Peter Schaenk: War of Perception (Thu. 9/25)

September 25, 2008

This broadcast is a replay of last Thursday’s show.


70 Responses to “Peter Schaenk: War of Perception (Thu. 9/25)”

  1. Ty Grant on September 25th, 2008 8:09 pm

    For this rebroadcast I would like to thank you for the Interview on monday with E.M.J… , Peter… What a great interview and thanks for the endurance and courage…

  2. Howdy Doody on September 25th, 2008 9:43 pm

    Another repeat show.

  3. Charles Martel on September 25th, 2008 10:00 pm

    Gimme my Peter Shaenk VOR! VOR deserves tons of kudos for their excellent work!

    One thing I have to say Peter. You rail on, as you did with EMJ about how Atheists and Pagans “rail against xtians”. That is wrong. I’ve (as an Asatruar) have made a concerted effort to not do that anymore. Yet you, just today, went on about how paganry was bullshit (you did so quickly in a one-liner). That doesn’t exactly endear me to your side, though I agree with you on well over 95% of what you say. You say not to attack, yet you think it is freely ok to do so, as you _did_, with EMJ this week.

    You talk about unity, yet you pull crap like that. It’s not right Pete. Niether is the Pagans/Atheists attacking the xtians. But you clearly did so this week. So doesn’t that make you a bit of a hypocrite?

  4. Peter Schaenk on September 26th, 2008 3:17 am

    If you can stop with the profanity for five minutes and be specific about my “attack on Pagans” I will be happy to respond to your question / attack on my credibility.

  5. Rob on September 26th, 2008 3:24 am

    I totally agree with Charles Martel. The attacks on paganism and especially the claims that Nietzsche infected himself with syphillis as a means of “sexual liberation” sounds like a completely irrational and unprovable ludicrous claim. I’d like to see some hard evidence of this presented, not just E Michael Jones spouting off. Likewise the attacks on Wagner and his music came off as more because of his links to Nietzche than anything else.
    Peter, quite frankly, when you attack paganism you come off at your weakest because your knowledge of it is obviously quite inadequate. You keep on going on about paganism’s “dionysian” nature, yet the fact is that neither of the Indo-European (“Aryan”) religions were dionysian but were in fact “Apollonian” or “Olympian”. A good overview of these concepts would be in Julius Evola’s “Revolt Against the Modern World.” You might not agree with everything there, but I guarantee you’ll find it a fascinating and educational read. The dionysian lunar feminine traits are actually more pronounced in Christianity than in the solar masculine religiosity of our Indo-European forbearers. The dionysian elements were vestiges of some of the pre-Aryan spiritual streams of ancient Europe before the coming of the Indo-Europeans. Your blind Christian hangup and utterances or insinuations you’ve made in the past that somehow there was a moral vacuum or lack of a moral code in Europe prior to the advent of Christianity is simply unscientific and your own bias. It just goes to show that even when intelligent whites finally open their ideas to the racial issues, breaking the religious taboos are toughest of all. People cling to them with an obstinate fanaticism.

  6. Peter Schaenk on September 26th, 2008 3:47 am

    Yes, indeed you do.

  7. Rob on September 26th, 2008 3:51 am

    >>>Yes, indeed you do.<<<

    Unpersuasive counter-argument.

  8. Peter Schaenk on September 26th, 2008 4:09 am

    It wasn’t an argument. I was agreeing with you.

    Tune in to the next show for the argument.

  9. Yippy on September 26th, 2008 11:03 am

    I am a man with little time for Paganism. People can surely see that the love affair we in the West have with egalitarianism, feminism and environmentalism all have strong Pagan roots.

    Hitler, Himmler and Wagner envisaged a rebirth of the Germanic Pagan warrior. This may have contributed towards its seeming inclination towards violence and brute force. That is one reason why I do not consider Nazism as ideal (the other main reason being that it expands the Socialist State).

    Conservative morality systems it would seem to me are the most reliable way forward. Christianity is one of those systems, though it needn’t be the only option. Paganism is not a conservative morality system.

    Some individuals see the Socialist/Leftist revolution of the past two centuries as a Pagan rebirth and I would agree.

