 13th, 2008 8:56 pm

    Alex Linder is a provacateur judaic just like Bill White if you ask me. His( and ‘pastor’ Wickstrom’s) call to exterminate judaics is just a ploy to defame the GWB

  76. roscoe on October 13th, 2008 9:00 pm

    I don’t want to exterminate the judaic but on the other hand wouldn’t bother protecting them.

  77. maurice on October 13th, 2008 10:07 pm

    The complete meaning is:
    1 – Keep the “jewish Question” well in mind in midia and education,
    2 – But protect the jews from pogroms and persecutions and allow them to follow their religion;
    3- At the same time, as they do not need to become “crypto”, avoid openening strategic positions to them.

    I know that nowadays also this is near to Utopy but which is the other solution?

  78. Wolf on October 13th, 2008 10:28 pm

    Another solution?

    How about the following as a start.

    For anyone who self identifies as a Jew or is found to secretly be a Jew or otherwise hangs out with Jews:

    Revoke their citizenship.
    Prohibit them from holding any governmental office.
    Prohibit them from working in any news related Media.
    Prohibit them from working in the legal profession.
    Prohibit them from marrying and or procreating with White people.

    These simple laws worked to great effect in 1930s and 40s Germany.

    Remember the stakes: The destruction of Western Civilization, genocide of European peoples, global nuclear war and or global slavery under a Talmudic Anti-Christ system.

  79. maurice on October 13th, 2008 10:57 pm

    yes, this is part of the point 3 – “avoid openening strategic positions to them.”

    but what do you think about the two first points?

  80. roscoe on October 13th, 2008 11:31 pm

    The Prev Poster as usual leaves out the real reason for the German( and Italian) racial laws. Judaics pushed Hitler to sak judaics because the they( zionista faction) wanted their people out of Europe before the fireworks started and sent to Paiestine.

    The only solution I have for judaics is to attempt to convert them– not much chance of that though.

  81. maurice on October 13th, 2008 11:40 pm

    When we tried to convert we saw what happend…

  82. katman on October 13th, 2008 11:52 pm

    you guys are a real trip maurice, a real bleepin trip………

    ha ha ha

    anyway, i think this is where we are going finanically as of the events of the last few weeks..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwean_dollar

  83. Wolf on October 14th, 2008 12:21 am

    What the Jews are doing to the Palastinians is horrible but not my problem.

    I wouldn’t shed a tear if every last Yid living in traditionally European White countries emigrated to Israel.

    Too bad for the Muslims but there’s no love lost between them and Christendom. They’ll just have to deal with it the best they can.

  84. Dietrich on October 14th, 2008 12:45 pm

    “The problem with Jews is not primarily religious. It is racial/biological/genetic. Why can’t you guys get that through your heads?”

    ZOG,

    This is because too many of them see the problem through the lens of religious competition. Christianity is reformed Judaism (universalized for all peoples, natch), so there is a very thick dynamic at work there–more like a mother/daughter relationship than one of ethnic or racial competition.

    Even when Christians persecuted Jews, it was to get them to convert. Again, (it can’t be stated enough) Christianity is a universal faith, the implied being that all are equal and that there is nothing racial in the mix that cannot be cured by a perceived adoption of the faith. Someone here already mentioned the Maranos, so I’ll leave that for further study for anyone interested in why the Christian assumption is incorrect.

  85. Dietrich on October 14th, 2008 12:50 pm

    “Too bad for the Muslims but there’s no love lost between them and Christendom. They’ll just have to deal with it the best they can.”

    . . . another great example of the flaws in fighting for our liberation on the basis of religion. Know that old thing about all hanging together or hanging separately? Do not let the enemy divide and rule you. Until we are liberated, we’re *all* Palestinians, because the Palestinians are a great illustration of what Jews do to people when they have such control over them.

  86. Peter Schaenk on October 14th, 2008 1:17 pm

    I would suggest you read the latest article on VoR entitled;

    “BRING ORDER TO THE UNIVERSE; KILL A GENTILE”

    It may give you more understanding into the mind of Jews and their motivation for world domination.

    It is not biological at all. It is primarily spiritual, as not all Jews are related racially. They come in all stripes and colors.

    Anyone can become a Jew through conversion.

    Your premise is flawed, as it’s origin is based on Jewish propaganda to destroy the Gentile’s faith in the God of their ancestors.

    This is necessary to create a Jew World Order.

  87. roscoe on October 14th, 2008 1:47 pm

    A Catholic is not a ‘gentile’ as the Roman Church is in possession of the Law at this time.

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM#4mand #6

  88. Dietrich on October 14th, 2008 2:12 pm

    “It is not biological at all. It is primarily spiritual, as not all Jews are related racially. They come in all stripes and colors.”

    Not really, although it is also a bit of a shortcut to say that Jews are a race. Jew is a notion that is neither racial nor religious but is rather a criminal conspiracy that poses as either when the need arises.

    You say Jews come in all colors and can convert–surely you do not need me to show you the examples of Jews not taking converts or “black Jews” seriously.

    “The God of our ancestors” depends on how far you want to go back. if you prefer to stop the clock on our ancestors at the moment they converted to Christianity, there are 1001 ways to show how more often than not they were either tricked or forced into conversion–both eastern (in this case, Jewish) notions of how the social fabric is woven. Christianity, as with other eastern religions, is based on comforting faiths versus the western notion of tough-minded realities.

    Before, religion was more of an enjoyable thing, where gods were mere abstractions of human concerns and activities. Behavior governed by notions of honor versus the eastern concern of moral piety and guilt. Think: carrot / stick.

    Christianity indeed half surrendered to the conquered Rome in adopting her political structures, but the basic tenants of the slave mentality stand intact. A quick word here–the eastern slave mentality may be illustrated by the Christian notion of, “He who is least among you . . . ” In traditional western culture, he who is least among you is probably that way because he’s daft, lazy, or a scoundrel, but Christianity–we we all know–appealed to women and slaves first, whereas the men preferred more masculine gods. One could argue–and I do–that what we have with Christianity is another example of revolutionary Jews infecting western culture with their own notions while using the underclass to fill out the ranks in the war against the overclass (see 20th century America).

    It hurts because it’s true.

    -DM

  89. Dietrich on October 14th, 2008 2:14 pm

    “A Catholic is not a ‘gentile’ as the Roman Church is in possession of the Law at this time. ”

    So, Catholics are the real Jews? Oy vey! >=7

  90. Z.O.G. on October 14th, 2008 3:16 pm

    “So, Catholics are the real Jews? Oy vey! >=7″

    Of course, Dietrich. Didn’t you know? The central question of all the Middle Eastern monotheistic religions is “who be da real Jews ‘n sheeit?”

    LOL :-)

  91. Dietrich on October 14th, 2008 3:22 pm

    =[

    Perhaps we could settle the question for the ages by listing a number of products and seeing what percentage of them can be gotten for wholesale by each group.

  92. roscoe on October 14th, 2008 5:31 pm

    The difference between a judaic and a gentile in the OT is that the judaics had the Law. In case no one has heard, this is no longer the way it is.

  93. Dietrich on October 14th, 2008 6:37 pm

    This, of course, is an article of faith. IOW, those not of your faith need something tangible.

  94. Z.O.G. on October 14th, 2008 7:07 pm

    The Black Israelites claim that THEY are the real Jews! And they make a pretty darn convincing argument of it too. I think you Catholics have your work cut out for you.

    LOL :-)

  95. roscoe on October 14th, 2008 8:12 pm

    Who is or isn’t the real judaics or lost tribes is irrelevant at this time fools.

    As far as something ‘tangible’, I have already explained that the system of music as well as the calendar used by the world today both originate in the Roman Church.

    Oh– I forgot–Dietrich digs Ravi Shankar.

  96. Dietrich on October 14th, 2008 8:31 pm

    The only thing you showed is that you don’t know when to quit arguing music with someone who knows far better.

    Also, the gregorian calendar is a mere adjustment from earlier calendars–in this case the Julian calendar. The closest thing you have to fact here is that “JC” may be a foundational figure in the way we measure the months, just be sure to mumble heavily when mentioning that “JC” is Julius Caesar. Hey, you know “JC” was Pontifex Maximus, right? =D

    You can believe it or not, but what passes for an argument on your side doesn’t make anything fact. Feel free to try again, but last time you basically stumbled over yourself when you ran into the least bit of resistance. Collect yourself, gain your sources, and try again. And last, try addressing the Christianity as based in eastern philosophy assertion I made. I’m surprised nobody’s taken me up on that, which is probably the most damning thing that can be said about Christianity from a western standpoint–except the fact that you worship a Jew, but that’s just excessive.

  97. katman on October 14th, 2008 9:43 pm
  98. Wolf on October 14th, 2008 10:13 pm

    Jessie Jackson believes “Zionists … have controlled American policy for decades” and an Obama win would spell the end to “decades of putting Israel’s interests first”.

    So why did Obama nominate a suck-up Zionist like Joe Biden?

    I will say my regard for Jackson has improved… slightly.

    But then he goes on to talk about “the suffocating injustice and the ugly racism that exists in our society”

    He’s still a race whore who’s made a living off instilling false guilt in Whites for financial and political advantage.

    Nothing will change.

    Screw him and his mongrel homeboy.

  99. Z.O.G. on October 14th, 2008 10:29 pm

    If NegrObama is opposed to the interests of Israel, then why is his chief campaign strategist a Jew(David Axelrod)? Why is the head of his fund-raising committee a Jewess(Penny Pritzker)? Why did he travel to Israel and grovel to the Jews at the wailing wall? Why did he make a speech and grovel to the Jews at the AIPAC conference?

    NegrObama is a total creation of the Jew media and he owes his entire political career to rich powerful Jews in Chicago. He will do whatever his masters tell him to, and he will do it with a smile on his face. That you can be sure of.

  100. Z.O.G. on October 14th, 2008 10:41 pm

    Hey, guys, let’s not stray from the only question that really matters in all of this, okay?

    WHO BE DA REEL JEWS ‘N SHEEIT?

    :-)

  101. Z.O.G. on October 14th, 2008 10:56 pm

    Oh, and one more thing about NegrObama.

    His number one corporate campaign contributor by dollar amount is the Jewish investment bank GOLDMAN SACHS.

    ;-)

  102. Peter Schaenk on October 15th, 2008 1:47 am

    “Behavior governed by notions of honor”

    Do you mean rape, looting and human sacrifice?

    “whereas the men preferred more masculine gods”

    The German tribes worshipped Isis among other gods.

    “It hurts because it’s true”

    Indeed.

  103. Mr. Pagan on October 15th, 2008 2:26 am

    See now there you go. Talking like an jerk Peter. You just can’t stop can you? All the pagans were perverts and rapists. Sure right, you’re an idiot. Rome and Greece were just afterthoughts. There was no culture there. I’m sure that you’ll paint it that way in your next broadcast. Our original beliefs were dessimated by semitic doctrine. And you think that is ok? Look, I’ve been respectful of you and your belief. And I completely agree with you on so much. But you have to go on like a nutjob.

    For one who talks tall about mending fences you sure as hel are THE ONE sowing the discord. And you darn well know it.

  104. Mr. Pagan on October 15th, 2008 2:38 am

    Peter, btw, don’t make me disseminate the pagan roots of your parted-together judaic bible.

    Akhenaton’s Hymn to the Sun = Psalms (a judaic rewrite).
    The 10 Commandments = Stolen from Egyptian book of the dead.
    Noah epic = Epic of Gilgamesh (a judaic rewrite).

    I’m a professional and know what I am talking about.

    The list goes on, so please, don’t make me knock that selective version of xtianity chip off of your shoulders.

  105. Peter Schaenk on October 15th, 2008 3:47 am

    “See now there you go. Talking like an jerk Peter. You just can’t stop can you? All the pagans were perverts and rapists. Sure right, you’re an idiot.”

    Your answer speaks volumes with regards to your intellect and “professionalism”.

    I am using the historic record based on Tacitus. If you don’t like it, take it up with him. He was a pagan, so he had no incentive to write a negative history about the pagan tribes of Germania.

    You my friend, have no grasp of the history of your own people.

  106. Mr. PAgan on October 15th, 2008 5:23 am

    “You my friend, have no grasp of the history of your own people.”

    No, I would assert that of you. Again, I’ve been very respecting of you and agree with many things you’ve said. You even won me over on a lot of your assertions about western civilization Pete. But you go on and on like a zealot. That is not acceptable.

    As far as Tacitus, you quote him in half-truths. You state nothing of the full story nor DO YOU address my past comments on Christianity and Dispensationalism. Convienent isn’t that?

  107. maurice on October 15th, 2008 5:38 am

    about “The 10 Commandments = Stolen from Egyptian book of the dead.”

    Is normal that parts of the Natural Law, the “Logos”, one find in other religions:

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
    The Egyptians show the workings of conscience. In the “Book of the Dead” we find an examination of conscience, or rather profession of innocence, before the Supreme Judge after death. Two confessions are given enunciating most of the virtues (chap. cxxv): reverence for God; duties to the dead; charity to neighbours; duties of superiors and subjects; care for human life and limb; chastity, honesty, truthfulness, and avoidance of slander; freedom from covetousness.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04268a.htm

    The Egyptian idea of the judgment is set forth with great precision of detail in the “Book of the Dead”, a collection of formulae designed to aid the dead in their passage through the underworld (EGYPT).
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08549a.htm

  108. maurice on October 15th, 2008 6:01 am

    about “The 10 Commandments = Stolen from Egyptian book of the dead.”