  10. Charles Martel on September 26th, 2008 11:49 am

    Sorry Peter if I was using profanity. I just get pissed off when I hear you say one thing then do another.

  11. Charles Martel on September 26th, 2008 12:00 pm

    >>Conservative morality systems it would seem to me are the most reliable way forward. << blah, blah blah b-blah. I’ve heard this idiotic arguement over and over.

    That could be true if only they’d adhere to the old christian values. That ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN. You need to wake the hell up and look at how your religion has been hijacked. It’s called DISPENSATIONALISM.

    I agree that there is a ton of feminism in paganism. No doubt about it. Fags and Fairies floating about worshiping wiccan crap. It’s nonsense.

    But there are also genuinely good pagan groups out there also. Steve McNallen’s AFA is a good example.

    But there is no freaking way in hell I will ever bow to the jew god YHWH. It just isn’t going to happen.

  12. roscoe on September 26th, 2008 1:57 pm

    Rob –your accusation that ‘dionysian lunar feminine traits are actually more pronounced in Christianity’ is way off base as usual.

    The Christian Gregorian Calendar(which you organise your life around) is based on the cycles of the Sun. It is judaics and moors who utilise the cycles of the Moon for their looney (luny) systems. Even the pre-christian calendar of the Romans was based on Sun cycles.

    Your comment that people ‘cling to religious taboos with obstinate fanaticism’ reminds me of Obomba’s recent comment about white Americans clinging to guns and religion It is you who are the obstinate heretic in your rejection of the Infallible belief system of Western Civilisation–The supernatural nature of Revealed Truth and #6

    There has been a noose incident at Fox University in Oregon and I have been banned from the Oregonian newspaper comment section.

  13. Rob on September 26th, 2008 4:55 pm

    Egalitarianism and feminism have nothing to do with Indo-European paganism which is intrinsically hierarchical. The modern wiccan concoctions are, as Charles Martel stated, modern inventions, and it turns out jews have been seminal in those movements. In fact concepts of egalitarianism and its offshoots could only have taken root within the milieu of a Christian society, christianity simply being an ancient bolshevism. Please don’t forget that ancient christianity started off as a religion of slaves and women.

  14. Rob on September 26th, 2008 5:08 pm

    Roscoe, I wasn’t comparing christianity to islam or judaism but to ancient paganism. As you yourself have verified in your own post, ancient Roman paganism, as well as other Indo-European systems, was based on solar spirituality. But this also implies much more than having a solar-based calendrical system.
    As to “Infallible belief system of Western Civilisation–The supernatural nature of Revealed Truth”, this is the talk of a blind irrational semiticized fanatic. There is nothing infallible about the ravings and scribblings of hysterical semitic cutthroats. I’m a rational man of the west who insists of freedom of inquiry and dissent. Talk of heretics and infallible revealed truths are products of diseased minds afflicted with the pestilence of oriental desert semitic mysticism courtesy of christianity.

  15. roscoe on September 26th, 2008 6:12 pm

    Any allegation that the infallible Constitution of the Holy Roman Church is put out by ‘semetic cutthroats’ is indeed the height of what could be called irrational as well as a few other things.

    See the book by the judaic Kertzer–Popes Against The Jews.

    The Supernatural Revealed Truths in the Constitution have been given to us as an act of grace. We conform to them–not the other wat around.

  16. Z.O.G. on September 27th, 2008 12:47 am

    ‘Charles Martel’ is right. Christianity was subverted and corrupted over 100 years ago by the heretical doctrine of Dispensationalism (popularized in America by the Scofield reference Bible) and its political manifestation, Christian Zionism. The seeds of Christianity’s destruction were planted at that time. We are now seeing the fruits of that.

    Christianity is basically dead in all White Western nations except the United States. But the Christianity practiced in the U.S. is a false Christianity. It is Dispensationalism/Judeo-Christianity/Christian Zionism. And further, the Jewish elite actively encourages the practice of this heretical form of Christianity in the U.S. because it lends support to the Jews’ Zionist Imperial geopolitical agenda in the Middle East and elsewhere.