    Is normal that parts of the Natural Law, the “Logos”, one find in other religions:

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
    The Egyptians show the workings of conscience. In the “Book of the Dead” we find an examination of conscience, or rather profession of innocence, before the Supreme Judge after death. Two confessions are given enunciating most of the virtues (chap. cxxv): reverence for God; duties to the dead; charity to neighbours; duties of superiors and subjects; care for human life and limb; chastity, honesty, truthfulness, and avoidance of slander; freedom from covetousness.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04268a.htm

    The Egyptian idea of the judgment is set forth with great precision of detail in the “Book of the Dead”, a collection of formulae designed to aid the dead in their passage through the underworld (EGYPT).
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08549a.htm

  109. maurice on October 15th, 2008 6:08 am

    about: Noah epic = Epic of Gilgamesh

    Because of the striking resemblances between the two many maintain that the Biblical account is derived from the Babylonian. But the differences are so many and so important that this view must be pronounced untenable.
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11088a.htm

  110. maurice on October 15th, 2008 6:13 am

    about: Noah epic = Epic of Gilgamesh

    Because of the striking resemblances between the two many maintain that the Biblical account is derived from the Babylonian. But the differences are so many and so important that this view must be pronounced untenable.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11088a.htm

  111. maurice on October 15th, 2008 8:19 am

    about “Noah epic = Epic of Gilgamesh”

    The greatest similarity between Hebrew and Babylonian records is in their accounts of the Flood. Pir-napistum, the Babylonian Noah, commanded by Ea, builds a ship and transfers hither his family, the beasts of the field, and the sons of the artificers, and he shuts the door. Six days and nights the wind blew, the flood overwhelmed the land. The seventh day the storm ceased; quieted, the sea shrank back; all mankind had turned to corruption. The ship stopped at the land of Nisir. Pir-napistum sends out first a dove, which returns; then a swallow, and it returns, then a raven, and it does not return. He leaves the ship, pours out a libation, makes an offering on the peak of the mountain. “The gods smelled a savour, the gods smelled a sweet savour, the gods gathered like flies over the sacrificer.” No one reading the Babylonian account of the Flood can deny its intimate connection with the narrative in Genesis, yet the former is so intimately bound up with Babylonian mythology, that the inspired character of the Hebrew account is the better appreciated by the contrast.
    from Catholic Encyclopedia
    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02179b.htm

    and so?

  112. Dietrich on October 15th, 2008 12:16 pm

    “Do you mean rape, looting and human sacrifice?”

    Peter, you should know better than to think anyone here is talking about a mythical time where there was zero criminality (human sacrifice being the way a community dealt with those who raped, looted), no matter if it was the gods of our pre-Christian ancestors, or the tribal God of the Jews.

    “The German tribes worshipped Isis among other gods.”

    Historians are doubtful now. In short, the Roman writers syncretized the gods they knew with the rites they saw practiced by those about whom they were writing. Tacitus and others wrote this way, so this goes far back. For instance, the German god of war was auto-assumed to be Mars. That’s the good thing about paganism, they all believed they worshiped the same “numina,” so there was no zero-sum game going about–they could all be “right” without one or the other having to be killed. That’s Jewish.

    But the larger point I think could be made that indeed, Christianity was not the first or only eastern cult to make headway in the Roman Empire, the Dionysian mysteries being one well-known example, yet there are perhaps a dozen or more, including that of Isis. They all featured the same eastern, feminizing, worship of the generative, comforting power of the feminine versus that of the heroic deeds of the masculine. The eastern cults also set themselves apart by claiming that practitioners went to “heaven” rather than Tartaros, or a shadowy underworld from which Catholics take their notion of purgatory.

    Here’s one that sticks–When the Russian dutchess Olga was in Constantinople with her son (~900 CE), considering conversion to Christianity (which she did, going on to be the driving force behind conversion of the Russian people), she tried to convince her son to convert to the chiding and howls of laughter from the son’s retinue, since Christianity was obviously not something for free men, but for women and slaves.

    “Indeed.”

    Good men go with bad arguments because it hurts.

    Say, Catholics pray to a women, don’t they?

  113. Z.O.G. on October 15th, 2008 12:32 pm

    “Mr. Pagan” is right. The ancient Jews stole pretty much their entire religion from the Egyptians, the Babylonians, and the Sumerians. There’s not an original idea or story in the Old Testament. The very idea of monotheism was taken directly from the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaton’s sun worship cult of Aton.

  114. Dietrich on October 15th, 2008 12:50 pm

    I am using the historic record based on Tacitus. If you don’t like it, take it up with him. He was a pagan, so he had no incentive to write a negative history about the pagan tribes of Germania.

    LMAO

    Hard to let this one slide, although I know I prolly should . . .

    Tacitus had a multitude of very good reasons to tell a selective and/or altered version of the Germans. Your thinking that Tacitus would have no motivation for writing something negative about someone who shared their “religion” shows that you’re still thinking like a monotheist. I think if you could somehow measure the “religious kinship” felt between Tacitus and the Germans, it would be nonexistent. They simply didn’t think that way, much like how the Indians in America felt not kinship as Indians, and indeed had no word for “Indian,” but for Cherokee, Navajo, etc.

    Historiography wasn’t what it is now until the twentieth century, meaning that history was told for reasons other than pure interest in what is. In Tac’s case, his writing of Germania was a way for his aristocratic class to use the virtue of the Germans to beat the Emperors and the swarthy underclass that kept them in power over the head.

    Much or all of his writing was done from accounts, twice-removed, and even those were of romanized Germans living near the border.

    These Germans had lived around, married, and traded with Romans for generations by the time Tac wrote about them, so they’re not exactly the type of axe-wielding barbarians we know and love from the cartoons.

    The Germans terrified the hell out of the Romans. The Disaster of the Teutoburgenwald shook the Romans to the core. Perhaps the greatest politician of all time, Augustus Caesar, spent his last years reportedly banging his head against the doors of his manor, not having cut his hair or beard, screaming, “Varus, give me back my legions!” after Germans annihilated Lucius Varus’ column in S. Germany in 14 CE.

    In the two generations before, legions were destroyed in SE Gaul by Germans who, like their brother Gauls, were admittedly better warriors man for man. Tactitus was surely writing in the tradition of martial blackening.

  115. Dietrich on October 15th, 2008 12:52 pm

    ZOG,

    Don’t forget the Zoroastrians, who were probably the first monotheists. They had a tale of a guy with long hair who lost his strength when it was cut, a tale of a great flood, a David and Goliath, and others I can’t recall at the moment . . .

  116. Dietrich on October 15th, 2008 12:56 pm

    You my friend, have no grasp of the history of your own people.

    Tongue . . . . bleeding . . . . .

    close . . . . . window . . . . . .

  117. maurice on October 15th, 2008 7:14 pm

    “The very idea of monotheism was taken…”
    =
    normal quote of an atheist

  118. maurice on October 15th, 2008 7:25 pm

    Monotheism comes from Natural Law. So is normal many religions adopted it.

  119. Peter Schaenk on October 15th, 2008 7:30 pm

    That”s an interesting argument Dietrich, except for the fact that Tacitus is the historian that the “Pagan” Rob used to show that barbarians of Germania were “moral” people with a “moral code”.

    I figured what was good for the goose was good for the gander.

    However, anyone reading Tacitus, which I would advise everyone to do before criticizing his work, would not walk away thinking he was writing a biased version of history, as he lays much praise on the German tribes. In fact his reporting of their habits re human sacrifice, looting and rape were not as much from condemnation as observation.

    The one quote where he sounds judgemental is his account of the German warrior’s laziness. He found it puzzling that these great warriors spent much of their time, when not fighting, laying around the house all day.

    It looks like Germans weren’t always the industrious hard working people that we know and love today.

    I wonder what changed?

    Christian work ethic perhaps?

    It is a sin to be lazy according to Christian teachings.

    Well let’s not confuse things for the Atheists and Pagans, we don’t want to give anyone a headache.

    Whether or not Isis is the same goddess as the semitic version, is neither here nor there. However, Tacitus seemed to think so, as he said it was an “imported” belief.

    You stated that pagan men worshipped masculine gods, It is an incorrect statement. Isis or a close facimile was a goddess.

    “Historiography wasn’t what it is now until the twentieth century, meaning that history was told for reasons other than pure interest in what is. In Tac’s case, his writing of Germania was a way for his aristocratic class to use the virtue of the Germans to beat the Emperors and the swarthy underclass that kept them in power over the head.”

    LMAO

    Yeah, I know. History in the twentieth century is much more accurate, especially with the infusion of Political Correctness and Jew historians who have been rewriting history for the last 75-100 years to undermine Christianity and Western Civilization.

    Is Tacitus a reliable source?

    Here are what scholars / historians have to say about Tacitus:

    Syme, who was regarded as one of the foremost Tacitean scholars, says [Sym.Tac, 398] “the prime quality of Cornelius Tacitus is distrust. It was needed if a man were to write about the Caesars.” He adds [ibid., 281, 282] that Tacitus “was no stranger to industrious investigation” and his “diligence was exemplary.”

    Chilver [Chilv.Tac, 24] indicates that “for Tacitus scepticism was inescapable is not to be doubted.”

    Martin [Mart.Tac, 211] , though noting difficulties about discerning Tacitus’ exact sources, says that “It is clear, then, that Tacitus read widely and that the idea that he was an uncritical follower of a single source is quite untenable.”

    Dudley [Dud.Tac, 29] notes that despite problems in discerning what sources Tacitus used, “it may be said with some confidence that the view that Tacitus followed a single authority no longer commands support.”

    Mellor [Mell.Tac, 20, 45] observes that although he made use of other sources, including friends like Pliny, Tacitus “does not slavishly follow, as some of his Roman predecessors did, the vagaries of his sources.” He adds (ibid., 31-2) that, “If research is the consultation and evaluation of sources, there can be little doubt that Tacitus engaged in serious research though it is not often apparent in the smooth flow of his narrative.” Tacitus “consulted both obscure and obvious sources,” and “distinguishes fact from rumor with a scrupulosity rare in any ancient historian.”

    Benario [Benar.Tac, 87] tells us that Tacitus “chose judiciously among his sources, totally dependent upon none, and very often, at crucial points, ignored the consensus of his predecessors to impose his own viewpoint and his own judgment.”

    Wellesley [Dor.Tac, 65-6] remarks that investigation “very seldom shows (Tacitus) to be false to fact” and that archaeology has shown that “only once or twice is Tacitus found guilty of a small slip.” He adds: “When the sources differ and the truth is hard to decipher, (Tacitus) takes refuge in ambiguous language or the balance of alternative and sometimes spiteful variants,” rather than doing original research to determine which option is the truth. We may note that there is no such ambiguous language in the Christus cite.

    Finally, Momigliano[Momig.CFou, 111-2] , while pointing out that Tacitus was of course “not a researcher in the modern sense,” nevertheless says that he was “a writer whose reliability cannot be seriously questioned.” He cites only one possible major error by Tacitus, but puts it down to him relying on a trusted predecessor rather than official records.

    I’d say Tacitus was rather reliable.

    The anti-Christ coalition makes strange bedfellows;

    Atheists, Pagans, Jews.

    You can’t tell who your team members are without a scorecard around here.

  120. Dietrich on October 20th, 2008 7:49 pm

    That’’s an interesting argument Dietrich, except for the fact that Tacitus is the historian that the “Pagan” Rob used to show that barbarians of Germania were “moral” people with a “moral code”.

    Doesn’t matter to me one way or the other. I was merely pointing out that you were wrong saying that Tac wouldn’t have a motivation to speak badly about the Germans because they were both pagan. That shows a fundamental non-understanding of even the most basic on-the-ground facts here. I’d fall back to a more defensible position. This one is a non-starter.

    I figured what was good for the goose was good for the gander.

    The same could be said about Jews and Christians, as they are easily more theologically related than Tac and the Germanic Tribes (good name for a band).

    However, anyone reading Tacitus, which I would advise everyone to do before criticizing his work, would not walk away thinking he was writing a biased version of history, as he lays much praise on the German tribes.

    He is biased. That much hasn’t been disputed since they found the bulk of his material, but it helps a little to understand how he was biased, I thought, so that’s why I listed the reasons. As simply as I can put it, I’d say that Tac wrote in criticism of empire and the “diversity” the polyglot of eastern peoples (with their religions) brought to Rome. The Germans had the old school values, so Tac was using them as a club to beat his contemporaries over the head. It’s fair to say that Tac may have been biased in ways too many to count, but not with regards to religion in the way you guessed.

    In fact his reporting of their habits re human sacrifice, looting and rape were not as much from condemnation as observation.

    a) It’s a good thing Judeo-Christianity stopped all the rape.
    b) Let’s kill the ambiguity and have a citation so that an examination is possible.

    The one quote where he sounds judgemental is his account of the German warrior’s laziness. He found it puzzling that these great warriors spent much of their time, when not fighting, laying around the house all day.

    That’s what warriors do when they’re not fighting. But srsly, they thought the Germans were barbarians because they drank beer instead of wine. Can you at least gain a small appreciation for the historiography at the time from such a small example?

    It looks like Germans weren’t always the industrious hard working people that we know and love today.

    It looks like Germans weren’t always the degenerate, multi-cult, jew-servile, Obama-loving wankers that we know and love today. Wonder what changed?

    Christian work ethic perhaps?

    “Christian work ethic?” I thought it was a “Protestant work ethic.” Google bears this out (5000 hits vs. 110000 hits).

    It is a sin to be lazy according to Christian teachings.

    Of course it is–gotta go make Big Jew lots of krazy kwa bucks. The slave who saves loses, while the slave who invests his money is the dear one. Very eastern, that.

    Well let’s not confuse things for the Atheists and Pagans, we don’t want to give anyone a headache.

    If thinking gives you a headache, you may not want to admit it. Atheists don’t believe in God, Pagans believe in the gods of our ancestors. It’s not really that hard. It’s far and away more a difference than Catholics/Protestants, or Christians/Jews.

    Whether or not Isis is the same goddess as the semitic version, is neither here nor there.

    Hmm. It is when you’re calling them the same, but whatever. =]

    However, Tacitus seemed to think so, as he said it was an “imported” belief.

    As said, Christianity wasn’t the only eastern mythology infecting Europe at the time.

    You stated that pagan men worshipped masculine gods, It is an incorrect statement. Isis or a close facimile was a goddess.

    Not to make your headache worse, but it is possible for the worship of a female god to be masculine, just as it is a fact that there are (as in the case of Christianity) examples of male-god worship that are feminine.

    “Historiography wasn’t what it is now until the twentieth century, meaning that history was told for reasons other than pure interest in what is. In Tac’s case, his writing of Germania was a way for his aristocratic class to use the virtue of the Germans to beat the Emperors and the swarthy underclass that kept them in power over the head.”

    LMAO

    It’s true. While the “swarthy” part I add as part of my own interpretation, this has been the understanding of Tac for hundreds of years, Peter. The seminal popular texts are both easy to read and informative (Gibbon’s “Rise and Fall,” and Durant’s “Caesar and Christ”). Your local library should have both.

    Yeah, I know. History in the twentieth century is much more accurate, especially with the infusion of Political Correctness and Jew historians who have been rewriting history for the last 75-100 years to undermine Christianity and Western Civilization.