  17. Yippy on September 27th, 2008 10:58 pm

    Oh please, why do people try to deny the matrifocal, matriarchal basis of Paganism?

    Paganism is Nature worship, aka Mother Earth. Pagans worshiped Gaia or Mother Earth as the central Goddess deity. Pagans did not believe very strongly in “sex roles” and featured female warriors alongside male. Such societies also featured a liberal sexual-morality code, for example abortion would not be a problem, nor would female promiscuity be a big deal.

    Some have argued as well that the pagan use of circles in gatherings and ritual is more egalitarian than say a Church’s typical congregation, or a corporate bordroom. Simply the use of egalitarian form is an indicator.

    Is it any coincidence that both Witchcraft and its root philosophy Paganism experience a rebirth in the 1950s, just as the feminist revolution was kicking into gear. Any coincidence that both continue to grow enormously in the 21st Century as feminism becomes the very basis of Western society? No.

    Pagans argue that the Matriarchal focus of modern Paganism is some sort of perversion. Most unlikely, when all (including historical fact) is considered.

    “Androgyny: The pagan sexual ideal”:

  18. Peter Schaenk on September 28th, 2008 4:15 am

    I would like to point out that Jews are the enemy, not Christianity and yet some of the posters on this thread attack the religion of their ancestors with as much ferocity as if they were “Jews in Gentile clothing”.

    Only Jews hate Christianity this intensely. Not even Hitler himself, hated Christianity as much as these modern day “Pagans / Atheists”.

    The filth I have seen spewed forth in this thread has it’s origins in the Jewsih Talmud / Zohar. Whether you consciously realize this or not is unimportant.

    By attacking Christianity you are working on behalf of the Jew World Order. You are nothing but Shabbaz Goy.

    Religion is supposed to supply humanity with a moral code to live by. Paganism / Atheism, fails misereably to fulfill this function.

    This is not an attack on Paganism / Atheism, it is a fact that can be proved by simply using empirical evidence.

    What is the moral code of someone who worships the “sun god”? What is Apollo’s opinion on abortion, rape, incest, bigamy, murder, usury, bearing false witness, coveting a neighbor’s property, etc,

    Ditto with re to Atheism. Their non-belief in God is all they have to offer.

    And don’t tell me that people are born with the instinct to determine “right from wrong” because that’s a load of cow dung.

    People don’t have the common sense to perpetuate their own species and respect their ancestors legacy. We have lost the basic instincts of survival.

    This is not due to the “compassion” of Christianity but the Jewish “societal herpes” known as secularism.

    Secularism has turned us into a race of people that eat their young. Our women have lost their maternal instinct and murder their children in the womb.

    Stop doing the work of the Jew and start using your common sense.

    Christianity is the only defense against the attack on our ancestors legacy and our traditional moral values.

    When I say Christianity, I mean Christianity, not the American flavor of Dispensationalism.

    Whites conquered the world as Christians.

    Whites are losing their legacy as Pagans / Atheists.

    The more our people turn away from the traditions of their ancestors, the easier it is for the Jew to subjugate the White race and destroy civilization as we know it.

    That is the goal of the Jew.

    As long as WN’s attack Christianity, they make the job of the Jews that much easier.

    Have you also declared war on the religion of your ancestors, just as the Jews have done?

    It’s interesting to note: Jews only attack Christianity. They do not attack Paganism or Atheism.

    I wonder why?

    Stop being a “Jew Tool” and help us defend our civilization from eradication by the JWO.

    Time is short my friends.

  19. Yippy on September 28th, 2008 6:16 am

    “It’s interesting to note: Jews only attack Christianity. They do not attack Paganism or Atheism.

    I wonder why?”

    Very good point, Peter.

  20. maurice on September 28th, 2008 11:20 am

    The policy of Julian had three principal aims: 1. To renew paganism and to again declare it a state religion of the Empire, so that Rome, which according to his view had declined through Christianity, might return to its old glory. 2. To destroy Christianity. 3. To concede to Jewry its old positions, from which it had been expelled by Constantine and his sons; even the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon was to be arranged.
    From the beginning the Jews were his unconditional allies, which once again proves that, when it suits them, they are capable of fighting for paganism and the cult of idols, even indeed against monotheism, whenever this allows them to work for the destruction of the Church, even though they are inwardly monotheists and enemies of the cult of idolatry.