    Academic history is fairly well written, and has been since the 19th century (note how there is no founding academic work on the holocaust). You’re (rightly) taking a stab at modern popular history (for the non-footnoting public).

    I sometimes explain it this way: there are many levels to things called “history,” and this is just talking about the contemporary! There are guys who go dig in the ground for artifacts, and bring electron microscopes to bear on two-thousand year old scrolls, and they go write primary-source, academic works with 2pt. fonts, lots of Latin, and black/white charts. Guys like me love this stuff, so if/when we notice something interesting that exists across what something the coin/trash-digger guys and the literary text guys write, we write something for history journals. The modern versions of Gibbon and Durant (or perhaps the Catholic historian who told you about Tacitus) read a bunch of those and compile the “history for the non-footnoting public.” From there, it makes its way onto educational television, popular news publications, and the backs of cereal boxes.

    Your Jew-infusion comes in at the part for the non-footnoting public, since real academic historians can’t even imagine using his data to moralize. The coin-digger guys just love their numismatics, and frankly, how do you put morality into that? It is those who write for public consumption that notice more coins were found in the rich part of Pompeii than the poor, and go on to some Marxist screed about wealth distribution, and I fall asleep right around there.

    It’s hard for those who haven’t done serious study into primary source material from pre-renaissance times, but “history” wasn’t always “history” the way we think of it today as a summary, critique, interpretation, etc, of relevant sources.

    Is Tacitus a reliable source?

    I’d say Tacitus was rather reliable.

    Peter, lol, read what you pasted from your scholars. They’re all basically right, of course, but they don’t say he was unbiased, just that he was doing the best he could with what he was trying to do (and it wasn’t “history” as we know it).

    From the Columbia academic encyclopedia:

    Archaeology bears out the accuracy of Tacitus, but the work is not objective; (emph mine) it is a picture of the simple Germans glorified by comparison with the corruption and luxurious immorality of the Romans. This moral purpose and severe criticism of contemporary Rome, fallen from the virtuous vigor of the old republic, also underlies his two long works, commonly called in English the Histories (of which four books and part of a fifth survive) and the Annals (of which twelve books—Books I-VI, XI-XVI—survive). The extant books of the Histories cover only the reign of Galba (a.d. 68–69) and the beginning (to a.d. 70) of the reign of Vespasian but give a thorough view of Roman life—persons, places, and events. The surviving books of the Annals tell of the reign of Tiberius, of the last years of Claudius, and of the first years of Nero. The account contains incisive character sketches, ironic passages, and eloquent moral conclusions. The declamatory writing of the Dialogus is replaced in the historical works by a polished and highly individual style, a wide range of vocabulary, and an intricate and startling syntax.
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    The anti-Christ coalition makes strange bedfellows;

    Oh, I don’t know, any time I argue with a Jew, they always remind me how Jesus was one. I think he might work for those guys or something.

    Atheists, Pagans, Jews.

    You can’t tell who your team members are without a scorecard around here.

    C-. See me after class.

  121. maurice on October 20th, 2008 9:03 pm

    “they always remind me how Jesus was one”

    and you of course believe them…

  122. maurice on October 20th, 2008 9:20 pm

    Peter why don’t you discuss with Dietrich on your show? He keeps attacking Christianity in this useless “forum”.

  123. maurice on October 20th, 2008 9:22 pm

    Oh, maybe Peter is not reading these BS anymore…

  124. maurice on October 20th, 2008 9:37 pm

    To call Jesus a Jew is blasphemy

    Jesus was a descendant of Judah, Jacob’s fourth son, and therefore a Judaean in the most literal sense, by direct physical descent. Both St Matthew and St Luke make this very clear in their genealogies, which trace the ancestry of His foster-father St Joseph and His Mother Mary respectively (Mt 1:2, Lk 3:33). Jesus Himself freely acknowledged that He was a Judaean when He spoke to the woman at the well (Jn 4:22), and Pontius Pilate was clearly inspired to proclaim this same truth when he had inscribed on Our Lord’s titulus crucis “King of the Judaeans”.

    Now the term Judaean has three distinct meanings in Sacred Scripture. Early on it had been applied to the Southern Kingdom of Israel, consisting of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin (2 Kg 16:6). Later on it came to be used more loosely to refer to any descendant of Abraham. Finally, the early Church ceded the application of this term to Our Lord’s religious enemies, who clearly liked to apply it to themselves. Thus, in the New Testament, the term Judaeans gradually evolved to refer in a more and more exclusive manner to those renegade Judaeans who rejected the Messiah and persecuted His followers.

    Nowadays, of course, we have a distinct word for these renegade Judaeans: Jews. This term denotes members of the Christ-rejecting, Bible-nullifying religion of the followers of the Talmud and Kabbalah, the spiritual descendants of the Pharisees. However, the Sacred Scriptures themselves never speak of Jews. The Greek word used is always ioudaioi (Latin iudaei). As far as we know, the English word Jew was first coined by the 14th century heretic John Wycliffe. He spelt it iewe. It was finally standardised as Jew in 1775 (in Sheridan’s play The Rivals). Clearly English Bible translations should always translate the Greek word ioudaios correctly as Judaean, never by the late bastard term Jew.

    Now God intended His Holy Church to define Her vocabulary more and more precisely over the centuries, and this she has done spectacularly well in many areas. However, owing to the nefarious influence of those who love to muddy the waters, many members of the Church still manifest hopeless mental confusion by indiscriminately substituting the word Jew for Judaean. In other words, they continue to apply the same word Jew to both Our Lord and His blessed Mother on the one hand and to the followers of the Synagogue of Satan on the other – and this despite Our Lord’s implicit admonition not to do so (Apocalypse 2:9, 3:9). In our view, to describe Jesus as a Jew is not just erroneous but (objectively speaking) blasphemous.

    http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/

  125. Scott on October 20th, 2008 10:23 pm

    maurice wrote: Peter why don’t you discuss with Dietrich on your show? He keeps attacking Christianity in this useless “forum”.

    Exactly:

    “A house divided against itself cannot stand,”

  126. Z.O.G. on October 20th, 2008 11:02 pm

    Clearly you guys don’t have any experience with trying to argue with American Judeo-Christians. You’re way out of your league. No matter what you say, they’ll just keep saying things like this:

    “Yeah, but Jesus was a Jew!”

    LOL :-D

  127. Z.O.G. on October 20th, 2008 11:03 pm

    “God said he will bless those who bless the Jews, and curse those who curse the Jews.”

    LOL :-D

  128. Z.O.G. on October 20th, 2008 11:08 pm

    Gee, that’s a nice little copy and paste essay explaining how Jesus wasn’t REALLY a Jew. I’m sure you’ll really go far with that. LOL Let me know if you ever get an American Judeo-Christian to ever READ THAT, much less UNDERSTAND IT, much less AGREE WITH IT.

    LOL

    “Jesus was a Jew.”

  129. maurice on October 20th, 2008 11:53 pm

    Our Lord Jesus Christ is God (doesn’t matter which race or nationality). He is GOD, and you ZOG are joking with HIM.
    Hope HE pardon you…

  130. roscoe on October 21st, 2008 1:27 am

    Lord ZOG– The problem with your Cabalist attempt to equate Chistianity to Judaicism is the meaning of the word Jew. I do not utilise the word because having looked it up in the dictionary once I discovered that it is considered by some judaics to be offensive– hence my adoption of the word Judaic.