  21. katman on September 28th, 2008 11:21 am

    modern day pagans are a result of the jewish conspiracy to seperate man from God.

    and so we can see this in the following text..

    Protocol 4 Protocols of zion

    Part 3

    3. But even freedom might be harmless and have its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, for they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a wardship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upon earth. This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE “GOYIM” THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.

    PROTOCOL No. 14

    Part 1

    1. When we come into our kingdom it will be undesirable for us that there should exist any other religion than ours of the One God with whom our destiny is bound up by our position as the Chosen People and through whom our same destiny is united with the destinies of the world. We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief. If this gives birth to the atheists whom we see to-day, it will not, being only a transitional stage, interfere with our views, but will serve as a warning for those generations which will hearken to our preaching of the religion of Moses, that, by its stable and thoroughly elaborated system has brought all the peoples of the world into subjection to us.

  22. roscoe on September 28th, 2008 2:11 pm

    Shankus: ever since you have been on Vor it has been like the proverbial pulling teeth to get you to actually say the words Roman Catholic Church. You talk about Icke and shape shifiting with words like reptilllian but you go on and on about christianity and roman christianity and the old Roman order etc. And then try and tell us that Amish and Mennonites are members of the same organisation.

    There is only one branch of the founding structure of Western Civilisation–The Roman Catholic Church that is infallibly defined in Supernatural Constitution of Holy Church. and #6.

    Aside from one remark you have made about the American Church being responsible for the Illegal predicament you have repeatedly sought to confound the v2 schismatical apostate anti-christ, judeo-masonic anti-church with the above true Vatican Conciliar Church of 1870.

    And I can assure you that the current Babylonian cult in possession of the buildings of Vatican City is giving full sanction to the American Communist Church and its illegal policy. I have repeatedly pointed out that the way to solve the Mexican problem is a return to the Real Catholic Church but this has never been brought up by you even one time.

    So if Icke is going to be blamed for shuffling terms, it is kind of like the pot- kettle scenario when you fail to see the v2 cult for what it is and name it specifically–this was one problem I had with EMJones

    There is no salvation outside the Infallible Constitution of the Roman Catholic Church.

  23. roscoe on September 28th, 2008 4:17 pm

    And I would like to point out to this forum that if it wasn’t for the INQ of Holy Church, the current state of affairs that mankind is in would have happened hundreds of yrs ago.

  24. katman on September 28th, 2008 5:14 pm

    I am starting to suffer from Roscoeliosis again….

  25. katman on September 28th, 2008 11:18 pm

    sometimes when you post something around here, it just goes somewhere never to be seen again…..

  26. katman on September 28th, 2008 11:20 pm

    technically speaking you are correct roscoe. but according to jewish law, Jesus was jewish because He was born of a jewish mother, even though the real Father was God Himself in the manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Jesus step father of course was jewish, of the house of david, the house of judah….

  27. Yippy on September 29th, 2008 12:01 am
  28. roscoe on September 29th, 2008 4:35 pm

    For some reason I do not trust katzman when it comes to the discussion of the lineage or kin of Jesus.

  29. katman on September 29th, 2008 7:18 pm

    well whatever roscoe. now that it is Rosh Hashanah, I was wondering if you are going to do the honors down at the temple and blow the shofar , there good buddy?

  30. rob on September 29th, 2008 9:39 pm

    >>>posters on this thread attack the religion of their ancestors with as much ferocity <<>>Religion is supposed to supply humanity with a moral code to live by. Paganism / Atheism, fails misereably to fulfill this function. <<<

    Peter, you need to demonstrate this if you’re going to persuade people it’s true, not just assert it. Claiming it doesn’t make it true. The idea that our ancestors in Europe had no code of morality and that incest and murder were rampant prior to the coming of christianity is spurious. You have heard of Greek and Roman philosophy and metaphysics, haven’t you? Scholasticism during the middle ages was one large attempt to reconcile the fables of the bible with Platonic and Aristotelian philsophy. The Roman historian Tacitus likewise remarked on the strict morality and general wholesomeness of the Germanic tribes as opposed to the Romans at that time who were going through their decadent phase. Your claim is outlandish and baseless and typical christian propaganda. The very fact that you place “paganism/atheism” as synonymous once again belies your confusion on these issues, yet you belittle your own ancestors in favor of a semitic desert creed.

    You also claim that whites conquered the west as Christians, but it was Alexander the Great and his Macedonians and later the Romans who did this as pagans. In fact, it was during the period of the enlightenment during which period you speak of that whites again started colonizing the planet, and the enlightenment was largely a return to an emphasis on hellenic reason as opposed to religious blind faith.

    As for jews not attacking pagans, they might not do this in a high profile way simply because such groups are numerically marginal. Yet make no mistake about it, the ADL and the nizkor project do monitor tribal pagan movements in this country. Do you for a single rational moment believe that, hypothetically, if the entire white population of North America became odinist tribalists and discarded their hangups about jewish prophets and virgin births and middle eastern holy lands and chosen peoples, that the jews wouldn’t freak out?

    I’m sure you make many of the christian religious zealots you’ve attracted here giddy when they read this sort of stuff, but short-changing our ancestors and falsely attributing any greatness they ever achieved to the triumph of a judaic heretical sect is too much. The jews must smile when they read such remarks that any greatness the Aryan ever achieved was attributable solely to the inspiration of a crucified aramaic-speaking Galilean.

    As to your final remarks about secularism being the bane of modern society and us needing to return to christianity, what have you got in mind, full-blown theocracy? Some of us don’t relish getting rid of one group of wild-eyed abrahamic cultists only to replace them with another one.

    Our issue with the jews is race, not religion.

  31. rob on September 29th, 2008 9:40 pm

    >>>posters on this thread attack the religion of their ancestors with as much ferocity <<<

    Peter, Christianity is not the religion of my ancestors. It is a semitic religion that was forced on my ancestors through murder. The conflict between christianity and judaism is nothing but internecine warfare between two insane fanatical abrahamic sects. Nothing more. The fact that you admitted on air that the jews believe in tikkun olam as vehemently as you believe that the crucified rabbi was the one and only son of god says as much.

  32. roscoe on September 30th, 2008 12:01 am

    Where did Shankus say that rape and incest were rampant b4 christianity?

    As to rob’s remark on scholasticism, he is certainly correct in that the qualitative physics of Aristotle–as opposed to the quantitative, atomic materialist physics of Pythagoras, Galileo and Einstone–has been reconciled to christianity by St Thomas. There is not much Plato in the Church as far as I know but I have never read any Plato.

    The origin of christianity comes b4 there were any semites however it may very well have been forced on your ancestors. But it’s not being forced on you now. Forced conversions after the early middle ages were a thing of the past. It was a different age and historians need be careful not to interpret things from a modern perspective.

  33. roscoe on September 30th, 2008 12:42 am

    Rob–are you an athiest?

  34. Z.O.G. on September 30th, 2008 2:43 am


  35. Z.O.G. on September 30th, 2008 3:03 am

    It seems to me that you guys are completely overlooking one simple fact which pretty much renders moot this discussion:


    I’m not saying this is necessarily a good thing or necessarily a bad thing. I’m just making a statement of fact.

  36. roscoe on September 30th, 2008 3:15 am


  37. Peter Schaenk on September 30th, 2008 3:17 am


    I’m sure the majority of people who believe in Jesus as the Messiah would disagree with you.

    I am also sure that the Jews who monitor this website are applauding your post along with Rob’s.

  38. roscoe on September 30th, 2008 3:18 am

    The Church Militant may be near dead but the Church Triumphant cannot be killed.

  39. Peter Schaenk on September 30th, 2008 3:20 am

    How does the Pagan faith your ancestors address usury?



    Bearing false witness?

    What moral code do you find superior to that of Christianity?