    However I also discovered something else. There were other definitions to the word as well. In fact there are numerous dictionaries that can be found on INET and one could probably come up with 30 or 40 definitions by going through them all. At the same time I noticed that just about every word in the dictionary can have multiple meanings, interpretations, definitions and inflections.

    There are other traditions of other than Europeans that have a great past catastrophy as part of their folklore. This would tend to collaborate with the Biblical flood story. Why waste time trying to deflect the Infallible Constituion of Holy Church

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM#4 and 6

  131. Dietrich on October 21st, 2008 12:09 pm

    “they always remind me how Jesus was one”

    and you of course believe them…

    Don’t confuse my taking peoples’ faith on their own terms with believing in it. In other words, Jesus can not be supported as a historical figure because we do not have contemporary evidence of him that passes any standard. We have court transcripts from Roman courts–nothing about Jesus.

    Since Jesus doesn’t really exist as a historical figure, it is what people believe that is important, and I would guess that 99% of Christians believe that Jesus was a Jew, so “he” is. Srsly, go take it up with them, because I could hardly care less if you were arguing over the lineage of Capt. Crunch, or if you were a bunch of nerds arguing over whether Luke Skywalker was really Vader’s son–turns out, I simply cannot be arsed.

    I am beginning to think that Christians are just amateur Jews.

  132. Dietrich on October 21st, 2008 12:17 pm

    Why waste time trying to deflect the Infallible Constituion [sic] of Holy Church

    Why waste time trying to call anything made of man, “infallible.”

    Hey, remember how you said that the musical scale was infallible, and you tried to argue with a lifelong musician who went to music school (me) over it? Here’s the article I couldn’t be arsed to write, since you would probably say that the imperfections were part of gard’s plan or something. This passage deftly explains how you are incorrect both in the origins of our musical scale, and in its perfection. For bonus points (mine, not yours), the most effective schemes for dealing with the imperfections came about in the 18th century–not by the Catholic Church, I’m afraid:

    http://www.frettek.com/html/body_tech_talk.html

    However, as soon as a second line, or harmony, is played with the melody, you would find that by virtue of the relationship of the sounds, many frequencies sound very harsh and very undesirable. Historically, there have been a variety of schemes for determining the precise relationships which yield pleasing (“consonant”) musical sounds.

    The earliest method is attributed to the ancient Greek scholar, Pythagoras, who is most famous for his theorem related to right angled triangles. Pythagoras is credited with being the first to define the relationship between two consonant notes or pitches.

    For this purpose, he devised a simple instrument called a monochord, which consisted of a single string stretched across two fixed end-supports with an intermediary moveable third support. The third support divided the single string into two separate segments so that, when plucked, one pitch could be produced from each segment.

    By moving the third support along the length of the string, the ratio of the lengths of the two segments could be varied. He found that when the lengths of the segments are in the ratios of 1:1, 1:2, 2:3 or 3:4, plucking the two segments produces pitches that are consonant. (The musical intervals represented by these ratios are the unison, octave, fifth and fourth, respectively.)

    Based solely upon the consonant ratios 1:2, 2:3 and 3:4, a musical scale can be established in which the ratios of the string lengths are entirely comprised of whole numbers. If we start on a note called C, the note C’, an octave higher, will be in the ratio 1:2. The first note between C and C’, a fourth from C to F, is the ratio of 3:4. The second note, a fifth above C, gives the note G at a ratio of 2:3. A fourth below G gives the ratio of 3/2 of 3/4, or 9/8, for the note D. When this process is continued, the major scale, with its ratios, is obtained as follows: C D E F G A B C’ 1:1 8:9 64:81 3:4 2:3 16:27 128:243 1:2. This scale is referred to as the Pythagorean diatonic scale.

    Missing from the diatonic scale are the chromatic notes – the sharps and flats. If one continues with the same process of obtaining the ratios of the string lengths until all of the chromatic notes are found, one observes the curious result that two sizes of semitones exist, and that the size of the semitone depends upon where it occurs and from what starting point it was calculated.

    (One size of semitone, for example, from F to F#, is 2,048:2,187, while the other size of semitone, say, from E to F, is 243:256.) This gives rise to a number of difficulties inherent in this scheme, the result of which is that how consonant a particular note sounds depends upon the reference being used.

    For example, one expects the note B#, which should be the same pitch as C’, to be in the ratio of 1:2. However, if one starts on the note C and reaches B# in 12 steps of a fifth at a time (i.e. C, G, D, A, E, B, F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B#) the note obtained for B# is actually 262,144:531,441 rather than 1:2. The amount of this “error,” which is also exactly the difference in the two sizes of semitones, is referred to as the Pythagorean Comma.

    Its magnitude is 524288:531441, as seen, for example, in the ratio between B#:C’. Practically, this unavoidable consequence of the Pythagorean scheme is of great importance. For example, if you were to play a piece of music in the key of C, if any time the octave C’ was played it produced the pitch of B#, it would sound quite dissonant – it would sound sharp.

    Similarly, if in playing a piece of music you require B# and actually get C’, it too will sound quite dissonant – it will sound flat. For centuries, the means of dealing with this deficiency was to alter the tuning of an instrument to suit the particular key in which a piece of music was played, while also avoiding changing keys into one which would encounter particularly dissonant intervals that resulted from the Pythagorean Comma. In attempts to overcome, or “temper”, the deficiencies of the Pythagorean system, a number of other schemes have been devised, each with varying degrees of acceptance and success.

  133. Dietrich on October 21st, 2008 12:36 pm

    Our Lord Jesus Christ is God (doesn’t matter which race or nationality). He is GOD, and you ZOG are joking with HIM.
    Hope HE pardon you…

    Yep, doesn’t matter which race or nationality, we all bleed red, right? I knew one of you would slip up and admit the multiracial foundations of Christianity sooner or later. Next, you’ll be asking for discounts on gifelte fish. Oy vey. One world, right? LMAO!

    I rest my case! =D

  134. K-Sensor on October 21st, 2008 12:41 pm
  135. K-Sensor on October 21st, 2008 12:42 pm
  136. Dietrich on October 21st, 2008 2:05 pm

    Thanks, K, for supporting my statement that there are no contemporary historical sources (or Christian ones for that matter!) on the historicity of Jesus.

  137. K-Sensor on October 21st, 2008 3:48 pm

    Other words Dietrich you want new material, not artefacts, books, tablets, scrolls, archaeological discoveries, like biblical cities believed to have never existed by atheists before they were dug up, etc.

    Lets face it, the atheists are those in the middle, as the people who are at the other end of the spectrum to Christianity are the wealthy corrupt, players at the top and form the NWO.

    Islam in my opinion was created to attack Christianity. Eastern religions, well they aren’t really faiths, but life-styles copied from various faiths of Egypt and Middle East. Zen and Buddhism,etc, are about placing yourself into a trance or bliss state.

    The Kings and Queens aren’t atheists. Rothschilds aren’t Hitler wasn’t. Bush family neither. Newton wasn’t. Most in the Freemasonry aren’t, The list goes on.

    Ever ask why those at the top inspire people to be non-believers whilst they practice in the background? Something is amiss wouldn’t you agree?