  40. Peter Schaenk on September 30th, 2008 3:21 am


    “How does the Pagan faith of your ancestors address…”

  41. katman on September 30th, 2008 5:16 pm

    How does the Pagan faith your ancestors address usury?



    Bearing false witness?

    What moral code do you find superior to that of Christianity?<<<<

    did pagans give us the Ten Commandents? As rules for living , perhaps one the resident pagans who have something against the (as they call it) jewish inspired Christianity, perhaps they can explain to me, how the Ten Commandments as God’s law for man, benefit the jew vs, the gentile? The Ten Commandments are simple and to the point, as they were designed to be. There is no guessing about what is meant. There is no grey areas.

    Is there a advantage of being a jew vs a gentile?
    what Paul had to say about it.

    Romans 3

    the pagan case is dismissed
    lack of evidence, no statement of claim on which relief can be granted…..

  42. Zelea on September 30th, 2008 7:03 pm


  43. Rob on September 30th, 2008 10:02 pm

    How does the Pagan faith your ancestors address usury?



    Bearing false witness?

    What moral code do you find superior to that of Christianity?<<<

    Peter, with a surname like Schaenk, however embarassed you might be by them, they are YOUR ancestors as well.

    Let’s take OUR Germanic ancestors. From

    Usury: “Among the Germani, interest and usury are unknown to them, and thus they eschew the vice more fervently than if it were forbidden.”

    Adultery: “Very rare for so numerous a population is adultery, the punishment for which is prompt, and in the husband’s power. Having cut off the hair of the adulteress and stripped her naked, he expels her from the house in the presence of her kinsfolk, and then flogs her through the whole village. The loss of chastity meets with no indulgence; neither beauty, youth, nor wealth will procure the culprit a husband.

    No one in Germany laughs at vice, nor do they call it the fashion to corrupt and to be corrupted.”

    Abortion: ” To limit the number of children or to destroy any of their subsequent offspring is accounted infamous, and good habits are here more effectual than good laws elsewhere.”

    As to lying or breaking oaths: “A race without either natural or acquired cunning, they disclose their hidden thoughts in the freedom of the festivity.”

    Further, the god Tyr, originally a god of war, ultimately became the god of war and justice. Punishment for breaking an oath was the loss of a hand. The Eddas and the Havamal would be an interesting study for those interested in Germanic spirituality.

    In general, I’d argue that what is good about Christianity is not at all unique to it, but what is peculiar to it is its pernicious elements. We’re all brothers in the eyes of god, we’re equal before the lord, the meek shall inherit the earth, turn the other cheek, love your enemies as thyself.

    Also, in John 4 verse 22 Jesus himself clearly tells the Samaritan woman “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.” Sounds like he gives primacy to his own chosen people.

    In Matthew 15 starting at verse 22 he even compares gentiles not of the house of Israel to dogs:

    “But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

    26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.”

    Also, the idea of original sin, that we are born morally tainted and have to scrape and grovel to the judaic god for him to bestow his grace upon us and save us from ourselves, seems altogether morbid, even a bit unmanly in a masochistic sort of way.

    Further, there is also the subtlety that now the spiritual center of gravity of western man is in the semitic middle east which can’t but have serious psychological implications on our peoples, at the very least on a subconsious level. This shouldn’t be underestimated. The apostles, holy virgin, messiah, prophets-all semites. So why would anybody wonder why we are such easy playthings of the jews? I know the counter argument by racialist christians is always that current christianity is judaeo-xtianity and not authentic, etc. However, considering the provenance of christianity and the milieu within which it arose, it easily lends itself to this type of manipulation. And here we are today. The effects have been crippling and might ultimately prove fatal.

  44. Rob on September 30th, 2008 10:06 pm

    >>>Rob–are you an athiest?<<<

    I believe in a transcendent principle. I reject middle eastern fables and semitic mythologies as authentic. I reject the abrahamic “revealed” relgions and their dogmatism and prophetism.

  45. roscoe on October 1st, 2008 12:53 am

    Rob –your above statement that ‘no one’ in Germany laughs at vice is absurd. Are you telling me there are no satanic cults in Germany?

    The salvation is of the jews refers to the ancient Jewish religion interpreted by the Roman Church as being fulfilled. Western civilisation is based upon that as well as Classical Greek and Roman Civilisation–judaics deny all of this. As far as going to the lost house of Israel first–wouldn’t you go to your closest relatives first?? or race for that matter??

    It is no longer relevant because the lost house of Israel has rejected the offer that was made as an act of Grace– IT HAS BEEN ALL OVER FOR ABOUT 2000 YRS.and the new covenant of God reats with the Catholic Church.

    If you mean by trancendant principle that there is another life above and beyond this one, I can assure you that Roman christianity would agree with that.

    Do you think the creation of the Universe was an accident??

    I am by no means a theologian or Biblical scholar and as such will stand corrected by anyone who may know the Church’s interpretation of the salvation biblical passage to be different from mine–which is certainly poss.

  46. roscoe on October 1st, 2008 1:11 am

    As far as I understand, the first two Dogmatic Articles of Faith of Revealed Relgion are 1– that God( a personal Being) created the Universe and EVERYTHING in it as an act of grace. and 2–there is a fallen nature to mankind and as such we are in need of Redempton. Judaics don’t come along until much later.

  47. roscoe on October 1st, 2008 1:17 am

    Acc to Cath interpretation of old testament, krauts are decended from Japeth.

  48. roscoe on October 3rd, 2008 1:06 am

    Rob–Nazi racial ideology is the same as talmudic, cabalist, judaic racial ideology on the other foot. Both the Nazi judaic (covert) theory and the Communist Judaic(overt) theory attack from whatever quarter the Roman Catholic Church sometimes known as Western civilisation or even the old Roman order or Roman christianity or even the old order.

  49. roscoe on October 3rd, 2008 1:12 am

    Your comment that you have no issue with judaics regards religion is clearly indicative of your mindset.

    Infallible Constitution of Catholic Church and #6

  50. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 2:05 am

    Infallible, my ass. LOL

  51. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 2:11 am

    “roscoe” said it himself. Catholics are opposed to any race based ideology or religion for White Europeans and Western Civilization.

    Keep in mind that Catholics believe that if you sprinkle some holy water on a Jew, suddenly the Jew stops being a Jew!


    This demonstrates the absurdity of the Catholics’ religious approach to the Jewish Question. It’s absolute nonsense, a total joke.

  52. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 2:19 am

    “this demonstrates…” what, your supid lies and baseless attacks?

    We know where you come from ZOGstein :)

    Maybe you deserve a sprinkle of Holy Water, who knows…

  53. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 2:42 am

    supid = stupid (really we need an edit button)

  54. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 3:02 am

    “race based ideology or religion”
    you mean Judaism?

  55. Peter Schaenk on October 3rd, 2008 5:40 am

    {26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.”}

    It is apparent that you have no understanding of Christianity and the teachings of Chirst, by your choice of this story.

    The gist of the story is not that gentiles are on par with dogs; But that man must empty himself of pride and ego and become a vessel for the blessings of Christ. Only faith in Christ can do this and the women showed Jesus that she had faith in him by humbling herself as Jesus had done with God the father in his mortal state.

    Jesus emptied Himself. As a servant, He completely submitted to the Father and poured out Himself unto death. Afterwards, He was exalted. If we, too, will humble ourselves in like manner, God promises that we will be exalted.(Jas. 4:10).

    Here is the passage you posted and the parts that you conveniently left out:

    “Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O LORD, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table. 28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.”
    Matthew 15:21 ff

    The rest of your post I will address on air Friday.

  56. maurice on October 3rd, 2008 5:53 am

    “But that man must empty himself of pride and ego and become a vessel for the blessings of Christ.”

    Yes. You are right. Sorry for my offenses and of being sarcastical against others. This forum should be an example to all, but…

  57. Peter Schaenk on October 3rd, 2008 6:51 am

    We are only human Maurice.