  138. K-Sensor on October 21st, 2008 3:56 pm

    Dark Matter is a fantasy. Black holes are fantasy. Macro Evolution is fantasy. Evolution theory taught is fantasy. Big Bang is fake and therefore fantasy.

    If the Bible isn’t true then we as an existence are missing alot of knowledge and it wont be discovered any time soon whilst we have people perpetuating lies in the universities and other educations fraternities. People deceiving people on fantasies to take them away from an another form of understanding, Christianity.

  139. K-Sensor on October 21st, 2008 3:58 pm

    I think it’s a bad move for Peter to not read and comment here. It’s liken to not talking to fans when your a musician.

  140. maurice on October 21st, 2008 4:45 pm

    seems VOR is showing his true face…

  141. maurice on October 21st, 2008 4:51 pm

    “I think it’s a bad move for Peter to not read and comment here.”

    Maybe he is perceiving what “free speech” really is. He already noted that the “Founding Fathers” had a pact with the demon.

  142. maurice on October 21st, 2008 4:53 pm

    “Yep, doesn’t matter which race or nationality, we all bleed red, right?” –
    why you worry – you said you doesn’t belive, no?

  143. Z.O.G. on October 21st, 2008 5:19 pm

    mo-reese,

    Yeah, we know you hate freedom of thought and freedom of conscience, just like all Catholics do. So if you don’t like free White men expressing their opinions here, then why don’t you get lost? Nobody’s holding a gun to your head.

    Oh, and please get your money back from the teacher of the EFL class you enrolled in, because you got ripped off!

    LOL :-D

  144. maurice on October 21st, 2008 5:27 pm

    ZOGstein, we know very well what all this freedom is bringing to Amerika.
    In few words: only who created this “cult of liberty” which is the same one who have resources to use all this freedom to his own agenda, benefits from it.

    Why you laugh everytime? You have some problem?

    Regards.

  145. Z.O.G. on October 21st, 2008 5:37 pm

    Yes, I know, MO-reese. The Catholic Church has always hated the fact that the United States was founded and built from scratch by free White PROTESTANT men. That’s why Catholics have been trying to tear down and destroy the United States and its culture for some 200 years. I guess you finally succeeded. So I guess you and the Jews have a lot in common. ;-)

  146. Dietrich on October 21st, 2008 5:55 pm

    Other words Dietrich you want new material, not artefacts, [sic] books, tablets, scrolls, archaeological discoveries, like biblical cities. . . .

    No, that’s incorrect, sorry. I would be interested to see anything written about Jesus that is known to have been so in his same generation. Something contemporaneous with his own life would be nice.

    There is something to be said for perspective. With a little in this case, one may note how odd it is that we have so much in the way of court documents from the Romans, but nothing on Jesus until fifty years or so after he lived. There is no way for you around that, you must go on faith. I will not do that because, well, the emperor has no clothes.

    Lets face it, the atheists are those in the middle, as the people who are at the other end of the spectrum to Christianity are the wealthy corrupt, players at the top and form the NWO.

    I don’t really agree with that, don’t really see what it has to do with anything, and don’t understand the point you were trying to make there. =[

    Islam in my opinion was created to attack Christianity.

    heh.

    Eastern religions, well they aren’t really faiths, but life-styles copied from various faiths of Egypt and Middle East. Zen and Buddhism,etc, are about placing yourself into a trance or bliss state.

    No, faith itself is eastern. Indeed, you will find no such concept in ancient western languages.

    Ever ask why those at the top inspire people to be non-believers whilst they practice in the background? Something is amiss wouldn’t you agree?

    Well, I don’t see evidence that “those at the top” are practicing Christianity. Moreover, I try to limit the false authority of “what other people believe and do.” Socrates taught me that. He was western ;)

  147. roscoe on October 21st, 2008 5:56 pm

    Why does Zog repeatedly attack the moniker of maurice( which he can’t even pronounce correctly) ? ZOG is correct when he states that the US was founded by Prot heretics which is the same thing as saying masons.

  148. Dietrich on October 21st, 2008 6:09 pm

    seems VOR is showing his true face…

    The only “true face” being shown here is the one we’ve shown since day 1. There’s a reason it is said, “dare to know,” and not “come read things with which you already agree, that will not challenge your base assumptions, and will tell you what you want to hear 100% of the time.” There are a thousand information outlets on the lamestream if you want that. There’s a reason it’s a “dare,” and it’s not because the truth is always warm and fuzzy.

    This may test some, but VoR is colored only by the hosts. We have no editorial policy that deals with religion, so I wouldn’t impinge on a host’s right to speak about his personal religion. I think it’s obvious that to me personally, it’s just not important enough to form an opinion on. {shrug}

    I pay the webserver bill for this site out of my own pocket. With everything I let stand here in the comments, I’ll be damned if I’m not going to chime in on stuff I think I’m qualified to comment on, as when someone is saying that the Catholic Church invented a perfected diatonic scale (thus proving God), or that Tacitus had no motivation to bias his work in Germania for religious reasons.

    Now don’t get all pissy just because I’m getting the better of you. Wipe the dirt off and try again.

  149. Dietrich on October 21st, 2008 6:14 pm

    “Black holes are fantasy.”

    I dunno. I was pretty impressed when astronomers were able to predict what one would look like, only to be proven correct when we were able to get photos of their effects:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Black_Hole_Milkyway.jpg

  150. roscoe on October 21st, 2008 6:14 pm

    The reason ZOG attacks maurice by name is that he has nothing else.

    KFWB LA has been reporting the last few days something I have not heard in a long time—DWB( a Sharpton phrase==Driving While Black. It seems as if a police study has found that nigerians and mexicans are being stopped because apparently the Police is the GWB and is racist. In these last few weeks, the race card will be played constantly by MSM. I always laugh when Seanitty refers to the other media besides himself as the MSM.

    Just because Peter has stopped commenting here does not mean he is not reading. Don’t worry Shankus==maurice and I can deal with the pagans and heretics here.

  151. Z.O.G. on October 21st, 2008 6:19 pm

    The only thing that you Catholic nut cases can deal with is your local guy in a dress, err…I mean “priest”. :-)

  152. maurice on October 21st, 2008 6:42 pm

    VOR is showing his true face…

  153. maurice on October 21st, 2008 6:46 pm

    “That’s why Catholics have been trying to tear down and destroy the United States”

    yes, together with the reptilians gnomes from Mars

    “I guess you finally succeeded.”

    no, you succeeded giving all “freedom of thought” to the enemy

  154. Dietrich on October 21st, 2008 6:51 pm

    VOR is showing his true face…

    Yeah, you said that and I’ve already processed that humor.

  155. maurice on October 21st, 2008 7:13 pm

    “I’m getting the better of you”

    Compliments if this really matter to you.

    “and not come read things with which you already agree, that will not challenge your base assumptions”

    So the purpose is not seek the truth and spread it but allways “challenge our base assumptions” – rather revolutionary no? But ok, it is your network – but really what we need today is networks that help to create an alliance of American people (forget now the religions now) and start taking back the country with simple and accepted tasks (as the Peter’s “Speak English”). Or “switch off the TV”, “read to your children”, “teach logic (the Trivum)”, etc.
    Only callenging others base assumptions create only divisons, as we can see in this forum.
    Unfortunately there is nobody here to challenge your base assumtion about “freedom of speech”, because I have no time to endless discussions. But I really believe that only who created this “cult of liberty” which is the same one who have resources to use all this freedom to his own agenda, benefits from it.