  58. katman on October 3rd, 2008 9:49 am

    The story told in Mathew 15 about the canaanite woman who approached Him about a request and as is told, He ignored her at first. This story has two meanings. First He was testing the woman’s faith. Second, He was teaching His disciples. His disciples were jews and they were basically raised in jewish tradition. Part of that tradition was looking down on other people who were not jews. He was testing them to see what they would do under this situation. They failed of course because they did not show her mercy. She passed the test because she believed and her faith made her request happen for her. This was to show that ‘the chosen’ are not all that chosen. God is no respecter of persons. Whosoever will may come. This lesson taught the disciples that what they were about to do was bigger than themselves and bigger than their race of people. The disciples were to carry out God’s plan, the plan that He wanted the jews implement since the day that He spoke to Abraham when he left Iraq. The story was about faith and the fact that all may come and petition God through Christ Jesus…

  59. roscoe on October 3rd, 2008 12:38 pm

    ZOG is putting words in my mouth. Nowhere have I said that I am opposed to any race based ideology or religion for white Europeans and Western Civilisation.

    Your credibility is shot ZOG–if you ever had any.

  60. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 4:33 pm

    roscoe said, “Rob–Nazi racial ideology is the same as talmudic, cabalist, judaic racial ideology on the other foot.”

    You were saying?

  61. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 4:37 pm

    Hey, I guess all we have to do to solve the Jewish Problem is to soak every Jew in the world with some holy water and make them “convert” to Catholicism, right, guys? Problem solved, huh?

    LOL :-)

  62. roscoe on October 3rd, 2008 5:17 pm

    The problem is when race based ideology is given precedence over religious ideology. I have never said race is not important. Hope this is clear now.

  63. Peter Schaenk on October 3rd, 2008 5:44 pm

    Why don’t we rent an arena and the WN’s Pagans can duke it out with the Christians.

    Hey, I’ll bet there are some Jew promoters who would love this idea for a reality TV show.

    Of course, this is just a repeat of Pagans and Jews betting on coliseum bouts between Christians and Lions.

    Some alliances never die out.

    Wake up! It’s the Jews stupid!!!

  64. roscoe on October 3rd, 2008 6:16 pm

    Martin Luther was the beginning of Nazism. Hitler was a phoney and the Germans were set up. It is a shame how many felt this fool was almost God.

  65. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 7:04 pm

    roscoe, you think that the entire power structure of the Nazi party and the Third Reich was Jewish. LOL

    You expect someone to take you seriously?

  66. Z.O.G. on October 3rd, 2008 7:16 pm

    Well, I don’t think we need to re-enact the European religious wars of the 17th century here on this message board. LOL

    So what do you guys say we call a truce and get back to bashing the true enemies:



  67. katman on October 3rd, 2008 9:06 pm

    Well, I don’t think we need to re-enact the European religious wars of the 17th century here on this message board. LOL

    So what do you guys say we call a truce and get back to bashing the true enemies:


    tell you what ZOG. I am down with that statement. Therefore from this moment forward, we reset to zero all statements pro and con about catholicism…

    now then, mark my words, roscoe and/or his trusty french sidekick, maurice, will without a shadow of doubt, break this truce and i am willing to bet a set of worry beads on it too……:)


  68. katman on October 3rd, 2008 9:08 pm

    Why don’t we rent an arena and the WN’s Pagans can duke it out with the Christians.

    Hey, I’ll bet there are some Jew promoters who would love this idea for a reality TV show.

    Of course, this is just a repeat of Pagans and Jews betting on coliseum bouts between Christians and Lions.

    Some alliances never die out.

    Wake up! It’s the Jews stupid!!!<<<<

    they already did that one time peter. it was called the roman coliseum and that was where the old roman order fed the christians to the lions…..thanks but no thanks…:)

  69. Peter Schaenk on October 4th, 2008 2:10 am

    When Jews refer to the “Old Roman Order”, they are referring to Christianity; Catholicism in particular, not Pagan Rome.


  70. K-Sensor on October 4th, 2008 5:32 am

    Peter the order is also the Goyim-Roman Order, both in the Protestant and Catholic areas. Why I say Goyim is the heads of the Churches are mainly Freemasons. Freemasons =Mystery School. They include Jews, Jesuits, Knight’s Templar.

    The Jews want to destroy the Goyim’s strength.