  156. maurice on October 21st, 2008 7:20 pm

    So… means that after reading VOR for a while and forming some “base assumptions”, I have to quit because I’m not being challenged anymore?

  157. maurice on October 21st, 2008 7:35 pm

    But I know nothing is perfect… VOR still is the best Radionetwork I know.

  158. K-Sensor on October 21st, 2008 7:46 pm

    Funny Black Hole from Wikimedia.

    Also Dietrich I was implying the NWO people are practising the darker faiths, yet they perpetuate atheism to their goyim horde.

  159. maurice on October 21st, 2008 7:47 pm

    Roscoe knows better than me how many Catholic (and Traditional) goups or sites are afraid (or follow some agenda…) to talk about the “Jewish Question” the same way was done before WWII and Vatican 2.

    So keep on the good work but please let’s discuss less about religion. Seems an “Apologetics” site…

    I know Roscoe will say that the religion is the main issue, but I personally believe that now we need a Political Front against the common enemies.

  160. roscoe on October 21st, 2008 7:55 pm

    The reason i say religion is top priority is that unfortunatly it is far to late to do anything about what is happening now in the temporal domains. I am convinced that there is going to be Divine intervention on Dec 21 2012.

  161. Z.O.G. on October 21st, 2008 9:01 pm

    Yeah, in 2012 the Xorgzoshians from planet Zeebmorp are going to come to earth in their flying saucers and save you, roscoe!

    LOL

  162. GEORGE WELLS on October 22nd, 2008 6:32 pm

    2012 – fear based millennial thinking. end of the world christian thinking. Rest assured when prophecy fails, faith is increased. See: WHEN PROPHECY FAILS by Festinger. (leave it to a jew to give us some of the right perception.)

  163. Dietrich on October 22nd, 2008 7:15 pm

    So… means that after reading VOR for a while and forming some “base assumptions”, I have to quit because I’m not being challenged anymore?

    According to the Rules of the Internet, I claim victory, seeing as though you needed to respond twice.

    You either will not or cannot follow what is being written. I’m not the best writer, but the post it is clear enough to where anyone mistaking it is either daft or is doing it on purpose in order to eek out some point–any point–in response (meaning that they otherwise have nothing).

    Try reading it again.

  164. Z.O.G. on October 22nd, 2008 7:26 pm

    GEORGE WELLS : “2012 – fear based millennial thinking. end of the world christian thinking. Rest assured when prophecy fails, faith is increased.”

    Exactly. ;-)

  165. roscoe on October 22nd, 2008 8:05 pm

    If one will read what I have posted on 2012, there has been no mention of either fear or end of the world. This is something you guys are bringing up–learn how to read.

  166. maurice on October 22nd, 2008 8:51 pm

    Ok, you are “better” and “victorious” (you really matter to these things, no?).
    About “base assumption” I was only referring to this quote:
    “dare to know,” and not “come read things with which you already agree, that will not challenge your base assumptions, and will tell you what you want to hear 100% of the time.” – strange, I really come to hear the shows because of years of base assumptions in these issues, and Peter is the only one that comment the news according to those base assumptions. CNN maybe really challenge my “base assumptions” with all the BS there.

    Some “liberty cultist” can comment this quote?
    “But I really believe that only who created this “cult of liberty” which is the same one who have resources to use all this freedom to his own agenda, benefits from it.”

  167. roscoe on October 22nd, 2008 8:52 pm

    I f you want fear and the end of the world just wait a couple weeks until there is a Communist House, Senate and Pres.

  168. K-Sensor on October 22nd, 2008 9:07 pm

    Dietrich “According to the Rules of the Internet, I claim victory, seeing as though you needed to respond twice. ”

    I’d like to see you stand in front of a raging bull in a paddock and say you don’t believe a bull is looking to bowl you over. well that’s what you’re doing regarding Christianity. You wont accept any facts and historical evidence.

    If you disagree then disprove those video’s I sent you. How is Chris White wrong in his debunking of various people stating Jesus never existed?

  169. roscoe on October 22nd, 2008 9:28 pm

    None are so blind as those who refuse to see– the Bible.
    Even Judiacs won’t deny He existed.

  170. Z.O.G. on October 22nd, 2008 10:18 pm

    Hey, roscoe. I heard an internet rumor that the big nosed alien race of money lenders are going to appear over the White House in their yarmulke shaped flying saucers in the year 2012 to put an end to the world, and we will all forever live in peace after that! LOL :-)

  171. Z.O.G. on October 22nd, 2008 10:39 pm

    The name of roscoe’s alien race that is going to save mankind is ineffable in any human language, but I will attempt a translation:

    nklvcz094135689_^$^)_(*D~&&%&*#%^JewYidHebeKike;cm,zvoiuerq10971ajsdf(*%^&^$^&$

  172. Mr. Pagan on October 23rd, 2008 1:23 am

    Peter,

    There are so many things that those you call “the enemy” in type, yet say are “your friends” in speak, agree with you on, that you are completely missing the point. We all agree that the jew is trying to destroy white western civilization. We all do. And yes, the brunt of that attack is at christianity. No doubt about it.

    I’m only coming back here to type this because I don’t think you should stop your show or quit on VOR. I won’t post on here anymore since a debate on core topics will only offend. We’re both passionate about what we believe. As is Dietrich. That is the nature of the business we are in my friend.

    To those Christians that I have offended, I honestly appologize. But you are right Peter, the vast majority of our base are christians, good people like yourself. I for one have greatly enjoyed your show. As I’ve said, you will hear no more words “attacking christians” from me. I’ve tired of debating the undebatable. It would be a real pity to end your show because of our differences. I implore you not to.

    You’ve an excellent show and that should be the focus at this point. We can iron out other details later. We have much bigger fish to fry, like the jew.

    An olive branch….

    - Charles Martel

  173. Z.O.G. on October 23rd, 2008 12:17 pm

    Schaenk isn’t doing his show anymore?

  174. K-Sensor on October 23rd, 2008 6:39 pm

    Not sure Zog. I hope he continues. He maybe upset over comments here or uptake.

    it’s our legacy that we are creators and further humanity, in this Peter should keep up the show. We all need to partake and make his and our own works a success.

    I think Peter should move the show to random released, not scheduled, as I know past broadcasting era, he’s had trouble fulfilling all the spots.

    I’d like to see VoR Also expand into other hosts. There maybe no money in it but, the direction is education, and mainstream-media alternative, and the fun of being a broadcaster. As long as you have a radio voice (which I don’t have) then you should be considering your own show.

  175. Blinky on October 24th, 2008 8:26 am

    There are people out here who listen to peters show and don’t post on the blog. I hope that peter is not going to quit, based on a feeling that his message is not making an impact.

    Peter you are “a voice crying in the wilderness”, keep preparing the way.

  176. Skeeter on November 2nd, 2009 2:55 am

    Hitler, as the Catholic author Georges Bernanos once said, gave “anti-Semitism” a bad name.

    Just as there are actors and British actors, there are “anti-Semites” and Catholic “anti-Semites”. The latter in both cases being an altogether different and superior species.

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